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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

why remove the RP option for Shepard to be nationalistic?

She is. Obnoxiously so.

Honestly I wish I could RP Shepard as giving no ****s about Earth. She was born there, but that's kind of the thing - Earthborn Shep had basically the worst of her life there (well, unless you picked Sole Survivor later... Ouch.) so what does she care about it being Reaped?

Earth was an overpopulated craphole before the Reapers invaded, so when they're gone it'll be a decently populated craphole. Let's focus on killing the Reapers instead of obsessing about Earth when we can't do anything about it!

Allow me  to rephrase myself.

Yes, all Shepard cares about Earth for some reason,. And that is pretty damn obnoxious. But that tunnel vision regarding Earth is still nowhere close to the viewpoint we were able to express in ME1. If the story, as you claimed, was about the different species trying their best to make sure that their speciest would be the strongest when the smoke clears. Why would Bioware remove those RP options for Shepard that were available in ME1? They would make perfect sense here.

[HellbirdIV]

Lizardviking wrote...

If the story, as you claimed, was about the different species trying their best to make sure that their speciest would be the strongest when the smoke clears. Why would Bioware remove those RP options for Shepard that were available in ME1? They would make perfect sense here.

I didn't say that's what the story was about, but it is part of the story. Overshadowed, unfortunately, by the "WE MUST SAVE EARTH BECAUSE HUMANS ARE SPECIAL"-narrative.

And I think Shepard is basically entrenched in the "hero" position in ME3, so plotting against her allies wouldn't really work.

... But then again, that didn't stop them from adding some of the worst, most psychotic and often flat out evil decisions into ME3 as "Renegade" options.

Honestly, with that in mind, do you really want Shepard to have Renegade Pro-Human dialogue? Because I think, with the Renegade choices in ME3 being what they are, it would sound something like this.

[Mr.House]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

If the story, as you claimed, was about the different species trying their best to make sure that their speciest would be the strongest when the smoke clears. Why would Bioware remove those RP options for Shepard that were available in ME1? They would make perfect sense here.

I didn't say that's what the story was about, but it is part of the story. Overshadowed, unfortunately, by the "WE MUST SAVE EARTH BECAUSE HUMANS ARE SPECIAL"-narrative.

And I think Shepard is basically entrenched in the "hero" position in ME3, so plotting against her allies wouldn't really work.

... But then again, that didn't stop them from adding some of the worst, most psychotic and often flat out evil decisions into ME3 as "Renegade" options.

And what choices are we talking about here?

[Seboist]

ME3 had the most moderate and pragmatic renegade (non)choices.

[dreamgazer]

Mr.House wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

If the story, as you claimed, was about the different species trying their best to make sure that their speciest would be the strongest when the smoke clears. Why would Bioware remove those RP options for Shepard that were available in ME1? They would make perfect sense here.

I didn't say that's what the story was about, but it is part of the story. Overshadowed, unfortunately, by the "WE MUST SAVE EARTH BECAUSE HUMANS ARE SPECIAL"-narrative.

And I think Shepard is basically entrenched in the "hero" position in ME3, so plotting against her allies wouldn't really work.

... But then again, that didn't stop them from adding some of the worst, most psychotic and often flat out evil decisions into ME3 as "Renegade" options.

And what choices are we talking about here?

Curious about this myself.

[Mr.House]

Seboist wrote...

ME3 had the most moderate and pragmatic renegade (non)choices.

But we can't push peopel out windows in ME3 and act liek a wannabe badass

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Wow... Lots of discussion during sleepytime...

This thread doesn't need me to plow it forward.

[Display Name Owner]

Yeah, general consensus seems to be otherwise, but I thought ME3's renegade was the least dickish one. ME1's was a total bastard and they got more reasonable over time.

[Mr.House]

isnudo wrote...

Yeah, general consensus seems to be otherwise, but I thought ME3's renegade was the least dickish one. ME1's was a total bastard and they got more reasonable over time.

Most likely because unlike ME2 which was all about BE A BADASS with juvanile one liners and childish actions, the stuff in ME3 was not.

[Display Name Owner]

But anyway, on the topic of Cerberus, I actually think they could have worked really well in their own game or two. In a post-Reaper galaxy, for example, that would be the time to start thinking more about Humanity's role as the rebuilt galaxy begins to take shape. As it is, they just take too much time from everything else the trilogy was supposed to be about, to the point that I don't care how well they could work in their own games, I just want them gone and forgotten. They're like the go-to whenever any story of any kind needs to be told, which is kind of silly when there are so many other factions that could be explored, and I'm just about sick of them tbh.

[jtav]

The only ME3 Renegade option that struck me as cruel was Falere. Everything else struck me as sensible, if not exactly friendly.

[Display Name Owner]

Mr.House wrote...

isnudo wrote...

Yeah, general consensus seems to be otherwise, but I thought ME3's renegade was the least dickish one. ME1's was a total bastard and they got more reasonable over time.

Most likely because unlike ME2 which was all about BE A BADASS with juvanile one liners and childish actions, the stuff in ME3 was not.

Indeed. ME1's Renegade was just a generally unpleasant person a lot of the time. Still, I'm not sure which one I liked the most. I guess I preferred Renegade 3's attitude, but in 3 you completely lost control of Shep's motivations. 1 was better in that sense.

[HellbirdIV]

ME1 Renegade was just a jackass, but ME3 Renegade betrays and murders people in cold blood with alarming frequency, IE more than once.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

ME1 Renegade was just a jackass, but ME3 Renegade betrays and murders people in cold blood with alarming frequency, IE more than once.

I don't agree with ME3's Renegade attitude for the most part, but his actions are quite practical in many situations.

The problem is that they are typically less than optimal in their outcomes. I'm basing my decisions on what I think we can achieve the best outcome that works for the most amount of people.

[rekn2]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

ME1 Renegade was just a jackass, but ME3 Renegade betrays and murders people in cold blood with alarming frequency, IE more than once.

I don't agree with ME3's Renegade attitude for the most part, but his actions are quite practical in many situations.

The problem is that they are typically less than optimal in their outcomes. I'm basing my decisions on what I think we can achieve the best outcome that works for the most amount of people.

youre 1 of the only people on this thread not speaking from a position of priviledge.

the majority continue to argue from an " i told you so" standpoint or "after the fact".

its like saying " i know that paragon will get me the best ending with the majoirty of my squadmates alive because thats how the ending was when i first played it a year ago".

massively is saying "im taking matters in the practical approach because thats how it works in real life. what? thats now how im supose to play? the writers are playing politics with some assinine message about globalization?"

thats exactly how it is. me3 is entirely 1 sided and the writers punish you for not seeing their world view or thinking like they do.

[rekn2]

Fixers0 wrote...

Mass Effect 3's storytelling in general plays favorites, heavily favouring certain scenerio and outright invalidating the ones it doesn't like. the narratives themself are generally portrayed in a very biased manner. the primary cause of this being the Writers and narrative designers that have a very limited peception on the story. There used to be a time were writers such as Chris L'Etoile and Drew karphysn and cinematic designers such as Armando Troisi at least managed to keep narrative objective, but with them all gone in Mass Effect 3, the more reckless parts of the design team took over and created a narrative that abbadons almost all narrative qualities of the previous games. Also known as the "agreement".

THIS!

[OldSwede]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Wow... Lots of discussion during sleepytime...

This thread doesn't need me to plow it forward.

:lol:

Anyway, since I've been away myself, I did reply to you on page 27
(even though that was from page 12 to begin with - hahaha)
http://social.biowar...399/27#17127177