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[dumdum2]

Most of us on BSN love the Mass Effect Universe and we have played the trilogy over and over again. We saw something truly fantastic with the multiplayer aspect of the game, something that has great potential.

The game had a lot of flaws though, and we all hope that the next version of Mass Effect Multiplayer will get rid of those flaws in one way or another while at the same time developing it into a superior multiplayer franchise.

So, try to help the developers out a bit here (if they still lurk the forum from time to time) and discuss this topic from two different aspects:

1. What was the flaws of ME3 MP and what was good about ME3 MP?

2. What can BioWare learn from other mutiplayer games like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Gears of War etc. in order to improve the core multiplayer aspect for Mass Effect 4?

Let the brainstorming begin!

[xFCx Shade]

Just involve the races that they have now, or they will have plenty of forum ragers.

[corporal doody]

xFCx Shade wrote...

Just involve the races that they have now, or they will have plenty of forum ragers.

and dont try to clone that abortion called CoD

[oO Stryfe Oo]

corporal doody wrote...

xFCx Shade wrote...

Just involve the races that they have now, or they will have plenty of forum ragers.

and dont try to clone that abortion called CoD

Say what you want, but at least CoD lets you *not* use the scope if you don't want to.

Optional scope and a Zoom button, BW. Do it.

[Evil]

corporal doody wrote...

and dont try to clone that abortion called CoD

Oh, and do copy the matchmaking and lobby system from GoW.
Being able to see what all your friends are playing at the touch of a button, and join any lobbys with a free slot, if their lobby is set to joinable friends with one more press is damn nice.
Or it was before Judgement killed the franchise dead.

[xFCx Shade]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

xFCx Shade wrote...

Just involve the races that they have now, or they will have plenty of forum ragers.

and dont try to clone that abortion called CoD

Say what you want, but at least CoD lets you *not* use the scope if you don't want to.

Optional scope and a Zoom button, BW. Do it.

Yes. Definitely yes. And add a new game mode or two, this one's stale. Maybe even a PvP one, for giggles? 

[Tokenusername]

dumdum2 wrote...

What can BioWare learn from other mutiplayer games like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Gears of War etc. in order to improve the core multiplayer aspect for Mass Effect 4?

Absolutely nothing. All those games focus primarily on competitive player vs. player gameplay. Mass Effect focuses on a cooperative, tier based, wave based combat experience.

You don't research Citizen Kane when trying to make a good horror movie.

[Chromatix]

Do the same thing, but better (glitches, balance). No need to change anything.

Maybe less in RNG in score. Guaranteed UR for 1.000.000 credits? Very well.

Modifié par Chromatix, 10 août 2013 - 08:58 .

[Evil]

Tokenusername wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

What can BioWare learn from other mutiplayer games like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Gears of War etc. in order to improve the core multiplayer aspect for Mass Effect 4?

Absolutely nothing. All those games focus primarily on competitive player vs. player gameplay. Mass Effect focuses on a cooperative, tier based, wave based combat experience.

You don't research Citizen Kane when trying to make a good horror movie.

Actually, the majority of online game time spent by the XBL community on GoW 2 and 3 was on horde, not PvP.
This was unintentional, I think, on epic's part.
But still, this resulted in halo and Cod adding PvE modes to their franchises, called Firefight and zombies respectively.

Modifié par Evil Mastered, 10 août 2013 - 09:05 .

[corporal doody]

xFCx Shade wrote...

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

xFCx Shade wrote...

Just involve the races that they have now, or they will have plenty of forum ragers.

and dont try to clone that abortion called CoD

Say what you want, but at least CoD lets you *not* use the scope if you don't want to.

Optional scope and a Zoom button, BW. Do it.

Yes. Definitely yes. And add a new game mode or two, this one's stale. Maybe even a PvP one, for giggles? 

HELL NO TO PVP

[xFCx Shade]

corporal doody wrote...

HELL NO TO PVP

Not like that. I'm meaning split teams, that play for score rather than against each other. 

[Chromatix]

xFCx Shade wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

HELL NO TO PVP

Not like that. I'm meaning split teams, that play for score rather than against each other. 

xfcxshade pls

NO to Scorewhoring Promotin, but having a harmless way to compete would be cool. 

[born2beagator]

I say just learn from this one and improve it.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

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[Tokenusername]

Evil Mastered wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

What can BioWare learn from other mutiplayer games like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Gears of War etc. in order to improve the core multiplayer aspect for Mass Effect 4?

Absolutely nothing. All those games focus primarily on competitive player vs. player gameplay. Mass Effect focuses on a cooperative, tier based, wave based combat experience.

You don't research Citizen Kane when trying to make a good horror movie.

Actually, the majority of online game time spent by the XBL community on GoW 2 and 3 was on horde, not PvP.
This was unintentional, I think, on epic's part.
But still, this resulted in halo and Cod adding PvE modes to their franchises, called Firefight and zombies respectively.

Player interest is not directly reflective of design focus.

Most PvE modes in "PvP" games are just copies of similar modes from other games. Very little original or new ideas are there to draw from. There is nothing to gain from coping copies aside from monaughty.

[d_nought]

FatherOfPearl wrote...

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[DeadPants182]

I'd be content with a way to get the weapons/kits I want to try without sacrificing asari maidens to the RNG gods.

Modifié par DeadPants182, 10 août 2013 - 09:30 .

[opposedcrow]

I'd say that in its final state (after all the DLC expansions were released), the ME3MP is a pretty solid experience with a lot of content for both casual and hardcore players. However, it certainly has its flaws that I'd like to see worked on for the next game's MP:

1. Lose or at least change the RNG factor in the in-game store. It wasn't so bad when ME3 was first released but now there's such a large amount of weapons, mods, gear pieces, and characters to earn that if you're hoping to unlock a specific character or gun you better be ready to either grind hours upon hours, spend a ton of $$$, or make a sacrifice to the RNG gods.

It'd be nice if BioWare either got rid of the RNG altogether or at least allowed us to buy specific items for a premium price. I wouldn't mind grinding out some extra credits if it meant I was guaranteed to get the character or gun I wanted.

2. More modes. As someone who isn't the greatest competitive player, I'm all for keeping ME MP as a cooperative experience but I also wouldn't mind seeing some variety beyond ME3's horde mode setup.

Maybe introduce some linear story-based missions that have players progressing through a level; completing objectives and fighting enemies along the way sort of similar to Halo 4's Spartan Ops missions. I think that combined with some new dynamic objectives for the standard format would really add to the game's longevity.

3. BioWare did a great job making a variety of races from the ME universe into playable MP characters and hopefully they'll try to bring at least a majority of those character archetypes into the new game.

They could try to take character customization a bit further, allowing players to modify a character's armor-type, facial features, maybe even their voice, but I'm sure many players would be fine if they kept the same format and just made the characters look a little graphically prettier (since I assume the next ME game will be next-gen).

[Supreme Leech]

There are so many technical glitches which affect the game quite a lot and definitely need some attention. That's pretty much my main complaint about this multiplayer. There are countless technical glitches which, if fixed, would enable a big improvement. But those are technical glitches, and my guess is that they shouldn't be too hard to fix...right?

The second thing is that I hope they could make the game on a larger scale. Bigger maps. More maps. More enemy factions. More characters. More powers. More weapons. More customisation options. More features. More statistics. More of everything, really.

I like the way they continued to support the multiplayer over the span of several months (I'm not too sure about the exact timeline, all I know is that it was an extended period of time, which was great).

I think they've done an amazing job with this multiplayer and I hope they don't change the overall concept too drastically. I'm not saying they should make another replica of this iteration, but rather a bigger, better and smoother version.

I wish they'd never nerfed all the things that they did...the nerfs really destroyed this game big time, but that's not what this thread is about and I'm only bringing it up as one point of discussion.

Another thing...the movement system in this game is very clunky, especially on consoles. Not being able to continue running as you're making tight turns and accidentally getting into cover are just two of the problems that I face on a regular basis, really annoying but I've learned to cope.

I hope this game continues as a true co-op game. Us versus them. That's one the best things about it. But it would be really nice to be able to have more than just 4 players in a game, that would be really cool.

[Cyonan]

You can always learn from other games. Anyone who says they shouldn't even bother looking at CoD is letting blind hatred get in the way of what could be improvements to the game.

What you shouldn't do is take ideas from them and implement them in your game simply because they're popular. You generally should have a good reason for what ideas you take from other games.

[Dunvi]

"nerfs"? we have dismissed that claim. frankly, they buffed too much.

[Evil]

Tokenusername wrote...

Player interest is not directly reflective of design focus.

Most PvE modes in "PvP" games are just copies of similar modes from other games. Very little original or new ideas are there to draw from. There is nothing to gain from coping copies aside from monaughty.

Agreed.
Was not sugesting they copy directly, more that they try to improve basic functionality in terms of stuff like player movement, control system, matchmaking, stat tracking, etc, to match their competitors.
I don't think anyone would object to copying the cover system from GoW, to reduce the amount of deaths suffered due to getting stuck to cover when sprinting away from banshees, for example.

[Dunvi]

i think one thing me3mp could have done better is that the lowest level of the game isnt straight forward enough. i'm not saying a game shouldn't have complexities, but rather that you should be able to jump in without paying heed to those complexities and, while perhaps not being the most effective player, you shouldn't be actively hurting yourself either. it took me forever to realize that gear was permanent. how often do we see well meaning players equipping penetration galore on projectile weapons? comboing was a little too obscure for a mechanic that dominates a significant number of classes's primary DPS.

Modifié par Dunvi, 10 août 2013 - 09:43 .

[N7Kopper]

I'd say take a flying leap out of single player/multiplayer segregation.
Fun fact: Baldurs Gate was designed as a multiplayer game, and fan-favourites like Minsc and Imoen were filler characters for solo players. (especially Imoen, she was shoehorned in due to playtesters dying too much early on!) So, do that for ME4, without stripping the characterisation of the preset allies for co-op players. (The reason most played BG in SP)

If the campaign must remain single-player, let us use our multiplayer characters to assist the story hero, and vice-versa. (Because I like role-playing in my RPGs, thank you sirs and madams!) ...And also because I wanted to have a runthrough of the game playing as my volus Adept, admittedly...

As for PvP, either build the story around it faction-warfare style, or, more likely, make it a training sim with no bearing on the storyline battles. Mass Effect is incredibly ripe for a versus mode, and could effectively combine Gears-style cover shooting and Guild Wars/WoW-style power combat and teamplay. And if it fails miserably, at least we tried! If anyone outright doesn't want it in the game, I can't see why. If you hate it that much, at worst you'll be proven right, and at best you'll be pleasantly surprised. And why can't we have nice things because you don't like playing with them? Remember the anti-multiplayer camp of old? Look what happened. Some of them now only play the multiplayer, insisting that having your choices matter with no easy way out ruins a choice based trilogy!

[Evil]

Cyonan wrote...

You can always learn from other games. Anyone who says they shouldn't even bother looking at CoD is letting blind hatred get in the way of what could be improvements to the game.

What you shouldn't do is take ideas from them and implement them in your game simply because they're popular. You generally should have a good reason for what ideas you take from other games.

QFT.
Looking at competitor to see what works, and what doesn't, is always worthwhile.
Knowing when not to copy others is just as important as knowing when to.
Examples: halo 4 and Alien Colonial Marines.
Both copied CoD for the wrong reasons, both ended up diluting what they were, by trying to be something there not.
Of course, ACM was gearbox, the same guys that brought us Duke Nukem Forever, so it was borked right from the drawing board.