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[Alien Number Six]

I guess it's all about how you feel about Geth. Love them or hate them you must admit they are awesome looking.

[KaiserShep]

silverexile17s wrote...

8 - TIM said the same thing about the Reaper implants. As did Saren. Look how that turned out. History has taught us that taking anything from the Reapers that they don't want us to have is asking to be bitten in the ass. Besides, we never see the actual long-term effects of that code, so we don't know if the Reapers could have eventually hacked the code again. Since they were the one's that wrote it, I assume they would, given half a year or so.

9 - I also remember Shepard telling her to be extremely careful with that code. Don't you think that is a warning bell right there?

No, we don't know what the long-term effects would be, and all we have is Legion's behavior to gauge how the geth would act with the reaper upgrade, but as far as the reaper code is concerned in regards to the geth's susceptibility to the reapers, this is kind of a moot point. As they are, the geth are completely ineffective against them. They are more vulnerable to reaper control than organics are, because all it takes is a broadcast to their platforms and they can be turned against organics again. They would be ill-equipped to join the fleets on earth. Aside from that, with each program being more of a VI intelligence, their likely reduction in numbers facing the reapers would whittle down their effectiveness anyway, and they wouldn't be able to help anyone.

So it isn't just a matter of resolving the standoff with the Quarians. Even if you managed to make peace between the geth and the Quarians without the code, the geth would be doomed in the war anyway. So we can either trust that the geth would be good allies in the war alongside the Quarians once the reapers are neutralized or killed, or we can just decide that they simply cannot be trusted, and permit them to be wiped out once and for all.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 15 août 2013 - 11:58 .

[Alien Number Six]

I don't know much about computers but the Geth are individuals with the code. Doesn't Legion say that every Geth destroyed limits their intelligence? Wouldn't they be stronger with the code?

[KaiserShep]

Yes. With the code, their collective intelligence would be unaffected should many or most of them be destroyed.

[Xilizhra]

One thing is clear: Legion always had the code, but it had several good chances to get Shepard killed, and yet never took any of them. It's obvious from that alone that just having the code does not make one innately vulnerable to Reaper control. Additionally, the entire structure of the code is outright displayed in one cutscene, which would be the perfect time for the suspicious quarian types to point out any structural flaws that made the geth more vulnerable to being hacked by the Reapers, but no one says anything.

[Br3admax]

The Reaper code is self-adapting, so what would be the point? And Legion is unique among the Geth. Using an outlier as a basis for any hypothesis is not good practice.

[KaiserShep]

Legion's platform is unique in that it can house more programs than other geth, but the programs themselves are no different before receiving the reaper upgrades.

[Xilizhra]

Legion's uniqueness is only in containing more programs than other geth platforms; it doesn't change how those programs would be affected.

[o Ventus]

Br3ad wrote...

The Reaper code is self-adapting, so what would be the point? And Legion is unique among the Geth. Using an outlier as a basis for any hypothesis is not good practice.

Tali also uses the term "under Reaper control" (her words) to describe the non-Legion geth while on the dreadnought. Given that Legion is the broadcast output for the Reaper signal, it's entirely possible they didn't wave their magic use their tech to corrupt him in some form. I have no idea why they would need to do this, but it's still more effort than what was put into the arc itself.

Yeah, they didn't really do a good job explaining exactly what the Reaper code actually does besides "IT'S ALIVE!!!"

Modifié par o Ventus, 15 août 2013 - 12:45 .

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Legion's uniqueness is only in containing more programs than other geth platforms; it doesn't change how those programs would be affected.

Any type of outlier is bad was the point, noy that what you said was wrong. I always call such things up to plot. It's never going to be explained either way.

[KaiserShep]

On the Normandy, they do a kind of roundabout explanation by having Legion show a holographic representation of the reaper mind compared to the geth's before the upgrade. I tend to avoid this because it touches on the subject of whether or not it's to be considered beautiful. I'm not a fan of either dialogue choice.

[Br3admax]

Oh you mean the whole, "That's a true A.I." thing? That conversation makes no sense, to me anyway, because Legion only starts acting that way at the very end.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, another reason why I don't explore that dialogue option.

[o Ventus]

KaiserShep wrote...

Yeah, another reason why I don't explore that dialogue option.

I just mash the X button and skip through it.

Seriously, if there was ever a time when a third dialogue pick would have been necessary, that was it.

[KaiserShep]

Something like it being fascinating at the very least. I wouldn't call it beautiful, but I wouldn't want Shepard to be so dismissive of Legion either.

[Alien Number Six]

I recently chose the Geth in a play through. If I mentioned the fact that Legion was helping the Quarians out they refuse to thank it. Tali was dead and I didn't like the fact that Xen and the rest of the Admirals except Koris don't have a collective brain in their head.