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[Deerber]

Now, I've played the Cabal quite a lot when it was released, and I have to say that I always got the feeling something was not right with her Biotic Focus. It's supposed to give you a 0.5 secs I-frame if you take the right evo 6, but it always felt like it didn't. Lots of other people felt the same, so Peddro (or was it someone else? Can't recall, sorry) went on to test the duration of the I-frame... And didn't track any problem or bug. The duration was still 0.5 secs.

So, today I tried to solo a couple of waves with her since I had not played her in ages, and... I finally had the proof that the evo 6 is bugged. Sadly, I was not recording, so I have no proof. I'm still posting here because maybe some people will be willing to trust me on my word alone. To me, this is proof enough to be sure it's bugged.

Near the end of a wave, I poison striked through an engineer, killing him in the process, which put me in melee range of a Phantom, which was the last enemy standing. She melees me and brings me to healthgate. So I dodge back, getting away from her sync range, and then use botic focus to replenish a portion of my shields. And the exact moment my shields are refilled, she fires at me at kills me in one shot. Now, both my shield and health gate were obviously on cooldown so it would be ok if it wasn't that... I'm supposed to get a 0.5 secs I-frame from Biotic Focus. And yet I didn't. It was probably not even 0.2 secs after I used the power, so no way that I-frame actually worked.


So, I believe no bug was found at the start because Peddro&co looked for a widespread problem, like it would have been if all of her biotic focus use were giving I-frames for 0.3 secs instead of 0.5. And that doesn't happen, most of the times you get a 0.5 I-frame allright. But I doubt that they could have tracked a bug if it happens say, only in 1% of the cases, right? So this is what I believe it happens. Sometimes evo 6 just goes nuts and doesn't give any I-frame.

Thought I'd share because maybe someone might be interested in this :happy:

Modifié par Deerber, 10 août 2013 - 05:26 .

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

On-host lag. It's real.

[IamZAE]

I felt the same sometimes. Then other times I feel it works, 0.5 seconds don't leave much room for error especially off host

[Simba501]

Phantom does what she wants.

[Deerber]

b00g13man wrote...

On-host lag. It's real.

Would you believe me if I said that I've experienced that, sometimes? And I mean real lag, like hitting an enemy and seeing the health bar updating more than an entire second later. But this was not the case for this solo. There was no lag at all.

IamZAE wrote...

I felt the same sometimes. Then other times I feel it works, 0.5 seconds don't leave much room for error especially off host

I was soloing, I was on host 

[Chromatix]

Dunno, i've never had such trouble.

Never relied on focus alone itself though. Focus + Dodge is much more reliable stuff.

Modifié par Chromatix, 10 août 2013 - 05:45 .

[FasterThanFTL]

Your RAM is dusty, clean it with water.

[BridgeBurner]

It's perfectly possible that the mechanic that gives you "immunity" is on a shared cooldown with other similar effects.

In which case, the shield / health gate activation would exempt you from being immune to damage if you use biotic focus whilst health / shieldgate are on cooldown.

It won't be the first time we've seen different effects that use the same code acting as one; ie: DoT effects and incendiary ammo.

Modifié par Annomander, 10 août 2013 - 06:10 .

[Caratinoid]

Immunity cooldown is not shared with other powers AFAIK.

This doesn't get mentioned often but there is also a bug of your power evos not updating properly, when going between power/weapon/equipment screens. Not sure what triggers it but sometimes it's possible to play a game with a certain evo not functioning even if you took it in the power screen. This happens in solo games and you can't miss it if a power has a visible hint related to the evolution you took which obviously doesn't work in game. When you finish a game and check you power screen it will still display your last choice even if it's still disabled in the game. So if you modified power evos right before the game it could also be that.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Simba501 wrote...

Phantom does what she wants.

[Caratinoid]

And isn't it 0.75 seconds instead of 0.5? I think hint text is wrong.

Modifié par Caratinoid, 10 août 2013 - 06:21 .

[HoochieHamiltoe]

I don't personally like that evolution anyway. Can't pass up dat Turian speed.

[Deerber]

Element 0 wrote...

It gives 0.5 seconds. I ate Ravager shots Prime shots, Scion shots, Atlas rockets and entire bursts of Turret with Biotic Focus boost without taking damage. I even made a habit to take Banshee Warps with it.

I'm sure you did.

... Did you by any chance read the post, too? 

I know it gives 0.5 secs, as I explained in the first post. I'm just saying that sometimes it doesn't work, that's all.

Annomander wrote...

It's perfectly possible that the mechanic that gives you "immunity" is on a shared cooldown with other similar effects.

In which case, the shield / health gate activation would exempt you from being immune to damage if you use biotic focus whilst health / shieldgate are on cooldown.

It won't be the first time we've seen different effects that use the same code acting as one; ie: DoT effects and incendiary ammo.

That would be quite a fitting explanation in my opinion, but I trust Caratinoid if he says it's not possible.

Caratinoid wrote...

Immunity cooldown is not shared with other powers AFAIK.

This doesn't get mentioned often but there is also a bug of your power evos not updating properly, when going between power/weapon/equipment screens. Not sure what triggers it but sometimes it's possible to play a game with a certain evo not functioning even if you took it in the power screen. This happens in solo games and you can't miss it if a power has a visible hint related to the evolution you took which obviously doesn't work in game. When you finish a game and check you power screen it will still display your last choice even if it's still disabled in the game. So if you modified power evos right before the game it could also be that.

I have not rebuilt her for months, and that evo is the one replenishing my shields, so... That can't be it 

Modifié par Deerber, 10 août 2013 - 06:29 .

[DHKany]

Bug Effect 3 being Bug Effect.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

I don't personally like that evolution anyway. Can't pass up dat Turian speed.

One more thing you've specced incorrectly...

[HoochieHamiltoe]

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

I don't personally like that evolution anyway. Can't pass up dat Turian speed.

One more thing you've specced incorrectly...

Boogie pls.

IMO having speed and mobility is much more valuable. 

[Deerber]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

I don't personally like that evolution anyway. Can't pass up dat Turian speed.

One more thing you've specced incorrectly...

Boogie pls.

IMO having speed and mobility is much more valuable. 

Than having I-frames, free 40% shield restore, and basically immunity to DoTs?

... Oh well, to each his own 

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

I don't personally like that evolution anyway. Can't pass up dat Turian speed.

One more thing you've specced incorrectly...

Boogie pls.

IMO having speed and mobility is much more valuable. 

Just messing with you. I need to play around with my Cabal build at some point, and will probably give it a go.

[TheAshenPhoenix]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

I don't personally like that evolution anyway. Can't pass up dat Turian speed.

One more thing you've specced incorrectly...

Boogie pls.

IMO having speed and mobility is much more valuable. 

I've recently been wondering whether or not I should skip it, so many people act like it's such an amazing evo I've been hesitant not to spec out of it. But 40% of shields regen'd is really the only reason I use it, I barely notice the I-frames. Sometimes the shields have indeed saved my life, but I think ahving more DR and speed in the first place might save me a bit more, especially considering most of the time she's not in melee/close range of something so it's not that high risk. 40% DR is nothing to scoff at.

[HoochieHamiltoe]

TheAshenPhoenix wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

I don't personally like that evolution anyway. Can't pass up dat Turian speed.

One more thing you've specced incorrectly...

Boogie pls.

IMO having speed and mobility is much more valuable. 

I've recently been wondering whether or not I should skip it, so many people act like it's such an amazing evo I've been hesitant not to spec out of it. But 40% of shields regen'd is really the only reason I use it, I barely notice the I-frames. Sometimes the shields have indeed saved my life, but I think ahving more DR and speed in the first place might save me a bit more, especially considering most of the time she's not in melee/close range of something so it's not that high risk. 40% DR is nothing to scoff at.

Agreed, especially considering 6A doesn't always work as intended. Go figure.

[TheAshenPhoenix]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

TheAshenPhoenix wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

I don't personally like that evolution anyway. Can't pass up dat Turian speed.

One more thing you've specced incorrectly...

Boogie pls.

IMO having speed and mobility is much more valuable. 

I've recently been wondering whether or not I should skip it, so many people act like it's such an amazing evo I've been hesitant not to spec out of it. But 40% of shields regen'd is really the only reason I use it, I barely notice the I-frames. Sometimes the shields have indeed saved my life, but I think ahving more DR and speed in the first place might save me a bit more, especially considering most of the time she's not in melee/close range of something so it's not that high risk. 40% DR is nothing to scoff at.

Agreed, especially considering 6A doesn't always work as intended. Go figure.

You're telling me, I had an extreme rage moment when I failed a gold the other day. All that was left was a geth rpime and two pyros after solo'ing practically the entire wave. The two pyro's jump over the cover (the prime was nowhere in sight) and try and flame me, no problem. I'll just shoot them and use biotic focus to regen my shields as I teleport away. Okay, shields are down time for bioti- **** WHY THE HELL ARE MY BARRIERS NOT REGENERATING

[palmof40sorrows]

.5 seconds is not a lot of time by the way.

[valium]

I can go with this, it seems to me to not always work correctly, I just assumed because I play offhost and I run into crap like this all the time.

[Dunvi]

Caratinoid wrote...

And isn't it 0.75 seconds instead of 0.5? I think hint text is wrong.

I noticed that just yesterday. In the default properties, the Immunity time is .75, but that might be overwritten in the included coalesced, or even through a prerelease balance change.