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[Ophir147]

Elves are not just short humans. They should not have human facial or skeletal structures.

They are also not Tolkien elves. Although they may share many similarities, it is their differences that make them so interesting. They are Dragon Age elves, and they deserve a unique appearance to go along with their unique culture.

Please, Bioware, please don't backtrack on the Elven changes. If you do, at least try to find a way to make them aesthetically pleasing but retain their alien, almost bestial mien. The Elven redesign was one of the best things about Dragon Age 2.

Sincerely, A Concerned Fan.

inb4 Orana. Seriously. This thread is an Orana free-zone, and I'm sick of one bad example being universally used to seemingly deflate a valid argument because of ignorance.

[AntiChri5]

Elf this, elf that, elf your mother.

[Giubba]

Ophir147 wrote...

Elves are not just short humans. They should not have human facial or skeletal structures.

They are also not Tolkien elves. Although they may share many similarities, it is their differences that make them so interesting. They are Dragon Age elves, and they deserve a unique appearance to go along with their unique culture.

Please, Bioware, please don't backtrack on the Elven changes. If you do, at least try to find a way to make them aesthetically pleasing but retain their alien, almost bestial mien. The Elven redesign was one of the best things about Dragon Age 2.

Sincerely, A Concerned Fan.

inb4 Orana. Seriously. This thread is an Orana free-zone, and I'm sick of one bad example being universally used to seemingly deflate a valid argument because of ignorance.

Agree (not with overly dramatic tone however).

[Dubozz]

I'm sorry, but i just cant help myself.

Modifié par Dubozz, 10 août 2013 - 12:44 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Giubba1985 wrote...

Ophir147 wrote...

Elves are not just short humans. They should not have human facial or skeletal structures.

They are also not Tolkien elves. Although they may share many similarities, it is their differences that make them so interesting. They are Dragon Age elves, and they deserve a unique appearance to go along with their unique culture.

Please, Bioware, please don't backtrack on the Elven changes. If you do, at least try to find a way to make them aesthetically pleasing but retain their alien, almost bestial mien. The Elven redesign was one of the best things about Dragon Age 2.

Sincerely, A Concerned Fan.

inb4 Orana. Seriously. This thread is an Orana free-zone, and I'm sick of one bad example being universally used to seemingly deflate a valid argument because of ignorance.

Agree (not with overly dramatic tone however).

[pdusen]

I also liked the DA2 elves.

I could settle for a compromise, but the race pictures I saw seem to go a little too far back in the direction of short humans with pointed ears.

[funmachine]

Giubba1985 wrote...

Ophir147 wrote...

Elves are not just short humans. They should not have human facial or skeletal structures.

They are also not Tolkien elves. Although they may share many similarities, it is their differences that make them so interesting. They are Dragon Age elves, and they deserve a unique appearance to go along with their unique culture.

Please, Bioware, please don't backtrack on the Elven changes. If you do, at least try to find a way to make them aesthetically pleasing but retain their alien, almost bestial mien. The Elven redesign was one of the best things about Dragon Age 2.

Sincerely, A Concerned Fan.

inb4 Orana. Seriously. This thread is an Orana free-zone, and I'm sick of one bad example being universally used to seemingly deflate a valid argument because of ignorance.

Agree (not with overly dramatic tone however).

Seconded!

[Ophir147]

Sorry for chewing the scenery a bit, I tend to go overboard when I feel like I'm expressing an overwhelmingly unpopular opinion.

[Giubba]

Not really a problem, myself reactly badly (and stupidly) at the pic that shown the new frostbite model.

[Sifr]

I liked how they looked in DA2. Or rather, found them more attractive and more alien than in Origins.

Female elves were hard to make look good in Origins, while those with long hair covering their ears like Iona and Nesiara, you could hardly tell were supposed to be elves and not just short humans.

I'd rather we tweak the DA2 design than go back to the Origins look.

(But change the Dalish. Aside from Merrill and Arianni, why did they all appear to be suffering Argyria? What was up with the sickly grey pallor they were sporting?)

Modifié par Sifr1449, 10 août 2013 - 12:55 .

[Potato Cat]

I also liked the redesign, but I like the reredesign too. I don't mind which one Bioware goes with, I just hope they stick with it this time.

[Parmida]

Nope, I think the elves were too ugly in DA2. They should be attractive not looking like fish.
I think that they're pretty the way they're created for DA:I.

[Giubba]

Parmida wrote...

Nope, I think the elves were too ugly in DA2. They should be attractive not looking like fish.
I think that they're pretty the way they're created for DA:I.

Don't care of elves being pretty but more of being a real different race than "human with pointy ears" like in DAO.

[Am1vf]

funmachine wrote...

Giubba1985 wrote...

Ophir147 wrote...

Elves are not just short humans. They should not have human facial or skeletal structures.

They are also not Tolkien elves. Although they may share many similarities, it is their differences that make them so interesting. They are Dragon Age elves, and they deserve a unique appearance to go along with their unique culture.

Please, Bioware, please don't backtrack on the Elven changes. If you do, at least try to find a way to make them aesthetically pleasing but retain their alien, almost bestial mien. The Elven redesign was one of the best things about Dragon Age 2.

Sincerely, A Concerned Fan.

inb4 Orana. Seriously. This thread is an Orana free-zone, and I'm sick of one bad example being universally used to seemingly deflate a valid argument because of ignorance.

Agree (not with overly dramatic tone however).

Seconded!

Thirded... 

Merril looked great and adorkable, DA][ elves can look good with a bit of work. I don't want to loose that because of the ones that looked bad.

Modifié par Am1_vf, 10 août 2013 - 01:26 .

[LinksOcarina]

You know...the cynic in me thinks that we didnt need elves to make this a fantasy game to begin with, but thats not here nor there.

Honestly, at this point do what you want. In the end elves are elves, its still derivative to other works anyway.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Yeah the elves of DA2 were original and there are no other elves like them.











They may not look like Tolkien elves in DA2 but they're hardly unique. They look like MMO elves.

Using pointy ears automatically makes the elf inspired by Tolkien's design anyway. If they want to make elves unique then maybe have LESS emphasis on the ears and put emphasis on other areas. Take the elves from Hellboy for example:



There no pointy ears here. The elves of Hellboy are distinct due to their eyes and skin.

Or Bioware could have gone the more beastie route with elves. Here are some two elven portraits from NWN:





This crap about being unique and original doesn't extend to the dwarves does it? They're ripped straight from Tolkien and just look like small humans. DA2 elves still looked like humans just with different facial structures (like how human races have different facial structure) and big stupid floopy pointy ears.

Female Kossith from Dragon Age: Those Who Speak:



Oh hey everybody. It's the Tolkien elves just with brown skin, orange eyes and horns! 

Dirk wrote...
Me no want female Kossiths being big humans with horns and pointy ears. 

 

Sorry Dirk but it seems you're not going to get what you wished for.

Dirk wrote...
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHH! ME ANGRY! DIRK SMASH!!!!!!!

 

No Dirk! Don't smash that!!!!!

Dirk wrote...
ME ANGRY!!!

 

Ahem. Dirk aside and it's just another example of yet another race that look like humans. I mean even the previous concept art which showed the female Kossith alongside a male Kossith showed it looking like a human, it just had grey skin and was bigger.

So again I don't understand why elves need to look like freaks.

Of course however, this is just art within a Dragon Age comic and the female Kossiths could end up looking like freaks.

In conclusion:

I like that they're going back to the original elf designs. If you can't make unique then don't bloody destroy and deform just for the sake of it.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 10 août 2013 - 01:38 .

[Giubba]

Why are you rambling about "unique and original". We ask for elf that are different from the standard Tolkien created.

Still tangled with the BSN hate campaign against DA2 i guess.

[Secretlyapotato]

I'm okay with the reredesign. In DA2 they were fugly.

In fact, I wonder if there's a mod for that.....

[KiwiQuiche]

Some people are seriously stupid if they think anything is "unique and original".

If it's been done once, it's been done a thousand times.

[Am1vf]

I don't care for originality.Something I do hate however is seing perfectly valid desing choices move backwards because of a lacking execution and apealing to reactionary complaints.

[Dio Demon]

Actually the ones supplied by Am1_vf look good, really good I wouldn't mind the elves in DA:I to look like that.

[LinksOcarina]

Giubba1985 wrote...

Why are you rambling about "unique and original". We ask for elf that are different from the standard Tolkien created.

Still tangled with the BSN hate campaign against DA2 i guess.

Thats the joke though. Elves will always be derivative from the Tolkien mold in every game, book, movie, RPG, setting that they are in. 

It doesn't matter how they are designed, the point is including elves in Dragon Age is basically a cop-out and lazy in terms of design of a fantasy world. Its simply not original because not only does everyone do it, but everyone does it because its expected of them. 

Now I am not saying its not interesting, however, since the elves in this world have a richer lore than most fantasy games. But in terms of originality, their inclusion is just standard tropes, which is tiring sometimes. In fact, everything about Dragon Age minus the Chantry and the Qunari are unoriginal in the typical fantasy tropes. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 10 août 2013 - 01:52 .

[Dubozz]

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

Actually the ones supplied by Am1_vf look good, really good I wouldn't mind the elves in DA:I to look like that.

Aren't the last two of those screenshots from DAO? Is not DA2 for sure.

[KiwiQuiche]

Am1_vf wrote...

I don't care for originality.Something I do hate however is seing perfectly valid desing choices move backwards because of a lacking execution and apealing to reactionary complaints.

Oh don't get me wrong, I prefer the DA2 design to "small, pointy ear humans" of DAO, which loads of people are moaning about.

[Eternal Phoenix]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Giubba1985 wrote...

Why are you rambling about "unique and original". We ask for elf that are different from the standard Tolkien created.

Still tangled with the BSN hate campaign against DA2 i guess.

Thats the joke though. Elves will always be derivative from the Tolkien mold in every game, book, movie, RPG, setting that they are in. 

It doesn't matter how they are designed, the point is including elves in Dragon Age is basically a cop-out and lazy in terms of design of a fantasy world. Its simply not original because not only does everyone do it, but everyone does it because its expected of them. 

Now I am not saying its not interesting, however, since the elves in this world have a richer lore than most fantasy games. But in terms of originality, their inclusion is just standard tropes, which is tiring sometimes. In fact, everything about Dragon Age minus the Chantry and the Qunari are unoriginal in the typical fantasy tropes. 

Well actually the Chantry and the Andrastian religion is the Catholic Church and Christianity respectively with a few minor differences. Meanwhile the Tevinter Church is obviously the protestant church...

I can't believe some people seriously argue that the DA2 elf designs should be kept because they were "original and unique" which they are not as I explained and showed above. They are bad designs of the elves from MMO's which doesn't make them original or unique.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 10 août 2013 - 01:56 .