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[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I cure the genophage somewhat tentatively. It's a potential threat, but the Reapers are a much greater one, and in any case I believe they deserve a chance. If it doesn't work out, well, they're not remilitarized, so the rest of the galaxy could probably beat them down. However, I will give Wrex and Eve a chance.

Eh, I care for the Krogan more than for the Asari or Salarians. As long, as they don't attack Quarian, Turian or Human territory, they can have their revenge. The Asari and Salarians both only hindered the war effort in my opinion.

You are ignoring the fact that the Turians were the ones that implemented the genophage. You're also ignoring the fact that the Turians also placed a massive bomb under the surface of Tuchanka as a backup plan in case the Krogan caused further aggression. If the Krogan were to seek revenge, the Turians would be first on their to-kill list, and that would immediately involve the other species, including the humans and just about any other ally, which would also include the Quarians, because aside from the Krogan pummeling Palaven, they would also expand and establish strongholds in all of council space. This would also include the Citadel. Human leadership would object to the Krogan's actions, and this would make them a target too. Look at what happened when the Krogan ceased negotiations with the council during the Krogan rebellions. These species do not live in some kind of societal vacuum if there's to be a stable galactic civilization.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 août 2013 - 04:43 .

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Eh, I care for the Krogan more than for the Asari or Salarians. As long, as they don't attack Quarian, Turian or Human territory, they can have their revenge. The Asari and Salarians both only hindered the war effort in my opinion.

You are ignoring the fact that the Turians were the ones that implemented the genophage. You're also ignoring the fact that the Turians also placed a massive bomb under the surface of Tuchanka as a backup plan in case the Krogan caused further aggression. If the Krogan were to seek revenge, the Turians would be first on their to-kill list, and that would immediately involve the other species, including the humans and just about any other ally, which would also include the Quarians. These species do not live in some kind of societal vacuum if there's to be a stable galactic society.

Would the Krogan attack the Turians after their help in the war? Of course the Turians are the most responsible for the genophage and the bomb, but the Krogan seem to shift the responsibility towards the Salarians. 

Both the Humans and Quarians are mutual allies, I doubt the Krogan would attack either.

In any event, Wreave is hot headed and not too bright. If he picked a fight with the Turians, Salarians and Asari(plus potential allies), he would inevitably doom the Krogan race.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I cure the genophage somewhat tentatively. It's a potential threat, but the Reapers are a much greater one, and in any case I believe they deserve a chance. If it doesn't work out, well, they're not remilitarized, so the rest of the galaxy could probably beat them down. However, I will give Wrex and Eve a chance.

Eh, I care for the Krogan more than for the Asari or Salarians. As long, as they don't attack Quarian, Turian or Human territory, they can have their revenge. The Asari and Salarians both only hindered the war effort in my opinion.

My Reapers will stop any and all attempts at revenge if they try to flare up, but I'll hope it doesn't need to come to that.

Down with big brother down with big brother down with big brother down with big brother

[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...
Would the Krogan attack the Turians after their help in the war? Of course the Turians are the most responsible for the genophage and the bomb, but the Krogan seem to shift the responsibility towards the Salarians. 

Both the Humans and Quarians are mutual allies, I doubt the Krogan would attack either.

In any event, Wreave is hot headed and not too bright. If he picked a fight with the Turians, Salarians and Asari(plus potential allies), he would inevitably doom the Krogan race.

It doesn't really matter who the Krogan leave alone as they attack another council species. All of them would object, because such an action is absolutely unacceptable. None of them would sit idly by and allow the Krogan to lay waste to a council homeworld, and that objection would make them targets of Krogan aggression. Maybe Shepard would be a jerk and shrug it off, but this won't affect how the others feel about it.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 août 2013 - 04:57 .

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Would the Krogan attack the Turians after their help in the war? Of course the Turians are the most responsible for the genophage and the bomb, but the Krogan seem to shift the responsibility towards the Salarians. 

Both the Humans and Quarians are mutual allies, I doubt the Krogan would attack either.

In any event, Wreave is hot headed and not too bright. If he picked a fight with the Turians, Salarians and Asari(plus potential allies), he would inevitably doom the Krogan race.

It doesn't really matter who the Krogan leave alone as they attack another council species. All of them would object. None of them would sit idly by and allow the Krogan to lay waste to a council homeworld, and that objection would make them targets of Krogan aggression.

True, thus leading presumably to a quick Krogan demise.

[KaiserShep]

And as the Krogan leadership lacks for wisdom and foresight, a continued genophage and extinction under Wreav's poor guidance would be worth it to avoid the risk they pose.

But a "quick demise" is not what would happen. With the ability to procreate at full capacity, their numbers can be replenished as quickly as they're taken. They would direct their efforts toward the Turians, Asari, and ultimately the humans and anyone else who opposes their actions. The Quarians would no doubt run back to the Far Rim to stay as far away from that madness as possible, since they are the most sensitive to warfare, but it would no doubt be millions of deaths before the Krogan are put down, provided they don't succeed in wiping out the Turians, Salarians and Asari.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 août 2013 - 05:08 .

[Steelcan]

I say let the krogan have Lusia, and Thessia, and any other asari world they want.

[KaiserShep]

Any homeworld they take from a major species in the galactic society means war for everyone, including Earth. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 août 2013 - 05:10 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

KaiserShep wrote...

Any homeworld they take from a major species in the galactic society means war for everyone, including Earth. 

Not if everyone but the Asari is backing them.

Hell, I think Steelcan would have the Turians and alliance helping the Krogan with the war.

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

And as the Krogan leadership lacks for wisdom and foresight, a continued genophage and extinction under Wreav's poor guidance would be worth it to avoid the risk they pose.

But a "quick demise" is not what would happen. With the ability to procreate at full capacity, their numbers can be replenished as quickly as they're taken. They would direct their efforts toward the Turians, Asari, and ultimately the humans and anyone else who opposes their actions. The Quarians would no doubt run back to the Far Rim to stay as far away from that madness as possible, since they are the most sensitive to warfare, but it would no doubt be millions of deaths before the Krogan are put down, provided they don't succeed in wiping out the Turians, Salarians and Asari.

A combined orbital bombardment of the Quarian, Alliance, Turian, Salarian and Asari fleets should suffice in a worst case scenario. Remember, the Krogan don't have ships yet.

The Quarians are sensible to frontline warfare, but with their homeworld back, they could provide hundreds of cruisers and multiple marine divisions.

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Any homeworld they take from a major species in the galactic society means war for everyone, including Earth. 

Not if everyone but the Asari is backing them.

Hell, I think Steelcan would have the Turians and alliance helping the Krogan with the war.

Hmm, Steel would have a good point...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Any homeworld they take from a major species in the galactic society means war for everyone, including Earth. 

Not if everyone but the Asari is backing them.

Hell, I think Steelcan would have the Turians and alliance helping the Krogan with the war.

Hmm, Steel would have a good point...

Hey, I confine the Quarians to the Tikkun system for the time being in my ending. In all honesty, they barely have enough people for a few major cities. They don't need any more than what they have. 

I also have the vast majority of their fleet get dismantled. The Geth meanwhile get to keep all of their current holdings. All systems they inhabit are kept by the Geth.

[dreamgazer]

Disregard. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 14 août 2013 - 05:41 .

[KaiserShep]

Galactic politics is an ugly business...

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 août 2013 - 05:24 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

KaiserShep wrote...

Galactic politics is an ugly business...

In my headcanon, the Asari aren't quite exterminated or enslaved or whatever like Steelcan's...

But the Asari do suffer a tremendous fall from grace as Shepard, as part of his own agenda to do things differently, lets it known what the Asari did with the Prothean Beacons. And he personally holds them all responsible collectively. Not that he's racist towards them, but he enjoys seeing them knocked down so many levels.

It's going to be a loooonnnnggg time before anyone trusts them again. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 14 août 2013 - 05:29 .

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Any homeworld they take from a major species in the galactic society means war for everyone, including Earth. 

Not if everyone but the Asari is backing them.

Hell, I think Steelcan would have the Turians and alliance helping the Krogan with the war.

You know it 

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Not if everyone but the Asari is backing them.

Hell, I think Steelcan would have the Turians and alliance helping the Krogan with the war.

Hmm, Steel would have a good point...

Hey, I confine the Quarians to the Tikkun system for the time being in my ending. In all honesty, they barely have enough people for a few major cities. They don't need any more than what they have. 

I also have the vast majority of their fleet get dismantled. The Geth meanwhile get to keep all of their current holdings. All systems they inhabit are kept by the Geth.

Geth? I thought you picked High ems destroy?

Well in my headcanon, the Quarians become the most important species in the council with Shep's help. But I think you saw that coming;)

[Cainhurst Crow]

StreetMagic wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Is it just me or are there very few options in the game where a player can express regret or guilt over their actions?

Seems like there aren't many.

I haven't read all of this thread, but if you're referring to destroying Maelon's data, that's the only one that comes to mind at the moment. I recall Shepard expressing regret to Wrex about Eve's death. The funny thing is, Wrex is all mad about this, but if you go back to ME2, Maelon says that Wrex didn't have the stomach for his type of experiments, so he went to Clan Weyrloc. Fast forward to ME3 and Wrex chews my ass out for something he didn't want to happen in the first place.

Probably didn't know the whole story and was acting out of grief.

[shodiswe]

The problem is, if you deny Legion the chance to upload the code his whole species will be destroyed because their enemy has the upperhand and isn't ready to talk.

Legion didn't need to tell you he wanted to upload the code, it coudl just have done it from the Vehicle and noone woudl have known until Quarian ships started falling out of the sky and desperate Quarian signals filled every com channel.

Legion told you because it thought you would understand it's need to save it's people.

Saying no is the same as tellign Legion. "You and your whole people deserves to die, now shutup and die."

I think most people would attack in that situation. It's called betrayal, you are Legions friend or at least Legion thought you were no matter what you thought of it, and now you want to kill it and all of it's people.

No matter how much of a hero, friend or idol Shepard might be to Legion it makes sense that he/it attacks when you condem his/it's people every last one of them to death.

Also if I remember corectly the attack wasn't instant, Legion tried to argue the point before deciding it had to act in it's own and it's peoples survial interest.

The code also makes them mroe effective when fighting the Reapers, makign them more resistant to manipulation and improves their processing power affecting their strategic and tactical aswell as the speed at which they are able to adapt to whatever the Reapers throw at them.

Also, remember that Asari on the embasy that needed a piece of Reaper code to analyse their strategies. The Geth can probably use the code in a similar way.

Modifié par shodiswe, 14 août 2013 - 10:52 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Not if everyone but the Asari is backing them.

Hell, I think Steelcan would have the Turians and alliance helping the Krogan with the war.

Hmm, Steel would have a good point...

Hey, I confine the Quarians to the Tikkun system for the time being in my ending. In all honesty, they barely have enough people for a few major cities. They don't need any more than what they have. 

I also have the vast majority of their fleet get dismantled. The Geth meanwhile get to keep all of their current holdings. All systems they inhabit are kept by the Geth.

Geth? I thought you picked High ems destroy?

Well in my headcanon, the Quarians become the most important species in the council with Shep's help. But I think you saw that coming;)

I wrote my own canon ending. Obviously, I wouldn't have controlled because I would have wiped out the Krogan, Quarians, and Asari already.

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Geth? I thought you picked High ems destroy?

Well in my headcanon, the Quarians become the most important species in the council with Shep's help. But I think you saw that coming;)

I wrote my own canon ending. Obviously, I wouldn't have controlled because I would have wiped out the Krogan, Quarians, and Asari already.

Says the guy who 'doesn't hate the Quarians'

Yeah, I've heard of your own headcanon, in which you let Tali be brutally ripped to pieces<_<

[Ledgend1221]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Geth? I thought you picked High ems destroy?

Well in my headcanon, the Quarians become the most important species in the council with Shep's help. But I think you saw that coming;)

I wrote my own canon ending. Obviously, I wouldn't have controlled because I would have wiped out the Krogan, Quarians, and Asari already.

Says the guy who 'doesn't hate the Quarians'

Yeah, I've heard of your own headcanon, in which you let Tali be brutally ripped to pieces<_<

Wanna' hear mine?

[shit's fucked cunts]

Necanor wrote...

Yeah, I've heard of your own headcanon, in which you let Tali be brutally ripped to pieces<_<

Ah, join the club, mate.

I remember a guy requesting a Renegade interrupt that resulted in Liara "drowning in her own blood."

Don't let it get to ya.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 14 août 2013 - 02:39 .