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[Killer3000ad]

I welcome the redesign in DA:I. They aren't the same as DA:O but at least they aren't the god awful disaster that they mostly were in DA2.

[Am1vf]

BouncyFrag wrote...

I'm hoping they can craft some elven characters that I can actually tolerate, or dare I say it, like, and not have bad things happen to them.

I'm afraid that goes against Gaider's policy of feedign of your tears, but good luck.

[Bleachrude]

Isn't ths more a case of bad modelling and not the redesign itself...Fenris, Merrill and Mahariel were all considered attractive ..especially Fenris.

Yet both alistair (human) and Zevran (elven) were considered to look horrid.

To me, it doesn't sound like the design itself is the problem just that the team has to spend more TLC on modelling the random elf.

Then again, random NPCs in BOTH DA:O and DA2 have looked somewhat poor.....Crysis 3 level most assuredly not...

(Of course, this seems true for ANY RPG....non named random NPCs in both Witcher 2 and Skyrim for example certainly weren't doing their games any visual favour especially for the latter which is SUPPOSEd tob e about the visual)

EDIT: If we're going by lore, they HAVE to be somewhat exotic instead of looking like short humans with pointy ears that they were in DA:O. I'm not sure why humans would find THAT look alluring as the lore states...not different enough from a bog standard human...

Merrill and Fenris look exotic enough and you could see also how humans would find them alluring...

Modifié par Bleachrude, 10 août 2013 - 03:52 .

[Argahawk]

Before i start to comment more about how elves look like I would like to see whole model of Female/Male elf not just head/face model.

Who know, maybe after we will see whole model they will look good ?

Ps. I really didn't like DA 2 elves as most of them look alike they dont eat too well for couple days...

Modifié par Argahawk, 10 août 2013 - 03:52 .

[duckley]

Fantasy is fantasy ... we are supposed to be able to suspend our disbelief.

But when it comes Elves genetically mutating from DAO to DA2 - sorry, I can't suspend my disbelief that much... and then to make them monsterous looking, IMHO, to boot .... yeeesh!!!!
Dragon Age selected their conceptualization of Elves in DAO. I don't know what made them want to change them.

They genetically mutated Qunari as well but for some reason that did not bother me as much. Perhaps because I did not connect as much with that race in DAO and perhaps too, because there is no widespread Qunari lore in the big world of fantasy (so far as I am aware).

As Elton John is dead has said:

"I can't believe some people seriously argue that the DA2 elf designs should be kept because they were "original and unique" which they are not as I explained and showed above. They are bad designs of the elves from MMO's which doesn't make them original or unique."

[luna1124]

Elves should not be ugly. they should look like petite humans with bigger eyes, pointy ears that don't stick out like wings, and be pleasing to look at. Not scrawny helpless aliens.

[DPSSOC]

Ophir147 wrote...
Elves are not just short humans. They should not have human facial or skeletal structures.

They are also not Tolkien elves. Although they may share many similarities, it is their differences that make them so interesting. They are Dragon Age elves, and they deserve a unique appearance to go along with their unique culture.

Please, Bioware, please don't backtrack on the Elven changes. If you do, at least try to find a way to make them aesthetically pleasing but retain their alien, almost bestial mien. The Elven redesign was one of the best things about Dragon Age 2.

I agree and I don't.  The problem is DA has established in books, games, etc. that elves are for the most part considered attractive by humans.  This means the design has to conform, at least somewhat, to conventional ideas of physical attractiveness.

The only other option is to establish that Thedas has very different ideas in that regard but that falls apart because human characters designed to be attractive are still conventionally so.  We might not all agree but we can all understand why people find Morrigan, Lelianna, Isabela, Alistair, Anders, Sebastian, Cullen, etc. attractive.

[duckley]

Faerunner wrote...

Please don't. =(

Elves are established fantasy races with roughly established appearances. I don't understand people's OBSESSION with making them LOOK OMG COMPLETELY UNLIKE ANY ELF BEFORE! for every single fantasy story. Especially when those same people don't mind dwarves always looking like short, stout, often bearded humans. Especially when those same people don't mind dragons looking like giant, horned, winged lizards. Especially when those same people don't mind gryphons looking like giant eagles with the lower bodies of lions.

Elves look like slim humans with pointed ears? Yes, that's how they've roughly been established as a fantasy race within our collective consciousness. I can see them being tweaked if the author or writer so chooses, but not this widespread DEMAND.

Quit calling to reinvent the wheel and get over it already!

I wish we had a like button!

[Sjpelke]

luna1124 wrote...

Elves should not be ugly. they should look like petite humans with bigger eyes, pointy ears that don't stick out like wings, and be pleasing to look at. Not scrawny helpless aliens.

Not in the DA world. Aliens are reserved for other kinds of games I think..

Dobby is totally cute though in his uglyness imho.

[In Exile]

DPSSOC wrote...
I agree and I don't.  The problem is DA has established in books, games, etc. that elves are for the most part considered attractive by humans.  This means the design has to conform, at least somewhat, to conventional ideas of physical attractiveness.

For the longest time, I thought that line that was, paraphrasing, "Elves are supposed to be attractive to humans?" or whatever in the HN origin was sarcasm. 

[Jerrybnsn]

fchopin wrote...

Please stop posting the ugly elfs from DA2.

signed Origins' elves

[BouncyFrag]

I'm thinking they should take a page from the Kebler elves as well as those from Harry Potter. #dobbyneverforget

[FGreenSnake]

Personally, the elves from DA1 looked better than those in DA2, but that's just my opinion. Almost all of them in 2 were stick-like and kind of short. Just remember Bioware, like humans with our differing heights and weights, elves can be different sizes as well

[FGreenSnake]

ps. image was of zevran from DA1, but it was removed :/

[Asdrubael Vect]

 i am very like this

elves




dwarves

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 10 août 2013 - 04:14 .

[Am1vf]

Dark Korsar, where did that come from?

[Dubozz]

Dat outfits details. I live in future. Thanks for  the screenshots good sir.

Modifié par Dubozz, 10 août 2013 - 04:14 .

[The Elder King]

Where did you get those screenshots, Korsar? So far I was only those limiterò to the face.

[Dutchess]

Faerunner wrote...

Please don't. =(

Elves are established fantasy races with roughly established appearances. I don't understand people's OBSESSION with making them LOOK OMG COMPLETELY UNLIKE ANY ELF BEFORE! for every single fantasy story. Especially when those same people don't mind dwarves always looking like short, stout, often bearded humans. Especially when those same people don't mind dragons looking like giant, horned, winged lizards. Especially when those same people don't mind gryphons looking like giant eagles with the lower bodies of lions.

Elves look like slim humans with pointed ears? Yes, that's how they've roughly been established as a fantasy race within our collective consciousness. I can see them being tweaked if the author or writer so chooses, but not this widespread DEMAND.

Quit calling to reinvent the wheel and get over it already!

Agreed.

[cjones91]

discosuperfly wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

discosuperfly wrote...

How DAaaaRE the Dragon Age 2 art team try to reinvent the elf! Shaaaame on you, Bioware.../drama

(People are so weird about elves.)

It's not reiventing the elf when you give them huge eyes that make them look like they are on drugs.And why elves need to be reivented anyway?

Yeah, that is exactly what reinventing is. 


I didn't really have a problem with the look of the elves in DA2. I get that they were pushing the "not human" thing, and I appreciated that but it seems most people expect elves to be beautiful and, with the exception of Fenris and Merrill, the DA2 Dev team seemed to completely ignore that expectation. Honestly, I don't care either way... I'm a dwarf person.

To me reiventing is making something unique or to make a certain design stand out from similiar designs.The DA2 elves were not that, they were a result of some weird design choices that still make me cringe whenever I see them.Since you're a dwarf lover how would you feel if one day someone on the Bioware design team made dwarves hairy genlocks with no resemblance to the previous incarnations,simply so they can say they tried to be different?

[Nashimura]

I am the total opposite of the OP here, i would much rather they scale it back from what we had in 2. The ones in the DA3 pictures Dark Korsar posted look just right.