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[Han Shot First]

Assuming the next game is a sequel, should the Alliance emerge as the dominant power? Or do you prefer that other factions like the Turians, Asari, and Salarians, remain more powerful?

Personally I prefer to have humanity not be the top dog in the galaxy, as it help sets the Mass Effect universe apart from many other Sci Fi series, like Star Trek and Star Wars. I also enjoyed the vibe in Mass Effect 1 where  Alliance/humanity kind of felt like the underdog, fighting for a larger role in galactic affairs. That, and I'm not really a fan of Sci Fi telling me that 'humanity is special.' I'm not in it for the ego stroke.

If it were up to me I'd have the Alliance surpassing the Salarians in power, but still a bit behind the Turians and the Asari.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 09 août 2013 - 09:22 .

[Bleachrude]

Don't forget a post reaper galaxy potentially could be way more interesting politically...

Assuming you did a perfect run through, while the asari and the turians got hit hard, there would be a resurgent krogan, a possible geth-quarian alliance on rannoch AND a reborn rachni.


There's a very good chance that neither the asari or turians would be top dogs ANYWAY.

[AlanC9]

If anything, wouldn't it be the salarians? Their economy hasn't been all that badly damaged compared to the other races'.

[Han Shot First]

The Krogan and Rachni would be unlikely to be major factions, unless the game is set very far in the future. Neither had a fleet at the end of ME3.

I could see the Geth/Quarians as a major faction in the immediate aftermath however, assuming the Geth were neither destroyed on Rannoch or in the Destroy ending. Otherwise I think the Quarians are in a similar situation as the Krogan and Rachni, in probably needing several centuries before they could be able to rival etiher the Asari, Turians, and Humans politically, economically, and militarily.

AlanC9 wrote...

If anything, wouldn't it be the salarians? Their economy hasn't been all that badly damaged compared to the other races'.

That is good point.

They would have suffered the least of amount of casualties, and while it is possible a couple of their colony worlds may have gotten hit, it seems that compared to the Asari, Turians, and Humans at least, they got off very lightly. Sur'Kesh is entirely intact.

On the other hand the Dalatrass having potentially held back forces might diminish their political capital. I think in order to redeem themselves the Salarians would have enact something like the Marshall Plan, and fund the reconstruction of much of the rest of the galaxy.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 09 août 2013 - 09:43 .

[Cornughon]

I'm quite curious of the political state of the universe if it were to be a post ME-game. Like the above poster says: Turians and Asari got hit hard so they might not be (two of) the dominant species of the galaxy anymore.
Since the Mass Relays might or might not have (all) been repaired/rebuild, space exploration would probably no longer be along the paths of the Relays, and more using conventional space travel. New intelligent lifeforms may have been discovered as well.

But to answer the OP's simple question: I wouldn't mind if humanity isn't dominant.

[Jukaga]

Ascendant, but not dominant. Not yet.

[Enhanced]

No. Alliance should be 2nd to Krogan.

[Barquiel]

Earth had the highest reapers presence...and it was the first Council world hit. Sur'Kesh is under siege after Cerberus HQ, and the other homeworlds (Thessia, Irune, etc.) also spend a lot less time occupied than Earth. I think it wouldn't make much sense if humanity suddenly comes out on top. The salarians are probably the most powerful in "destroy" (they are remarkably absent in the epilogue though...we only see Asari, Turians and Humans working together), followed by Asari and Turians.

After the Control ending people will do what the Shepalyst allows/tells them to do. Synthesis...no idea.

Modifié par Barquiel, 09 août 2013 - 10:15 .

[P. Domi]

Like other people posted, their strategical and political importance probably tripled after the Reaper war.

Following the logic expressed in the codex, the turians were, in part, granted a Council seat because their military power was necessary to exercise Council authority and protect their interests in the Traverse. This doesn't mean they were not very advanced, they were, but the Asari and the Salarians also looked at their military prowess as a very important factor for their acceptance into this role (this is taken from the ME codex, not a personal interpretation).

Given the state in which the galaxy is at the end of the Reaper war / Shepard storyline, humanity has spearheaded a conflict against a threat just like the turians had done back in the day when the Council was at war. Since Humanity is already a Council species, I'd say the fleet limitations that used to exist would be altered proportionately to the importance humans had in the war (they'd be allowed to have as many dreadnoughts as the turians, for instance). Also, I think fewer aliens would regard humans simply as 'quickly-promoted upstarts', since they shed as much 'blood' as any other Council species during the war (not talking about statistics in this assertion, understand it as losing the homeworld and having massive amounts of military and civilian casualties).

One idea I thought of right when I finished ME 3 is that Council security would no longer be at the hands of species governments, that the Council species would agree to form a multicultural navy and military (think of the NATO, but with even more coordinated and mixed branches), rather than having separate armed forces collaborating (or not) in a time of crisis.

It's just an idea, but it would prevent instances where, for example, a Dalatrass would hold the majority of the salarian fleets close to home rather than joining a multilateral force to build the Crucible and plan the counter-offensive against the Reapers. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Admiral Hackett, a human, or Garrus Vakarian's father would be among the first ones to back this initiative.

I wouldn't be surprised if the turians and humans collaborated in building more "Stealth Recon" (SR) ships due to the importance of the Normandy incursions and extractions during the war, and giving them the names of important figures who died fighting the Reapers.

Modifié par pablodomi, 09 août 2013 - 10:16 .

[LiL Reapur]

Salarians would be the top dogs in power because of how little they suffered compared to the rest of the galaxy also the krogan will most likely return as a political force in the galaxy as well and the quarians and geth are at peace (for now) so they may also integrate into the political scene also. so basically most of the races that had no political standing before the war will be running the galaxy and the Turians, Asari, and Humans will have to recover and work their way back to the tippy top again.

[Argolas]

Yes. I find that an interesting scenario. Humans oppressing the alien races- I would like that. That would even make it possible to make the main villains humans- and justified for once (unlike the Cerberus empire).

[Steelcan]

No, they are incompetent

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Hell no.

Galactic Republic is what we need.

[LiL Reapur]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Hell no.

Galactic Republic is what we need.

I'm tellin'

[Han Shot First]

Barquiel wrote...

Earth had the highest reapers presence...and it was the first Council world hit. Sur'Kesh is under siege after Cerberus HQ, and the other homeworlds (Thessia, Irune, etc.) also spend a lot less time occupied than Earth. I think it wouldn't make much sense if humanity suddenly comes out on top. The salarians are probably the most powerful in "destroy" (they are remarkably absent in the epilogue though...we only see Asari, Turians and Humans working together), followed by Asari and Turians.

After the Control ending people will do what the Shepalyst allows/tells them to do. Synthesis...no idea.

Earth is the first Council world hit, but I do wonder whether or not more damage may have been done to the Turians. Ironically Earth may have benefitted in organized military resistance having collapsed not long after the Reapers invaded, with the resistance being at a lower intensity than on Palaven. On Palaven the Reapers were never quite able to break organized military resistance, to the point that the Reapers had to resort to more wide spread bombardment of cities than they did with Earth. Also with the Turians (and later, Krogan) engaged in prolonged, pitched battles with Reaper forces on Palaven, there was probably more widespread collateral damage than there was on Earth. All of Palaven was kind of looking like Stalingrad.

On the other hand, the Turians have been a space fairing species for much longer than humanity and are much more dispersed throughout the galaxy, whereas the bulk of humanity still resided on Earth. Despite the greater death and devastation on Palaven, perhaps the Turians were able to absbord much higher casualties than humanity and Palaven was less crucial to the Turian economy.

pablodomi wrote...

Like other people posted, their strategical and political importance probably tripled after the Reaper war.

Following the logic expressed in the codex, the turians were, in part, granted a Council seat because their military power was necessary to exercise Council authority and protect their interests in the Traverse. This doesn't mean they were not very advanced, they were, but the Asari and the Salarians also looked at their military prowess as a very important factor for their acceptance into this role (this is taken from the ME codex, not a personal interpretation).

Given the state in which the galaxy is at the end of the Reaper war / Shepard storyline, humanity has spearheaded a conflict against a threat just like the turians had done back in the day when the Council was at war. Since Humanity is already a Council species, I'd say the fleet limitations that used to exist would be altered proportionately to the importance humans had in the war (they'd be allowed to have as many dreadnoughts as the turians, for instance). Also, I think fewer aliens would regard humans simply as 'quickly-promoted upstarts', since they shed as much 'blood' as any other Council species during the war (not talking about statistics in this assertion, understand it as losing the homeworld and having massive amounts of military and civilian casualties).

I think this is a good point.

While prior to ME3 humanity was the upstart that didn't participate in many of the most historically important events of the Mass Effect galaxy (Discovery of the Citadel. Founding of the Council, the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions), following ME3 it had just been on the front lines by far the most destructive conflict in the history of that galaxy. The Alliance had been at the forefront of a fight against an enemy far more dangerous than any previous foes, and likely suffered more casualties in the war than any other Council factopm, with the possible exception of the Turians. A former human Councilor/Admiral had sacrificed himself in its defense, a human Spectre had been responsible for the defeat of the Reapers, and the Crucible began as an Alliance project, with the combined fleets (in perhaps a symbolic move) commanded by a human Admiral.

All of that is likely to have generated a massive amount of goodwill, and erased any notion of humanity as being a bunch of undeserving upstarts.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Actually the Asari Republics would still be dominant. Nevos surrendered rather than suffer bombardment. The codex and the game show no population loss or (pre-invasion) population. Once the reapers decided to no longer tangle with the Asari fleets and land. It was pretty much over. Not much Commandos can do against 2 km tall ships. The fighting was intense only on Thessia. Many of their worlds still had their infrastructure intact, and they didn't fall until late.

In a destroy ending. They'd be able to get the relays repaired and commerce re-established in their systems the quickest.

[Astartes Marine]

While I would treasure the thought of humanity leading the galaxy into a bright future, the amount of xeno-lovers (especially of the squid-heads) that make up BioWare's fanbase would prevent it from even getting to the concept stage.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Actually the Asari Republics would still be dominant. 

I find that to be a rather distasteful idea.  Were it made true, ME4 would never find it's way into my game library.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 10 août 2013 - 02:46 .

[Bleachrude]

*LOL*

Astartes, ME is weirdly one of the only space opera franchises where humanity isn't dominant...expand your horizon a little since there is so many other "typical" humans dominant settings...

Only other one I think that comes to mind is Farscape...but even there, technically peacekeepers ARE humans and the PK are considered 2nd strongest faction after the scarrans....

Babylon 5 at the beginning...by the time the elder races leave, only the minbari are stronger though....

[Dubozz]

Humanity is the center of the universe? No thanks, enough of this in me3.

[Sumthing]

Han Shot First wrote...

The Krogan and Rachni would be unlikely to be major factions, unless the game is set very far in the future. Neither had a fleet at the end of ME3.

I could see the Geth/Quarians as a major faction in the immediate aftermath however, assuming the Geth were neither destroyed on Rannoch or in the Destroy ending. Otherwise I think the Quarians are in a similar situation as the Krogan and Rachni, in probably needing several centuries before they could be able to rival etiher the Asari, Turians, and Humans politically, economically, and militarily.

AlanC9 wrote...

If anything, wouldn't it be the salarians? Their economy hasn't been all that badly damaged compared to the other races'.

That is good point.

They would have suffered the least of amount of casualties, and while it is possible a couple of their colony worlds may have gotten hit, it seems that compared to the Asari, Turians, and Humans at least, they got off very lightly. Sur'Kesh is entirely intact.

On the other hand the Dalatrass having potentially held back forces might diminish their political capital. I think in order to redeem themselves the Salarians would have enact something like the Marshall Plan, and fund the reconstruction of much of the rest of the galaxy.

The Krogan won't take long to militarily rival the other races if the Genophage was cured.

[Karlone123]

It would be funny and interesting to see the Alliance turn into Cerberus a bit (idea-wise).

[Fixers0]

What I'd find weird though, is that the loss of eight cruisers causes at least Alliance three fleets to loss one-third of their firepower, yet this is higly at odds with the numbers of Alliance ships shown during the space battles.

[Astartes Marine]

Bleachrude wrote...
expand your horizon a little

Don't presume to know anything of my "horizons".  I've seen plenty of sci-fis where humanity is the underdog or similar position, many of which I have personally found dull and uninteresting.  Many of these I notice are more recent like the new BSG which just happens to be on my list of dull and uninteresting.

Personally I see nothing wrong with wanting one's own species to achieve greatness and to see it in a series that they enjoy most of the time.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 10 août 2013 - 12:27 .

[KaiserShep]

The ME trilogy already established humanity as an unwanted upstart. It'd be kind of disappointing to keep that going even after the war. I would say that with the Turians and Asari taking such big hits, there'd be a definite shift in power. The Salarian homeworld may not have taken much of a beating, but their fleets and STG forces sure did.

[KaiserShep]

Astartes Marine wrote...

While I would treasure the thought of humanity leading the galaxy into a bright future, the amount of xeno-lovers (especially of the squid-heads) that make up BioWare's fanbase would prevent it from even getting to the concept stage.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Actually the Asari Republics would still be dominant. 

I find that to be a rather distasteful idea.  Were it made true, ME4 would never find it's way into my game library.

It's safest to assume that even if the power does shift in humanity's favor, it will likely be shared among the other dominant species similarly to the pre-reaper invasion setting. Given the theme of diversity and all that, this is likely not going to change.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 août 2013 - 12:48 .