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[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Better to just sell Legion and avoid the whole issue.

I usually let Legion live, so that he gives me the chance to annihilate the Heretics. When he fights with Tali, I side with her, despite having the option to resolve the conflict. Then I have him get fried in the suicide mission. No regrets:D

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh yeah, EDI. She killed every single soldier on the entire Luna colony fyi.

That was before reaper tech

.  You really aren't supporting your argument there.

[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...
I will never consider butchering the Quarian race as a Paragon choice, if anything, it's together with killing Mordin/stopping the cure, the most evil choice in the trilogy.

If I was going to sabotage the cure, I'd certainly try to get Mordin to live, but if I'm sabotaging the cure at all, that means Wreav is in charge. I advocate a cure for the genophage, but only under the condition that both Wrex and Bakara are alive to serve as a stabilizing element, otherwise I'd simply use the Krogan as cannon fodder for the war and then leave them to their own devices once it's resolved.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 11 août 2013 - 05:25 .

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

Necanor wrote...
I will never consider butchering the Quarian race as a Paragon choice, if anything, it's together with killing Mordin/stopping the cure, the most evil choice in the trilogy.

If I was going to sabotage the cure, I'd certainly try to get Mordin to live, but if I'm sabotaging the cure at all, that means Wreav is in charge. I advocate a cure for the genophage, but only under the condition that both Wrex and Bakara are alive to serve as a stabilizing element, otherwise I'd simply use the Krogan as cannon fodder for the war and then leave them to their own devices once it's resolved.

With the casualties of the war and no cure in sight, it is unlikely, that the Krogan race will survive very long. If the Rachni are spared, they'll give them the killing blow.

[wolfhowwl]

Necanor wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
I agree that without metagaming you have no idea if the reaper code is save. You have only Legion's word. And Legion has deceived you.

Also your other squad mate in the Geth / Quarian decision just drops completely out of the picture. What happened to Ashley? What happened to Javik? You just killed a reaper. Don't they want to have a look? Tali and Legion go to the cliff, but not Javik. Javik would warn you not to side with the synthetics. Ashley or Kaidan would remind you about Eden Prime. What about Liara? She might advocate peace. Garrus? Probably would remind you about Ilos, Virmire, Noveria. James? Who knows? EDI would definitely advocate for Legion. Given the battle, you probably had a tank with you: that meant the VS, Javik, James, or Garrus

This is why the second squadmate's presence was dropped from the scene. Little backing for the Geth.

I'm guessing squad mate #2 is in that vehicle smoking a blunt.

And why didn't they show paragon Shepard as an ass hat? Paragons can be ass hats.

I will never consider butchering the Quarian race as a Paragon choice, if anything, it's together with killing Mordin/stopping the cure, the most evil choice in the trilogy.

Why is sabotaging the cure evil? You're preventing billions of deaths when the Krogan inevitably run amuck and start dropping asteroids on inhabited worlds...again.

[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...
With the casualties of the war and no cure in sight, it is unlikely, that the Krogan race will survive very long. If the Rachni are spared, they'll give them the killing blow.

It would be unfortunate to leave a species high and dry, but under the condition that Wreav is the dominant clan leader of the Krogan, that is exactly what I would do. Wreav is a violent despot and has no qualms with settling a score with the other races. I would completely side with the Dalatrass in this scenario.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 11 août 2013 - 05:32 .

[Sir DeLoria]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Necanor wrote...
I will never consider butchering the Quarian race as a Paragon choice, if anything, it's together with killing Mordin/stopping the cure, the most evil choice in the trilogy.

Why is sabotaging the cure evil? You're preventing billions of deaths when the Krogan inevitably run amuck and start dropping asteroids on inhabited worlds...again.

And you're dooming the Krogan race in the process. If the Rachni don't kill them, time will.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Necanor wrote...
I will never consider butchering the Quarian race as a Paragon choice, if anything, it's together with killing Mordin/stopping the cure, the most evil choice in the trilogy.

Why is sabotaging the cure evil? You're preventing billions of deaths when the Krogan inevitably run amuck and start dropping asteroids on inhabited worlds...again.

And you're dooming the Krogan race in the process. If the Rachni don't kill them, time will.

.  If Wreav is leading them, good.  Id ratger the krogan go extinct than start a new rebellions.  And the rachni too can snuff it.

[KaiserShep]

There's no indication (or reason for that matter) that the Rachni would suddenly drop from the sky and wipe out the remainder of the Krogan. Doing so, even if to the Krogan, would cause massive alarm to the other species. What would be the point of launching an offensive against a weakened species in council space to begin with? To troll the galaxy? 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 11 août 2013 - 05:38 .

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

There's no indication (or reason for that matter) that the Rachni would suddenly drop from the sky and wipe out the remainder of the Krogan. Doing so, even if to the Krogan, would cause massive alarm to the other species. What would be the point of launching an offensive against a weakened species in council space to begin with? To troll the galaxy? 

Ending slide shows Rachni populating a completely deserted Tuchanka.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Necanor wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
I agree that without metagaming you have no idea if the reaper code is save. You have only Legion's word. And Legion has deceived you.

Also your other squad mate in the Geth / Quarian decision just drops completely out of the picture. What happened to Ashley? What happened to Javik? You just killed a reaper. Don't they want to have a look? Tali and Legion go to the cliff, but not Javik. Javik would warn you not to side with the synthetics. Ashley or Kaidan would remind you about Eden Prime. What about Liara? She might advocate peace. Garrus? Probably would remind you about Ilos, Virmire, Noveria. James? Who knows? EDI would definitely advocate for Legion. Given the battle, you probably had a tank with you: that meant the VS, Javik, James, or Garrus

This is why the second squadmate's presence was dropped from the scene. Little backing for the Geth.

I'm guessing squad mate #2 is in that vehicle smoking a blunt.

And why didn't they show paragon Shepard as an ass hat? Paragons can be ass hats.

I will never consider butchering the Quarian race as a Paragon choice, if anything, it's together with killing Mordin/stopping the cure, the most evil choice in the trilogy.

I fully agree. I would have switched it around. Your orders were to secure the Quarian fleet, but I guess getting the Quarians wasn't touchy-feely enough. They made Legion a sympathetic character. A victim. And they made the Quarians the "evil aggressors" this time. They wanted you to forget everything else.

[KaiserShep]

Legion was a sympathetic character since ME2.

[wolfhowwl]

If you listened to Wrex describe how he controlled the other Krogan clans in ME2, you would have serious reasons to doubt that he'd be able to maintain control after a cure.

There will always be a Wreav since that is what the Krogans are.

[Sir DeLoria]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Necanor wrote...

I will never consider butchering the Quarian race as a Paragon choice, if anything, it's together with killing Mordin/stopping the cure, the most evil choice in the trilogy.

I fully agree. I would have switched it around. Your orders were to secure the Quarian fleet, but I guess getting the Quarians wasn't touchy-feely enough. They made Legion a sympathetic character. A victim. And they made the Quarians the "evil aggressors" this time. They wanted you to forget everything else.

Exactly. Not just are you ignoring your orders and Tali's desperate pleas, but you're betraying your allies in the worst possbile manner. 

Btw, what ever happened to the hundreds of millions of Quarians(and other organics) massacred by the Geth in the Morning War? They weren't mentioned a single time ever since ME2.

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

Legion was a sympathetic character since ME2.

He openly lies to you on multiple occasions. There are few individuals in the series, that I trust less than Legion, he's the epitome of shady.

[Brannon]

I saved the Geth and the Quarians, but after learning the truth of how the Morning War played out, it does make the Quarians slightly less sympathetic. At least those that jumped the gun, overreacted and went the genocide route. I have great respect for the Quarians that tried to defend the young AI Geth. Seeing a confused Geth asking why his old master, who tried to defend him, wasn't function was one of the most touching scenes to me.

[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Legion was a sympathetic character since ME2.

He openly lies to you on multiple occasions. There are few individuals in the series, that I trust less than Legion, he's the epitome of shady.

Refresh my memory, what is this list of lies? Did he lie in ME2 as well? If so, what about? 

[Hazegurl]

As a renegade player (I never play fully paragon). I would be disappointed if Legion/Geth VI didn't try to kill me. He's trying to stop the genocide of his entire "race". A part of me(small part) choose to kill the Quarians because they just stand there and do nothing but beg. Seriously, if they won't put any effort into saving their own species then why should I? But overall, I always pick peace.

[shingara]

How many let the rachni queen go there 1st time through ?

[ThinkSharp]

To the OP-

I'm going to write this from a "Geth Empathy" point of view, though there are obviously multiple ways to interpret and anticipate the motives and outcomes of this choice.

So, bring on the idealism:

In order for change to occur, you first have to believe that something else is possible.

Look at Shepard's Paragon talk-down here: "The Geth don't want to fight you! If you can believe that for just one minute, this war will be over. You have a choice. Please. Keelah Se'lai."

He directs these lines to the Quarians, but it's just as important that the Geth also believe that there is another way, that organics are not forever out to destroy their kind at all costs.

From what is shown us in the trilogy, Shep (depending on playstyle and choice, of course) has been the one and only organic--still in existence--not hostile toward all Geth. That is Shepard, not the Quarians who are the immediate threat at the moment the choice must be made.

Imagine that, as Legion, all organics but one have only shown hostility. Organics, your creators even, are at this very moment about to eradicate your entire people from the universe. You have the power not only to save them but also to uplift them to (what it perceives as) a better existence. What would you do to ensure this?

Now imagine that the one and only organic who could possibly be considered an ally, turns on you and is about to destroy what you consider the last and only hope for your kind.

If you consider all of this, Legion's attack is much more than anger at not getting its way.

It's a bitter fight for survival.

And if Geth could "hope," I'd even dare to say that it's the loss of hope that peace could ever exist with organics.

In that context, the attack makes sense to me.

[KaiserShep]

shingara wrote...

How many let the rachni queen go there 1st time through ?

I did. I figured why the heck not. What better place to let loose a giant dangerous bug than on an icy corrupt cesspool like Noveria? 

[shingara]

KaiserShep wrote...

shingara wrote...

How many let the rachni queen go there 1st time through ?

I did. I figured why the heck not. What better place to let loose a giant dangerous bug than on an icy corrupt cesspool like Noveria? 

 Wasnt till i played ME3 that i thought aaa nuts and redid it all so they wouldnt rebel on the crucible. Would have been cool though to see rachni and geth on the ground in the final mission. I know you can get a geth prime if talis dies but would have been cool all the same.

[KaiserShep]

Not seeing the Rachni on earth was a huge disappointment. All I needed was at least one Rachni soldier taking down a ravager and I would've been pleased. It's also kind of cheap how you can only get the Geth Prime at the resistance HQ if Tali dies. It should be there regardless if peace is established.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 11 août 2013 - 06:19 .

[shingara]

Am i right in thinking there are no geth ships in the flottila heading to earth either ?

[Sir DeLoria]

Brannon wrote...

I saved the Geth and the Quarians, but after learning the truth of how the Morning War played out, it does make the Quarians slightly less sympathetic. At least those that jumped the gun, overreacted and went the genocide route. I have great respect for the Quarians that tried to defend the young AI Geth. Seeing a confused Geth asking why his old master, who tried to defend him, wasn't function was one of the most touching scenes to me.

And then they went full-retard mode and killed every organic, they could get their robotic hands on. Tali says in ME1, that the Geth butchered 99% of the Quarian population, regardless of which side they were on, what age, gender or creed they belonged to. It's briefly mentioned in ME2, how they didn't just target Quarians, but literally any organic being(the Asari, who still grieves about her bondmate, who was killed by the Geth). They did at least spare the few lucky survivors(maybe 1% of the Quarian population) of this madness. Are they not merciful?