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#76
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Seival wrote...

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Seival wrote...
 MEU without the Reapers

How is that a bad thing?


MEU without the Reapers. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Mass Relays. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Element Zero. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without the Geth. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Krogan. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Rachni. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Turians. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Asari. How is that a bad thing?
...

They are all equally important questions. Should I continue?

Each and every major feature makes the game as it is. Removing the Reapers would be the same as removing Asari.

Simple thing - never remove unique races from the game. Add new unique races in addition to existing ones. And the only ending that actually creates a new race is Synthesis (the race of awakened VIs - the ghosts).


Well, Seival, I hear that the next MEU game is pretty much gonna be a reboot. I can't be bothered at this time to find the article in which CHud talks about what sounds like is gonna be a reboot b/c I'm lazy.

ME w/o the Reapers or Asari wouldn't be a bad thing. The first are an all-powerful space Cthulhus and the second are the typical, novelty space babes.

Modifié par Ravensword, 11 août 2013 - 12:01 .


#77
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AresKeith wrote...

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This image represents the truth. The truth that haters fail to see.


And what truth might that be? The "truth" that the ME3 endings are "perfect" because you say so?


Becuz Biower iz teh greetest writers eva!! :wizard:


Mang dez plebs just don get amazuning writin'!:wizard:

#78
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OperatingWookie wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Seival wrote...
 MEU without the Reapers

How is that a bad thing?


MEU without the Reapers. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Mass Relays. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Element Zero. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without the Geth. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Krogan. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Rachni. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Turians. How is that a bad thing?
MEU without Asari. How is that a bad thing?
...

They are all equally important questions. Should I continue?

Each and every major feature makes the game as it is. Removing the Reapers would be the same as removing Asari.

Simple thing - never remove unique races from the game. Add new unique races in addition to existing ones. And the only ending that actually creates a new race is Synthesis (the race of awakened VIs - the ghosts).

Uh no? Removing the Reapers would do nothing but in fact help the seires as it's getting rid of garbage writing.


Everything about the Reapers and about the Catalyst is an example of the awesome writing. And I hope BioWare writers will keep doing great job, keeping ME3 and its ending in mind as the reference.


Whelp there goes any chance of you making a coherent well thought out point.


The catalyst was a revolutionary product of Bioware writing.

The only problem was the length. Other than that, it was great.


Yes, deus ex machina are always revolutionarily bad pieces of writing, each one more contirved that the last.

Modifié par billy the squid, 11 août 2013 - 12:24 .


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Ohohohoho, that picture

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#81
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It could revolve around the same universe. but since there are so many outcomes to the game it's best to move away from the universe of Shepard. Keep the aliens, but make a new story. I doubt Mass Effect 4 would be a numbered sequel because the story does not focus on Shepard anymore.

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If they are going to roll with a sole canon ending to ME3, High EMS Destroy makes the most sense.

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Not to be rude but Shepard is dead, I accept that and his/her story is done, the reapers are done. Now we need a new face and character for the next game, with nothing to do with Shepard. Period


shepard didn't die in high ems destroy though

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Cool and enraged being character traits gets me everytime.

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Seival, shine on you crazy diamond.

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what i've got from the DESTROY ending is that it is pretty much a Suicide Mission, but without my crew being actually being involved. as this time it is me alone who will have to "take one for the team" so to say.

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noobcannon wrote...

LiL Reapur wrote...

Not to be rude but Shepard is dead, I accept that and his/her story is done, the reapers are done. Now we need a new face and character for the next game, with nothing to do with Shepard. Period


shepard didn't die in high ems destroy though


By your Headcannon he didn't die, it doesn't really matter in the end because you know we are done with shepard and friends its time for someone new for a change instead of a lazurus 2.0 for shepard in mass effect 4.

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 11 août 2013 - 07:19 .


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LiL Reapur wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

LiL Reapur wrote...

Not to be rude but Shepard is dead, I accept that and his/her story is done, the reapers are done. Now we need a new face and character for the next game, with nothing to do with Shepard. Period


shepard didn't die in high ems destroy though


By your Headcannon he didn't die, it doesn't really matter in the end because you know we are done with shepard and friends its time for someone new for for a change instead of a lazurus 2.0 for shepard in mass effect 4.

He is alive, but my Shep prematurely retired to Rannoch, he won't be fighting too much anymore. It really is time for a new, non-linear, possibly alien(hopefully Quarian) protagonist.

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It doesn't matter if we're done with Shepard or not, what matters is the ending Shepard chose. I can't see Synergy working as a "canon" ending for obvious reasons. In my mind, this is indeed space magic and a nod to fairy tale endings. Even though I chose it first (out of curiosity, but I did save with the intent to immediately see the other endings) it's clear to me that that ending is not only the ending to Shepard's story, but the story of the Mass Effect universe. Without conflict, there is no story or drama. Also, it always struck me as a bit creepy and unsettling. This would be a complex and hard to understand status quo for new fans and I don't see Bioware or EA going that route.

Control is also a dead end for me. Shepard is now a seemingly benevolent AI god that controls a vast fleet of Reapers that go on to repair every relay, planet, etc, and constantly watch over and defend the "many." Would the Shepalyst even allow conflict between organic species? Not that war is a good thing, of course, but taking away any "right" limits conflict and thus limits story potential. It's also a bit too "high concept" to use as a status quo for new fans, though that's debatable.

Destroy is the only ending that makes sense to me. The only aspect of it that's unappealing to most players (particularly paragons that did everything right by the krogan, quarians, geth, etc) is the destruction of the geth (and of course EDI). But, remember, the Cataylst and Hackett both clearly point out that anything that was destroyed would be rebuilt. It also raises many interesting possibilities. Would AI's be held in even more suspicion now? Would the altruistic actions of EDI and the "soul" geth make organics think differently? Would the quarian's consider rebuilding them? Of course this is the only ending where it's possible to see Shepard at the end, possibly with a chance of living, so you can't help but feel that Bioware's hints point to this to be the best possible outcome for future games. While sacrifice is made, it's the only of the three main options that leaves everyones free will and right to choose firmly intact. This is an appealing philosophy for obvious reasons.

The fourth "do nothing" option is the least appealing. There are some aspects about it that make sense to me, but overall it simply can't work. All advance life is wiped out and I don't see Bioware setting a game 50,000 years in the future. This just breaks with the overall "not that far off..." feel of Mass Effect.

This of course assumes that Bioware has to choose just one ending to be the status quo going forward. I can't see how anything other than Destroy provides an appropriate setting for non-prequels, but if Bioware pulled off being able to incorporate all possible endings, I'd like to see it.

Modifié par Brannon, 11 août 2013 - 05:31 .


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The Force is strong with my idea. Guys I have a feeling that we will be searching for Sheps, I really do and high ems destroy ending will become canon.

Look, In ME2 Shepard had that ending where he died but in the grand scheme of things it was just a "what if" type of ending. Control and Synthesis are "what if" endings, high ems destroy is and will be the canon ending. Period. What else could Bioware possibly do you guys?? I just can't see anything else making any sense.

ME2 Bad Ending = "what if" Shepard failed the suicide mission

Control = "what if" Shepard chose The Illusive Man's method

Synthesis = "what if" Shepard chose Saren's Method

Destroy (High EMS, The Best and probably more than likely Bioware's chosen canon ending) - Shepard, Anderson, and The Galaxies' Method

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Bioware could use The High EMS Ending and have the new enemy be Synthetics like EDI trying to take over the Galaxy as opposed to destroying it. It would have a Terminator type feel to it minus the time travel lol. Just think of the possibilities of that type of story, and Dark Energy could play a big role in that.

MASS EFFECT 4: THE SEARCH FOR SHEPARD AND THE REVENGE OF THE SYNTHETICS

The Title would obviously be different but the concept could work

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There is a several mile distance between 'could work' and 'is likely to work'.

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My Ahepard canonically inflicted a synthetic holocaust upon the galaxy?

Pass

And I will pass on the other endings too.

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Everyone shoots down my idea for the next trilogy where Shepard is being held prisoner by someone or something and his friends and allies must go on a new adventure to find him. Well before you put the stakes in me think about this...............we can only assume Harbinger was destroyed that fact was never confirmed and his defeat was never seen first hand, anything is possible.

And yes I know Shepard's story is over but I am not saying that we play as him again, with my idea we would not see or interact with him/her until the final game in the new trilogy.

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chidingewe8036 wrote...

Everyone shoots down my idea for the next trilogy where Shepard is being held prisoner by someone or something and his friends and allies must go on a new adventure to find him. Well before you put the stakes in me think about this...............we can only assume Harbinger was destroyed that fact was never confirmed and his defeat was never seen first hand, anything is possible.

And yes I know Shepard's story is over but I am not saying that we play as him again, with my idea we would not see or interact with him/her until the final game in the new trilogy.

Are you proposing a three-game stint without any form of progress to the main quest until the finale?

Start of game 1: We're looking for Shepard.
End of game 1: We're still looking for Shepard.
End of game 2: We're still looking for Shepard.
End of game 3: We just found him. He was hanging out with Waldo.

Modifié par Indy_S, 11 août 2013 - 06:32 .


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My Ahepard canonically inflicted a synthetic holocaust upon the galaxy?

Pass

And I will pass on the other endings too.


Opposed as I am to Synthesis, I can't help but take issue with the word holocaust, considering that an actual holocaust involves large scale destruction and death. Violating as the concept of synthesizing the galaxy may be to many, it's in no way reminiscent of a holocaust.

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chidingewe8036 wrote...

Everyone shoots down my idea for the next trilogy where Shepard is being held prisoner by someone or something and his friends and allies must go on a new adventure to find him. Well before you put the stakes in me think about this...............we can only assume Harbinger was destroyed that fact was never confirmed and his defeat was never seen first hand, anything is possible.

And yes I know Shepard's story is over but I am not saying that we play as him again, with my idea we would not see or interact with him/her until the final game in the new trilogy.


 If you like it what does it matter, just believe in yourself. Just remember shep is still raw for alot of people and dont lose heart, maybe refine the original idea and go from there.

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KaiserShep wrote...

iakus wrote...

My Ahepard canonically inflicted a synthetic holocaust upon the galaxy?

Pass

And I will pass on the other endings too.


Opposed as I am to Synthesis, I can't help but take issue with the word holocaust, considering that an actual holocaust involves large scale destruction and death. Violating as the concept of synthesizing the galaxy may be to many, it's in no way reminiscent of a holocaust.


I was actually talking about Destroy, which to my mind is in fact a holocaust of all synthetic life.

I'm not sure what word would describe Synthesis, as it is so creepy and wired as to defy description

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My mistake, and fair enough.

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One thing always struck me with synthesis, even though ive always felt it was a trap. If its not what happens to free will if all memory etc is a shared consciousness.