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[Ewlar]

No, no! Not to return the skinny humanoids! Those horrible "elves" of DA2, like a lollipop that + donkey ears, but not harmonious rational being.
Elves do not have to be very different from the man - that's good. In the DA says that the elves are beautiful. Let there be a new model.

[Das Tentakel]

Faerunner wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Chantry is every morally grey religious power ever hardly original.

The Ounari are grey skinned horned elves/orcs with a rigid society that asigns roles based on birth not original ethier.

The Qunari are far from Orcs. DAO Darkspawn were Orcs.

TES and WOW disagree with you. so does D&D to an extent with Half-Orcs.

Having recently read The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, DAO Darkspawn actually do have more in common with Tolkien's original vision than the game versions that got lost in imitation. While Tolkien never really committed to one origin (as he died before he could decide) a common theme was that they were once good or neutral beings (perhaps elves, Maiar, etc.) that got twisted and corrupted into hateful, destructive creatures by the Dark God Morgoth; the idea being that evil cannot create, but merely corrupt what already exists.

Likewise, the darkspawn are tainted, twisted monsters that derive from corrupted races (dwarves, elves, humans, kossith) because they cannot breed for themselves. They also make great slave armies for evil gods that want to conquer/destroy the world; i.e. The Archdemon. The Archdemon's darkspawn army has more in common with Morgoth's and Sauron's orc army than the small, scattered barbarian tribes of D&D, WOW, etc.

It may be that those changes were necessary - while the word 'Orc' (unlike hobbit) couldn't be copyrighted by the Tolkien estate, making D&D Orcs exactly identical to Tolkien's Orcs might have been...unwise.
That's no problem for the Darkspawn, though. While conceptually they are closer to Tolkien's creation, they don't bear the name of Orcs. Woohoo creativity!

As for Elves...
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 10 août 2013 - 10:22 .

[RogueWriter3201]

Ophir147 wrote...

Elves are not just short humans. They should not have human facial or skeletal structures.

They are also not Tolkien elves. Although they may share many similarities, it is their differences that make them so interesting. They are Dragon Age elves, and they deserve a unique appearance to go along with their unique culture.

Please, Bioware, please don't backtrack on the Elven changes. If you do, at least try to find a way to make them aesthetically pleasing but retain their alien, almost bestial mien. The Elven redesign was one of the best things about Dragon Age 2.

Sincerely, A Concerned Fan.

inb4 Orana. Seriously. This thread is an Orana free-zone, and I'm sick of one bad example being universally used to seemingly deflate a valid argument because of ignorance.

Agree, for the most part. I found the Dragon Age 2 redesign of their appearence far more appealing in that it gave us the idea that the Elven race evolved from a feline or even avian humanoid like species as opposed to primates like humans in Thedas.

The designs for Inqusition that were shown in the GI article (and can be seen in more than one thread here) looks like somewhat of a middle ground between what they appeared like in Origins and how they "evolved" in DA2. I actually rather like it as well.

They have an almost willowy look to them. Delicate, but with an air of strength in their features as well. I don't believe they need to look completely alien to be appealing as Elves/another species. Their not Kossith, nor should they be. 

[Shadow Fox]

Faerunner wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Chantry is every morally grey religious power ever hardly original.

The Ounari are grey skinned horned elves/orcs with a rigid society that asigns roles based on birth not original ethier.

The Qunari are far from Orcs. DAO Darkspawn were Orcs.

TES and WOW disagree with you. so does D&D to an extent with Half-Orcs.

Having recently read The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, DAO Darkspawn actually do have more in common with Tolkien's original vision than the game versions that got lost in imitation. While Tolkien never really committed to one origin (as he died before he could decide) a common theme was that they were once good or neutral beings (perhaps elves, Maiar, etc.) that got twisted and corrupted into hateful, destructive creatures by the Dark God Morgoth; the idea being that evil cannot create, but merely corrupt what already exists.

Likewise, the darkspawn are tainted, twisted monsters that derive from corrupted races (dwarves, elves, humans, kossith) because they cannot breed for themselves. They also make great slave armies for evil gods that want to conquer/destroy the world; i.e. The Archdemon. The Archdemon's darkspawn army has more in common with Morgoth's and Sauron's orc army than the small, scattered barbarian tribes of D&D, WOW, etc.

And in Tolkien female Dwarves were indistinct from male Dwarves.
Tolkien orcs aren't the only or best orcs infact I'd say the big green wild monster man from WOW and Shrek is the public's image of an Orc these days.

Also in TES Orcs are corrupted Elves.

[Das Tentakel]

glenboy24 wrote...

I don't believe they need to look completely alien to be appealing as Elves/another species. Their not Kossith, nor should they be. 

Kossith look alien? I would swear they're basically buff Europeans with horns and a somewhat unusual colouring.
Wonder why that is; but man, are their women hawt 
But that's just probably me 

[Jerrybnsn]

Das Tentakel wrote...

It may be that those changes were necessary - while the word 'Orc' (unlike hobbit) couldn't be copyrighted by the Tolkien estate, making D&D Orcs exactly identical to Tolkien's Orcs might have been...unwise.
That's no problem for the Darkspawn, though. While conceptually they are closer to Tolkien's creation, they don't bear the name of Orcs. Woohoo creativity!

As for Elves...
www.youtube.com/watch

More like Tokien's modified dark elves.  Sometime in the late middle ages, the Norse world seperated the dwarven "dark elves" and created  a realm called Svartalfaheimr for a different kind of underground evil creatures called Svartalfs. Perhaps because of the influence of Christianity with its demons. Tolkien modified this already well known idea into his book.

[Am1vf]

Das Tentakel wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

I don't believe they need to look completely alien to be appealing as Elves/another species. Their not Kossith, nor should they be. 

Kossith look alien? I would swear they're basically buff Europeans with horns and a somewhat unusual colouring.
Wonder why that is; but man, are their women hawt 
But that's just probably me 

It's not just you:wub:

[LethesDeep]

I prefer the DA2 look for the elves. For me they evoked that "Mysterious East" feeling - they were exotic and strangely appealing. When it comes to fantasy games, that is what is most appealing to me about other races; if they all look like humans with different ears or weird skin color then the series loses me due to lack of imagination. However, I can see how others disliked the look: beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all and everyone has a different definition of beautiful (which is where that bit of lore about "all elves being seen as beautiful to humans" falls apart for me).

Ultimately, this doesn't matter to me, though; I've modded DA:O's elves to look like DA2's and I'll do it again with DA:I.

[MisterJB]

Sylvianus wrote...
Pre alpha. They look great to me.

I had seen them before but not this big and not in profile.
Would you happen to have the humans?

[Shadow Fox]

LethesDeep wrote...

I prefer the DA2 look for the elves. For me they evoked that "Mysterious East" feeling - they were exotic and strangely appealing. When it comes to fantasy games, that is what is most appealing to me about other races; if they all look like humans with different ears or weird skin color then the series loses me due to lack of imagination. However, I can see how others disliked the look: beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all and everyone has a different definition of beautiful (which is where that bit of lore about "all elves being seen as beautiful to humans" falls apart for me).

Ultimately, this doesn't matter to me, though; I've modded DA:O's elves to look like DA2's and I'll do it again with DA:I.

Just curious how's that work with the Warden?

[Am1vf]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

I prefer the DA2 look for the elves. For me they evoked that "Mysterious East" feeling - they were exotic and strangely appealing. When it comes to fantasy games, that is what is most appealing to me about other races; if they all look like humans with different ears or weird skin color then the series loses me due to lack of imagination. However, I can see how others disliked the look: beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all and everyone has a different definition of beautiful (which is where that bit of lore about "all elves being seen as beautiful to humans" falls apart for me).

Ultimately, this doesn't matter to me, though; I've modded DA:O's elves to look like DA2's and I'll do it again with DA:I.

Just curious how's that work with the Warden?

From the first page:

Am1_vf wrote...
(...)

[Angrywolves]

Elves don't have to look exactly like humans.
True enough.
But DA2s elves were ugly .
Period.
No more of that.

[Zekka]

Melca36 wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

If you mean like in DA2, then heck no.
Hated the way they looked in DA2.

Me too,they looked like some sort of freaky experiment gone wrong.

I'm still trying to figure out why those silent elf NPCs looked so horrid and different from Fenris and Merrill

http://i1183.photobu...lf.jpg~original

I can't help but laugh. Is that how elves looked like in Dragon Age 2?

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Aquatic fish elfs?

[Das Tentakel]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...

It may be that those changes were necessary - while the word 'Orc' (unlike hobbit) couldn't be copyrighted by the Tolkien estate, making D&D Orcs exactly identical to Tolkien's Orcs might have been...unwise.
That's no problem for the Darkspawn, though. While conceptually they are closer to Tolkien's creation, they don't bear the name of Orcs. Woohoo creativity!

As for Elves...
www.youtube.com/watch

More like Tokien's modified dark elves.  Sometime in the late middle ages, the Norse world seperated the dwarven "dark elves" and created  a realm called Svartalfaheimr for a different kind of underground evil creatures called Svartalfs. Perhaps because of the influence of Christianity with its demons. Tolkien modified this already well known idea into his book.

.

Sorry, but fantasy Orcs as we know them are Tolkien's creation, with D&D Orcs, Darkspawn, Trollocs whatever based on them. Tolkien himself did not invent them in a vacuum, of course; he himself openly admitted an influence by George Macdonald's goblins (the term used in The Hobbit; see also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_and_the_Goblin.
But the concept of Orcs as an artificially created / unnatural / corrupted race, in servitude to dark powers and used as ' arrowfodder'  in the wars waged by the dark powers? Tolkien.

Dökkalfar/Svartalfar are only mentioned in Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda, and that doesn't give much information. The equation of dwarves / gnomes / kobolds / goblins etc. with demons or fallen angels is a common European late medieval / early modern development, but it's not universal (i.e. many of these remain fairly benevolent in folktales, while others become more menacing). These folk traditions almost certainly influenced Macdonald's concept of the goblins, but there's not much of Sturluson's svartalfar in there I'm afraid.

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 11 août 2013 - 12:29 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

I'm a bit confused still as to why, exactly, we need to have the elves look like fish people in dragon age. Like, what purpose does it serve?

[Zekka]

Sylvianus wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Where can I see the new look, byt the way?

Pre alpha. They look great to me.

The clothes look nice. Is it Orlesian? Fereldan? or just concept art?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sorry, felt the need to yell really loudly at this.

[Shadow Fox]

Am1_vf wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

I prefer the DA2 look for the elves. For me they evoked that "Mysterious East" feeling - they were exotic and strangely appealing. When it comes to fantasy games, that is what is most appealing to me about other races; if they all look like humans with different ears or weird skin color then the series loses me due to lack of imagination. However, I can see how others disliked the look: beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all and everyone has a different definition of beautiful (which is where that bit of lore about "all elves being seen as beautiful to humans" falls apart for me).

Ultimately, this doesn't matter to me, though; I've modded DA:O's elves to look like DA2's and I'll do it again with DA:I.

Just curious how's that work with the Warden?

From the first page:

Am1_vf wrote...
(...)

Cool.

[Capt Beans]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sorry, felt the need to yell really loudly at this.

Nope, I'm alright with you yelling because we have the same opinions.

[Jigglypuff]

I actually liked the elf design in DA2, it really made the elves stand out as a unique race.
I hope they don't change it, I wanted an Elven hawke but that wasn't an option.