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[David7204]

I don't see that. Certainly not in Mass Effect.

[Xplode441]

o Ventus wrote...



Go to 34:35. Straight from Tali's mouth:

"The geth are being controlled by the Reaper signal."

Straight from your mouth:
"force the geth to work with them again." They never once forced the geth to work with them, this is a fact.
Secondly, with Legion's superior processing power due to him being super-geth he was not affected by the reaper code like the other geth, he spreads this to the other geth.  Really, there's no other real explanation than that.  But the Geth aren't going to go back to the reapers, and they never were forced to work with them in the first place.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

I don't see that. Certainly not in Mass Effect.

(I'd post the Bender laugh, but apparently that is a violation of rules.)

What characters in the series are more than a walking viewpoint?  ME is hardly fine writing.

Modifié par Steelcan, 09 août 2013 - 08:09 .

[o Ventus]

Steelcan wrote...

1. Again, more time might have enabled Control as envisioned by TIM to be a reality.

As reinforced by...?

2. I did, he says "And for once we are inclined to believe them" That implies that he has a reason to believe that Cerberus is not responsible.

Yes, I'm sure that lone incident is such a stark contrast to literally every single other occasion that Hackett is set-in-his-tracks that Cerberus wasn't "legitimately" involved. 

Assuming you're correct, what was the purpose of that mission then?

[wolfhowwl]

[Inappropriate post removed.]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 09 août 2013 - 08:53 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

That is moronic, Steelcan. Moronic.

Is that why the romance forum is full of thousands of pages of posters gushing over characters? Because they love 'viewpoints'?

Characters exist to provide context and viewpoints on the central plot and themes of a story.  That is their sole function in a story.  Romances build off of that foundation.  And certain romances draw certain crowds.  How many vehement anti-quarian players romanced Tali do you think?

[o Ventus]

Xplode441 wrote...

Straight from your mouth:
"force the geth to work with them again." They never once forced the geth to work with them, this is a fact.
Secondly, with Legion's superior processing power due to him being super-geth he was not affected by the reaper code like the other geth, he spreads this to the other geth.  Really, there's no other real explanation than that.  But the Geth aren't going to go back to the reapers, and they never were forced to work with them in the first place.

The geth might have consented to joining with them, but further dialogue indicates that the Reapers took control afterwards, as I pointed out in the video. Whether or not they joined up willingly is irrelevant, they're under control now. "Now" meaning at the time of the Rannoch arc.

If the geth are "being controlled by the Reaper signal" (as per Tali), how are they not being forced into action? If they're shooting at Shepard of their own volition (which they would have no reason to do otherwise even if they side with the Reapers; Shepard isn't a quarian), then they aren't being controlled. Except they're explicitly referred to as being under Reaper control.

[Xplode441]

o Ventus wrote...

The geth might have consented to joining with them, but further dialogue indicates that the Reapers took control afterwards, as I pointed out in the video. Whether or not they joined up willingly is irrelevant, they're under control now. "Now" meaning at the time of the Rannoch arc.

If the geth are "being controlled by the Reaper signal" (as per Tali), how are they not being forced into action? If they're shooting at Shepard of their own volition (which they would have no reason to do otherwise even if they side with the Reapers; Shepard isn't a quarian), then they aren't being controlled. Except they're explicitly referred to as being under Reaper control.

I never contested that they were under reaper control. You said they were forced to work under the reapers, which they weren't.  You're now changing the goalposts of what you meant.

[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

That is moronic, Steelcan. Moronic.

Is that why the romance forum is full of thousands of pages of posters gushing over characters? Because they love 'viewpoints'?

Ah, the romance subforum. The Mos Eisley of the BSN.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan, are you utterly retarded?

Did you even read your previous post? Is your brain capable of processing information and the English language? Can you process basic logic?

Steelcan wrote...
What characters in the series are more than a walking viewpoint?  ME is hardly fine writing.

Steelcan wrote...
Characters exist to provide context
and viewpoints on the central plot and themes of a story.  That is their
sole function in a story. 

Just beacuse you can call me "utterly retarded" does not make your argument more credible.  You have yet to back up your argument with anything more substantive than personal attacks and dismissive evasions.

And everyone here can see just how bad you are at arguing this point.

(And reported for personal attacks)

[o Ventus]

Xplode441 wrote...

I never contested that they were under reaper control. You said they were forced to work under the reapers, which they weren't.  You're now changing the goalposts of what you meant.

And I never contested that the geth didn't willingly join on with the Reapers. If it appears that way, then you misunderstood my post.

If the Reapers are controlling the geth, then they are, by definition, forcing the geth to work under them. Legion doesn't ever bother to try and explain how the geth prevent the Reapers controlling them in the future.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
What characters in the series are more than a walking viewpoint?  ME is hardly fine writing.

Steelcan wrote...
Characters exist to provide context and viewpoints on the central plot and themes of a story.  That is their
sole function in a story. 

Do you grasp the problem behind insulting Mass Effect on the basis of it's characters being supposedly nothing more than 'walking viewpoints' and then in the immediate next post, claim that the 'sole function' of characters is to provide viewpoints?

Fine add in an addendum, *characters in ME only exist to spout a viewpoint*

Modifié par BioWareMod04, 09 août 2013 - 09:28 .

[David7204]

Do you grasp the problem behind insulting Mass Effect on the basis of it's characters being supposedly nothing more than 'walking viewpoints' and then in the immediate next post, claim that the 'sole function' of characters is to provide viewpoints?

[Cobalt2113]

Was cerberus vindicated?

Occasionally... when I used the vindicator.

Modifié par Cobalt2113, 09 août 2013 - 08:30 .

[Xplode441]

o Ventus wrote...

And I never contested that the geth didn't willingly join on with the Reapers. If it appears that way, then you misunderstood my post.

If the Reapers are controlling the geth, then they are, by definition, forcing the geth to work under them. Legion doesn't ever bother to try and explain how the geth prevent the Reapers controlling them in the future.

The geth willingly chose to submit to the reapers in order to defend themselves against the Quarians. They're not being forced to do anything they didn't actually want to do, they were just acting on self-preservation.  So no, they're not forcing the geth to work with them, the geth willingly chose to do it to meet their own means. 
Would the reapers have controlled them further and used them as fodder against the humans on Earth? Don't really know, it's not exactly implied one way or the other in the story.

I've already given you the pretty much only real reason the reapers wouldn't controll them in the future, and that's because they're all pretty much Legion-tier now.  They're on EDI's level of processing power, maybe scores ahead.  EDI is reaper tech, but she's not getting controlled by the reapers.

[David7204]

Enough of this very silly nonsense.

First of all, Mass Effect has some of the finest characters of any fiction in existence, and you'd be very deluded to argue otherwise. Particularly since I've personally seen about half the people on this page argue very passionatly in support of one character in other.

Secondly, some of the standards being applied to characters are incredibly ridiculous and contradictory. The sheer hypocrisy and foolishness pf Steelcan's recent post and his clumsy attempt to retroactively change his stance should be very indicative of that. Characters are not walking viewpoints, particularly the ones in Mass Effect. EDI does not exist for the sole purpose of making the player 'feel bad' for choosing Destroy, not to epouse synthetics.

Modifié par David7204, 09 août 2013 - 08:34 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Enough of this very silly nonsense.

First of all, Mass Effect has some of the finest characters of any fiction in existence, and you'd be very deluded to argue otherwise. Particularly since I've personally seen about half the people on this page argue very passionatly in support of one character in other.

Secondly, some of the standards being applied to characters are incredibly ridiculous, contradictory, and silly. Characters are not walking viewpoints, particularly the ones in Mass Effect.

You seriously need to play more games and read more books if you think ME is such a high quality of writing.

And furthermore, where have I stated that attachment to characters is impossible?  Or wrong? 

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

 EDI does not exist for the sole purpose of making the player 'feel bad' for choosing Destroy, not to epouse synthetics.

Then what purpose does she serve?

[wolfhowwl]

David7204 wrote...
First of all, Mass Effect has some of the finest characters of any fiction in existence, and you'd be very deluded to argue otherwise.

Now that is very silly.

Even high school literature classes should have exposed you to characters that are far superior to anything in a videogame.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 09 août 2013 - 08:38 .

[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

Enough of this very silly nonsense.

First of all, Mass Effect has some of the finest characters of any fiction in existence, and you'd be very deluded to argue otherwise. Particularly since I've personally seen about half the people on this page argue very passionatly in support of one character in other.

Secondly, some of the standards being applied to characters are incredibly ridiculous and contradictory. The sheer hypocrisy and foolishness pf Steelcan's recent post and his clumsy attempt to retroactively change his stance should be very indicative of that. Characters are not walking viewpoints, particularly the ones in Mass Effect. EDI does not exist for the sole purpose of making the player 'feel bad' for choosing Destroy, not to epouse synthetics.

Nonsense? THIS IS BSN!