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If Bioware decides to role with a sequel to the original trilogy making high ems destroy canon would be the best route to take WITHOUT bringing Shepard back until possibly the last game of the new trilogy. Spending an entire series attempting to discover what happened to The Great Commander would be pretty awesome without bringing him back as a main character.

What I am thinking is that with high ems destroy becoming canon our Shepard somehow survived The Reaper War at the end but has gone missing, possibly captured by the new stories' main foe and it is up to members of his old crew and allies of the past to find him and rescue him. With this type of story Bioware could create a new story centered around the concept of Dark Energy. How Dark Energy would play a role in this type of story is anyone's guess but if done creatively it could bring the series back in a interesting way and present a new threat to Shepard's team and allies.

I know picking one canon ending would be risky fanbase wise but I feel as though at the end of the day fans of the series would welcome this type of story regardless rather than taking a chance on a prequel, etc.

We could pick a new main character with more options like race, etc. or use either Ashley or Kaidan as the series' new protagonist based on who survived the original Trilogy's events, also, this story would allow Bioware to bring back members of Shepard's ME1,2, and 3 cast as FULL TIME squaddies not just Tali and Garrus ugh!!!

So what do you guys think? Would you welcome this type of storyline as a sequel if it meant more time with our favorite characters of the series without bringing Shepard back as the main guy/girl?, its kinda a no brainer at this point honestly.

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I'm really hoping that they cut their ties with Shepard and the squad. Their characters don't really have anywhere to go; their story is done. It would be incredibly difficult to add anything to them without it coming across as tacked-on or contrived.

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Not to be rude but Shepard is dead, I accept that and his/her story is done, the reapers are done. Now we need a new face and character for the next game, with nothing to do with Shepard. Period

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Far too many variables to be considered worthwhile or even plausible, really. A new main character arbitrary fit into the protagonist role of a vacant Shepard, yet rallies together her crew is going to come across as extremely contrived. Ashley and Kaidan have a somewhat diversifying opinion amongst the fanbase and most fancy being their own character - a concept BioWare is well known for. Never mind one or both can be dead by the midway point of ME3 and it is nearly impossible for them to hold a plot integral role. Additionally, Dudeshep and Femshep have near identical dialogue, something pre-set characters cannot allow. Therefore, necessitating an entire script for a protagonist who will never see life.

In regards to Shepard, she is a living legend. A story of her kidnapping is beginning on shaky foundation already and runs a severe risk of either trivialising Shepard as a hero or the Reapers as a villain. How can the hero of the galaxy be kidnapped so easily? If it were so simple, how could the Reapers fail? While not a improbable possibility, these are questions you must tread carefully around. One false turn and you can trivialise your entire series. In most cases, the risk itself is far too daunting to make it worthwhile.

Lastly, canonising Destroy eliminates the Geth. I find it difficult to believe BioWare would emphasise the importance of a organic/synthetic conflict only to tell a subsequent story where the latter is dead and gone. I suppose that would answer the lingering question of how big an impact Retake had though.

Overall, while I certainly will miss Shepard, Garrus, Mordin, and the whole crew. There is nothing left to tell. After a 100+ hours, the writers have exhausted everything out of this cast. Let us watch them go out with a bang, not whimper as they wither from overuse.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 10 août 2013 - 02:25 .


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Sequel based on Destroy is the worst way to go, because in this case MEU will gain nothing new, and all interesting things about current MEU was already told.

I see only three possible ways to expand MEU that look interesting enough:
- Sequel based on inevitable Synthesis. The most exotic game's atmosphere.
- Prequel about previous Cycle. Also very exotic game's atmosphere.
- Expanding ME3 story by series of non-RPG games. Some survival games like TLoU would be awesome.

Anything else would be very boring (most likely).



P.S. And stop calling new ME game "ME4", please. There will be no "ME4".

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 because in this case MEU will gain nothing new,


No reapers, and some possible, new political powers take center stage.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 10 août 2013 - 05:36 .


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Seival wrote...

Sequel based on Destroy is the worst way to go, because in this case MEU will gain nothing new, and all interesting things about current MEU was already told.

I see only three possible ways to expand MEU that look interesting enough:
- Sequel based on inevitable Synthesis. The most exotic game's atmosphere.
- Prequel about previous Cycle. Also very exotic game's atmosphere.
- Expanding ME3 story by series of non-RPG games. Some survival games like TLoU would be awesome.

Anything else would be very boring (most likely).



P.S. And stop calling new ME game "ME4", please. There will be no "ME4".



 I do not see how you state the end of the reapers wouldnt create the most exciting MEU game after it. In destroy aria gets the omega with the current most powerful defences and weaponry not to mention full access to the omega 4 relay. You have either the expansion of the krogan empire in peace with the council or at war with the council in revenge for betraying them.

 You have the expansion of the geth or quarians, maybe even both and how they will fit into the new MEU. You also have all of the governments and homeworlds impacted by massive damage and loses, that in and upon itself creates vacumns of power for new seats of government and interacial relations.

 You also have the fact that the races for the 1st time will actualy be examining and working out exactly how the mass relays work, that means they can unlock the full potential of the citidel aswell as the smaller mass relays, that could mean new mass relays or exploration into other galaxys outside of the milky way.

 Thats way better then synthesis and control which are both Reaper tactics to stop them from being beaten.

Modifié par shingara, 10 août 2013 - 05:49 .


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I'm done with the old characters. Citadel seals it. Time for all new, past or future, I don't care.

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ShepnTali wrote...

I'm done with the old characters. Citadel seals it. Time for all new, past or future, I don't care.


Seals it just for people who are big fans of those characters.

The rest of us got the equivalent of commercial length skits. And this whole "the best" ending is made all the more empty when your LI walks in the other direction as you get back on the Normandy with the rest (that is, if they didn't already get killed by Kai Leng or cheated on you). That's not the "best". It just reinforces the idea that my Shep died alone and confused and wanting more out of life.

edit: Then again, he went out like a lot of real soldiers. In pain and crying for his mom or girlfriend. Not the big goddamn hero the rest of you are. :pinched:

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Seivel, High EMS Destroy keeps the universe intact and avoids any issues with dealing with the Reapers.

No Shepard, no squadmates, no NPCs hold over. Totally new universe. This time without the trainwreck the Reapers are.

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StreetMagic wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I'm done with the old characters. Citadel seals it. Time for all new, past or future, I don't care.


Seals it just for people who are big fans of those characters.

The rest of us got the equivalent of commercial length skits. And this whole "the best" ending is made all the more empty when your LI walks in the other direction as you get back on the Normandy with the rest (that is, if they didn't already get killed by Kai Leng or cheated on you). That's not the "best". It just reinforces the idea that my Shep died alone and confused and wanting more out of life.

edit: Then again, he went out like a lot of real soldiers. In pain and crying for his mom or girlfriend. Not the big goddamn hero the rest of you are. :pinched:


Yes, and that's what I got concerning the characters. I deal with the unsatisfying finale, and move on.

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No cameos. No "but you play as Liara and Shepard's lovechild" (but I never romanced Liara- SHUT UP!)

If Bioware wanted to have a DA:O style epilogue for each squadmate, that time has come and gone. They invited speculation, and doubled-down on the notion with the extended cut. Leave the fates of Shepard and company up to our imagination. It's over.

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StreetMagic wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I'm done with the old characters. Citadel seals it. Time for all new, past or future, I don't care.


Seals it just for people who are big fans of those characters.

The rest of us got the equivalent of commercial length skits. And this whole "the best" ending is made all the more empty when your LI walks in the other direction as you get back on the Normandy with the rest (that is, if they didn't already get killed by Kai Leng or cheated on you). That's not the "best". It just reinforces the idea that my Shep died alone and confused and wanting more out of life.

edit: Then again, he went out like a lot of real soldiers. In pain and crying for his mom or girlfriend. Not the big goddamn hero the rest of you are. :pinched:

I can't speak for your Shepard, but mine got picked up by Bailey's men and moved to Rannoch with Tali a few years of therapy after blowing the Reapers to hell.

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I find it hard to believe people just want a quote quote "new" start for MASS EFFECT, yes I get that Shepard's story is finished that does not mean his allies, friends, and LI story is finished. I am not saying Shepard has to return as a main character at all, all I am saying is that his friends can.

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No cameos. No "but you play as Liara and Shepard's lovechild" (but I never romanced Liara- SHUT UP!)

If Bioware wanted to have a DA:O style epilogue for each squadmate, that time has come and gone. They invited speculation, and doubled-down on the notion with the extended cut. Leave the fates of Shepard and company up to our imagination. It's over.


If I valued my own imagination so much, I wouldn't lose myself in other people's imaginary worlds. I'd be writing my own book. Not all are blessed with fictional creativity. We're like people sitting down at a campfire, listening to a storyteller. I never intended to butt in and start telling my own stories.

Probably what I hate the most about the "speculations for everyone" thing. It's fine if you're a writer yourself. Or even just an amateur fan fiction writer. To think everyone is like that though is myopic as hell. Even in RPG crowds, the fan fiction segment are the fringe.

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chidingewe8036 wrote...

I find it hard to believe people just want a quote quote "new" start for MASS EFFECT, yes I get that Shepard's story is finished that does not mean his allies, friends, and LI story is finished. I am not saying Shepard has to return as a main character at all, all I am saying is that his friends can.

And I'd rather they didn't; more than anything, to keep them from screwing it up worse than they already did.

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I am sure if Bioware comes out and says "YOU WILL PLAY AS GARRUS" joy will sweep across the MASS EFFECT fanbase. Seems like everytime I mention Shepard or the rest of his crew I get grief. That's one reason why Garrus and Tali returned instead of Miranda, Thane, Jack, Kasumi, etc. F a n s e r v i c e

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It is going to be interesting to see what they have come up with you guys, they are going to have to jump through hoops for this next one because if they muck the next game up the MASS EFFECT Title might as well pack it up.

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chidingewe8036 wrote...

I am sure if Bioware comes out and says "YOU WILL PLAY AS GARRUS" joy will sweep across the MASS EFFECT fanbase. Seems like everytime I mention Shepard or the rest of his crew I get grief. That's one reason why Garrus and Tali returned instead of Miranda, Thane, Jack, Kasumi, etc. F a n s e r v i c e


I don't know why playing as Garrus would be exciting. Maybe in ME2 dlc, but now? Not to mention, don't people want to create their own character?

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Having all new characters would be preferred, and suddenly being thrown into another "fixed" character like Garrus or whoever would be awful.

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Steelcan wrote...

Seivel, High EMS Destroy keeps the universe intact and avoids any issues with dealing with the Reapers.

No Shepard, no squadmates, no NPCs hold over. Totally new universe. This time without the trainwreck the Reapers are.


Synthesis or previous Cycle - a lot of exotic, uncommon, and alien things. This is what I call totally new universe.

Destroy brings MEU to the same point as when player just started to play ME1 knowing nothing about Reapers yet. Nothing changed. Welcome to completely the same story on completely the same landscape. Boring... Personally, I think I would never buy such sequel.

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Destroy brings MEU to the same point as when player just started to play ME1 knowing nothing about Reapers yet. Nothing changed. Welcome to completely the same story on completely the same landscape. Boring... Personally, I think I would never buy such sequel.


Not necessarily. There's a giant number of closed off mass relays that could open doors on the exotic. We only interact with a small part of the galaxy (even though it's spread out in different sectors).

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You know I would love to play as Liara, I mean she is the shadow broker, she has combat experience, and she is not a random soldier, and she is not "Shepard". She could get the crew back together to go find Shepard, that's all I am saying. I mean think about it, there had to be a reason why your friend or whoever did not place your plaque on the wall, come on you guys work with me here lol.......i'm trying, throw me a darn bone.

Playing as The Virmire Survivor, Liara, or a totally new person (not a soldier or Shepard 2.0) would be sweet and you guys know you would buy it in a heart beat regardless.

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If that's what you're looking for in the next ME, it's cool. Alot of people want alot of different things. We really don't have a clue what's in the works yet. Everyone should just brace for impact.

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StreetMagic wrote...

Seival wrote...


Destroy brings MEU to the same point as when player just started to play ME1 knowing nothing about Reapers yet. Nothing changed. Welcome to completely the same story on completely the same landscape. Boring... Personally, I think I would never buy such sequel.


Not necessarily. There's a giant number of closed off mass relays that could open doors on the exotic. We only interact with a small part of the galaxy (even though it's spread out in different sectors).


Aha, behold the new "Mass Effect Rim"! We activated a newly discovered relay and summoned a horrible demon! Now we have to create some stupid giant robots to drive the demon back and shut down the relay.

"Mass Effect Rim 2"! We did it again! New relay, new demon and even more stupid giant robots!

We thought we can't make even more stupid game, but here we go, "Mass Effect Rim 3"!
 


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