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[Jerrybnsn]

simfamSP wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Because he's the only thing that is worth saving from DA2.

Why does Varric continue on with the story, yet my Warden and his companions have to constantly sit it out?

Because DA isn't about the Warden.

What does DA being about have to do with not having your Warden?  DA isn't about Varric either. Or Cullen for that matter.

[Jerrybnsn]

Mr.House wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Because he's the only thing that is worth saving from DA2.

Now that just irks me considering that they brought no one back from Origins to be your companion.  Why are the DA2 companions given special treatment? ?

Anders returned in DA2 so nice try.

I would love to have Awakening's Anders returned in DA3,  but not DA2 Anders.  Like Varric, I would kill him at the first oppurtunity.  The less I see of DA2 , the better.

[ames4u]

Rakia Time wrote...

They brought him back because his chesthair looks even more manly with Frostbite 3

I'd be inclined to agree with this if it weren't for the fact that they've shown screenshots of his chest hair being completely covered up.

Much as I hate to point it out, but from the looks of things, Varric may be given The Anders Treatment. A bipolar, wangsting piece of bullplop that screws everyone over.

If I see Anders in DAI still behaving like an absolute A-hole, I will kill him immedietaly.
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Modifié par ames4u, 11 août 2013 - 01:36 .

[Jerrybnsn]

ames4u wrote...

If I see Anders in DAI still behaving like an absolute A-hole, I will kill him immedietaly.

Wait...it is confirmed that DA2 Anders is coming back?  That can't be so.

[ames4u]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Because he's the only thing that is worth saving from DA2.

Why does Varric continue on with the story, yet my Warden and his companions have to constantly sit it out?

Because DA isn't about the Warden.

What does DA being about have to do with not having your Warden?  DA isn't about Varric either. Or Cullen for that matter.

Because Bioware doesn't want DAO and Awakening to have any impact on their game, because that would mean following through on their promises and make the choices you made impact the following games. You saw how much DAO/A 'affected' DA2 right? Pointless cameos and brief mentions in a rundown pub, coupled with retcons. Expect much of the same sh*t in DAI.

I'm still furious that my Wardens who saved the god damn world is being swept under the carpet for the nobody that is Hawke who literally did jack all to stop Anders and the three warring factions. The Warden would've put a boot up their b@cksides before anything could really get started. A vast majority of the things that Hawke get's tangled up in is pointless and nonsensical. What purpose did Hawke have to remain in Kirkwall if he or she was a mage? As soon as they found out they were nobodies they had no real reason to stay. After they gain money, they had no reason to stay. No one is above the law. Yet Hawke prances around doing blood magic in front of templars for shiz and giggles and not one of them bats an eyelash. Dur hur, R U A MAGE?  I'm actually in the middle of drawing a strip illustrating this stupidity.

Hawke becomes 'Champion'. What does that net them? Nothing. Do they have overall say in big events? They can try but ultimately they are overruled. Do they have 'power' as champion? No. Because it doesn't MEAN anything. Can they stop big event's from happening using their title of Champion? No. Can they protect anyone other than the two apostates in their team from being scooped up by the Templars? No. Can they set up a faction of their own to restore order? No. Can they help the less fortunate seeing as they are recognised by nobility? No. It doesn't even cross his or her mind to do so. It's basically a no brainer. Everything is going to go to sh*t no matter how you play the game, regardless of who you side with and what you do. This was something I could not forgive about the game. Cliche'd companions and 'streamlined' combat I can handle-but removing the 'choices = concequences' is just atrocious.


I know a lot of people will argue with me about this. But think about it; what does Hawke do that actually benefits anyone on a large scale? And I don't mean the pointless busy body work either. I mean as a whole, what does Hawke do that actually benefits everyone? I can't even count the Qunari attack as something Hawke helped avert because I'm pretty damn sure Meredith would've kicked their @sses right out of Kirkwall without Hawke's interferance.

Modifié par ames4u, 11 août 2013 - 03:07 .

[ames4u]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

ames4u wrote...

If I see Anders in DAI still behaving like an absolute A-hole, I will kill him immedietaly.

Wait...it is confirmed that DA2 Anders is coming back?  That can't be so.

Ah, sorry, I should've been more specific; what I should've said was, If Anders shows up in DAI still acting like a self righteous A-hole, I will make him spit his teeth out of his own butt.

And much as I hate to admit it, I can see him showing up even in a cameo appearance. I'd like to see him get his head kicked in by my Wardens but, chances are they'll be relegated to the rumour mill in filthy little pubs crawling with lice.

[drake heath]

I don't get why Varric is there.

I mean he was one of the few characters in DA2 who were of any note, but what justification does he have for being a companion?

The only reason the Seekers needed him was because he knew about Hawke, and once they found out Hawke was just some useless schmuck who got lucky they didn't need him anymore.

The "Champion" was a lie, Hawke wasn't going to save anyone and was probably dead or missing, Varric wasn't needed anymore, why keep him along? Is he even connected outside of Kirkwall?

[FieryDove]

Mr.House wrote...

 Also Anders returned in DA2 so nice try.

That wasn't Anders as far as I'm concerned. He looked, acted and sounded different. He even lost his spirit healing. bah.

OP:

I thought Varric was great. He got along with my diplomatic doormat, sarcastic and slightly aggressive Hawke's just fine. His crossbow did major dps if you put points in his tree. I had no complaints on his utility either dps or crowd control. Plus I loved his humor and banter with everyone.

[MattH]

ames4u wrote...
Ah, sorry, I should've been more specific; what I should've said was, If Anders shows up in DAI still acting like a self righteous A-hole, I will make him spit his teeth out of his own butt.

And much as I hate to admit it, I can see him showing up even in a cameo appearance. I'd like to see him get his head kicked in by my Wardens but, chances are they'll be relegated to the rumour mill in filthy little pubs crawling with lice.

I'd like to see him come back purely to see what became of him. He played a pivotal role in DA2, what is he doing now? Is he leading the mage rebellion? Has justice completely corrupted him?  It'd be good to hear from devs about character appearances like his having a chance of occurring.

As for Varric, well, he's a character well recieved by most fans, a link to the past game and a valuable assest. 

Modifié par MH19, 11 août 2013 - 03:32 .

[Eludajae]

I used Varric on most of my play throughs if his crossbow is not doing the job then stop autoleveling him, like any other character take your time and plan his skills out.

I figured Varric would be here because he has become the narrator of DA history now. I expect him to be around for a long time.

[The Elder King]

@drake heath: The Seekers and the Inquisition aren't the same think. The new PC re-found the Inquisition in DAI, and Varric joins after that. As for why, we'll see in the game.
@ames4u: considering that in DAI Ferelden will be a major setting, I'd guess we'll see the consequences of what we did in DAO and DAA. Bioware isn't following DAO or DA2's plot and stories, but some of both (mage-templar war, Ferelden recovering from the Blight).
The presence of one DA2 companion doesn't mean they'll follow DA2's steps. Varric is a popular character that can explored further. Plus, as said by others, the majority of DAO's companions could have big roles in Thedosian's societies, or could be dead. I'd prefer the returning companions (though I'd have preferred a cast of completely new companions), to be canonically alive.

Modifié par hhh89, 11 août 2013 - 03:40 .

[drake heath]

I know they're not the same, but it's the general idea of things.

What does he have to offer? Being an interesting character doesn't make you particularly useful.

I guess he'll be connected to organizations and what not throughout the game.

[Mr.House]

drake heath wrote...

I don't get why Varric is there.

I mean he was one of the few characters in DA2 who were of any note, but what justification does he have for being a companion?

The only reason the Seekers needed him was because he knew about Hawke, and once they found out Hawke was just some useless schmuck who got lucky they didn't need him anymore.

The "Champion" was a lie, Hawke wasn't going to save anyone and was probably dead or missing, Varric wasn't needed anymore, why keep him along? Is he even connected outside of Kirkwall?

Funding, carta link, merchant guild resources, Varrics contacts and other stuff that would benfit a group.

[Mr.House]

ames4u wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Because he's the only thing that is worth saving from DA2.

Why does Varric continue on with the story, yet my Warden and his companions have to constantly sit it out?

Because DA isn't about the Warden.

What does DA being about have to do with not having your Warden?  DA isn't about Varric either. Or Cullen for that matter.

Because Bioware doesn't want DAO and Awakening to have any impact on their game, because that would mean following through on their promises and make the choices you made impact the following games. You saw how much DAO/A 'affected' DA2 right? Pointless cameos and brief mentions in a rundown pub, coupled with retcons. Expect much of the same sh*t in DAI.

I'm still furious that my Wardens who saved the god damn world is being swept under the carpet for the nobody that is Hawke who literally did jack all to stop Anders and the three warring factions. The Warden would've put a boot up their b@cksides before anything could really get started. A vast majority of the things that Hawke get's tangled up in is pointless and nonsensical. What purpose did Hawke have to remain in Kirkwall if he or she was a mage? As soon as they found out they were nobodies they had no real reason to stay. After they gain money, they had no reason to stay. No one is above the law. Yet Hawke prances around doing blood magic in front of templars for shiz and giggles and not one of them bats an eyelash. Dur hur, R U A MAGE?  I'm actually in the middle of drawing a strip illustrating this stupidity.

Hawke becomes 'Champion'. What does that net them? Nothing. Do they have overall say in big events? They can try but ultimately they are overruled. Do they have 'power' as champion? No. Because it doesn't MEAN anything. Can they stop big event's from happening using their title of Champion? No. Can they protect anyone other than the two apostates in their team from being scooped up by the Templars? No. Can they set up a faction of their own to restore order? No. Can they help the less fortunate seeing as they are recognised by nobility? No. It doesn't even cross his or her mind to do so. It's basically a no brainer. Everything is going to go to sh*t no matter how you play the game, regardless of who you side with and what you do. This was something I could not forgive about the game. Cliche'd companions and 'streamlined' combat I can handle-but removing the 'choices = concequences' is just atrocious.


I know a lot of people will argue with me about this. But think about it; what does Hawke do that actually benefits anyone on a large scale? And I don't mean the pointless busy body work either. I mean as a whole, what does Hawke do that actually benefits everyone? I can't even count the Qunari attack as something Hawke helped avert because I'm pretty damn sure Meredith would've kicked their @sses right out of Kirkwall without Hawke's interferance.

Your Warden saved Ferelden, not the world.

[TheChris92]

RobRam10 wrote...

Varric is the Garrus of Dragon Age, how could I not like him?!

Excluding the whining and usual family issues, then yes.. I suppose.

[SilentK]

frostajulie wrote...

Varric was hilarious. He was tender, he was a caretaker note his interactions with the more vulnerable members of your party, Merrill and Bethany. Varric was you brother in arms you knew if he had to he would crawl fifteen miles over broken glass if he had to just to pull your ass out of the fire. Varric tried so hard to help Anders because Anders was his friend. Varric was wrtten as the perfect brother, the perfect comrade. Through it all he always kept his **** together even with his brother. He cared enough about Hawke to grieve with her. The writing team took enough time to develop a character with depth and many fans have responded to him by wanting more.

Yay for Varric:wub:

You said it better than me frostajulie =)  I am so very happy that he is coming back. Always felt like such a good friend.

[Roninbarista]

x-aizen-x wrote...

 I just don't get why so many people liked varric. It's not that I did not like him it's that he was so damn boring. His crossbow thing was so useless and he did nothing interesting. So why did they bring him back. My favorite characters were sten and morrigan. 

Maybe the deveopers feel they have more story to tell with him? 

Since you brought it up, tell us why you favor Sten and Morrigan, and what makes you think they won't show up in DA:I?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Mr.House wrote...
Your Warden saved Ferelden, not the world.

Well practically yes theoretically after blight destroys ferelden will attack orlais until destroy world  eventually blight will be stoped but how much archdemon will destroy before this happens and even if world would be able defeat blight well we have Corypheus who can control grey wardens and many others unfavorable factors so that blight had chance.

[Terraforming2154]

I personally don't get the love that people seem to have for Varric, he is sort of like Garrus from ME where I am baffled by his popularity... but, if Bioware needs to string story threads from DA2 into DAI, then Varric is probably the best link for them to use.

Also, he might be one of the main neutral party members again, without ties to a particular faction or goal.

[llandwynwyn]

It isn't the same as Garrus. It made sense Garrus (Tali, and the other characters) to be in our team again because Shepard was the main character for the 3 ME games.

DA2 ended with Cassandra interrogating Varric. But it was mainly about Hawke, and s/he won't be the focus of DAI. So why would Varric care, and how much will they change of his character to justify his presence in DAI?I understand why Bioware decided to bring him back since he's popular and a safe choice, but I'd rather get a new character. I'm still bitter about Janders.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Varric is not the Garrus of Dragon Age.

That title belongs to Alistair since his been in DAO, Awakening, DA2 and even got his own comic book series.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 11 août 2013 - 06:09 .

[Mr.House]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Your Warden saved Ferelden, not the world.

Well practically yes theoretically after blight destroys ferelden will attack orlais until destroy world  eventually blight will be stoped but how much archdemon will destroy before this happens and even if world would be able defeat blight well we have Corypheus who can control grey wardens and many others unfavorable factors so that blight had chance.

Dwarfes from Orzamar, a few dalish clans/pack of werewolves, mages/templars from Fereldens circle, the remaining Ferelden military and three Wardens where able to defeat the Fifth blight, I highly doubt Orlais who had far more warriors, three circles of magi and more then a hundred wardens would have had a problem with the fifth blight if Ferelden was destroyed. The fifth blight was thw weakest blgiht and it shows. So no, the Warden did not save the world, no matter how much the warden fanboys/fangirls want it to be so.

Modifié par Mr.House, 11 août 2013 - 06:14 .

[Mr.House]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Varric is not the Garrus of Dragon Age.

That title belongs to Alistair since his been in DAO, Awakening, DA2 and even got his own comic book series.

Well they both whine and complain, so it fits, I guess.