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[KaiserShep]

I guess it's a good thing that fans don't dictate the course of the games too much. *Renegade interrupt - Jacob's intestines suddenly burst out of his abdomen*

[Sir DeLoria]

shodiswe wrote...

"You and your whole people deserves to die, now shutup and die."

That is exactly what I wanted to tell him. Revenge for Jenkins, Ash, Tali's team on Haestrom and every Quarian civilian murdered in the Morning War. Too bad the game doesn't let you crush the Geth in a more satisfying way:devil:

[KaiserShep]

Not every civilian killed during the Morning War was killed by the geth. I guess collective responsibility only goes one way.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 août 2013 - 02:46 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Zazzerka wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Yeah, I've heard of your own headcanon, in which you let Tali be brutally ripped to pieces<_<

Ah, join the club, mate.

I remember a guy requesting a Renegade interrupt that resulted in Liara "drowning in her own blood."

Don't let it get to ya.

Yeah, haters gonna hate.

The last creative one I heard was "ripping Tali's suit off and throwing her to a pack of Vorcha". A few other ones are to graphic or even sexual to be written here:unsure:

[KaiserShep]

Never underestimate the power of cynicism, bloodlust, and the catalyst that is the internet.

[Ledgend1221]

My favorite involves an A-10 and some C4.

[Sir DeLoria]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

My favorite involves an A-10 and some C4.

You can write? I thought the only words you knew were 'GI', 'scrub' and 'noob'.

[Ledgend1221]

Necanor wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

My favorite involves an A-10 and some C4.

You can write? I thought the only words you knew were 'GI', 'scrub' and 'noob'.

I'm insulted.
No really.

Nah, but I never say "noob" you scrub.
GI > Tali.

[Xilizhra]

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

"You and your whole people deserves to die, now shutup and die."

That is exactly what I wanted to tell him. Revenge for Jenkins, Ash, Tali's team on Haestrom and every Quarian civilian murdered in the Morning War. Too bad the game doesn't let you crush the Geth in a more satisfying way:devil:

Aren't you doing exactly the same thing you decry?

[CronoDragoon]

Not seeing the connection between Jenkins and Legion, unless you want to kill for the failure to prevent him dying, which is some seriously shady Two-Face logic.

[Sir DeLoria]

Xilizhra wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

"You and your whole people deserves to die, now shutup and die."

That is exactly what I wanted to tell him. Revenge for Jenkins, Ash, Tali's team on Haestrom and every Quarian civilian murdered in the Morning War. Too bad the game doesn't let you crush the Geth in a more satisfying way:devil:

Aren't you doing exactly the same thing you decry?

Geth don't have civilians, Geth aren't living beings, Geth deserve death for what they did. Let's not make this into another Pinocchio thread though.

[KaiserShep]

Your opinion of the geth does not invalidate Xilizhra's point. You object to someone else's head-canonizing of Tali's brutal death, but turn around and wish the same for Legion, simply because it's a geth. Whether or not you think it counts as a living thing is immaterial to the fact that this is somewhat hypocritical.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 août 2013 - 03:10 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

My favorite involves an A-10 and some C4.

You can write? I thought the only words you knew were 'GI', 'scrub' and 'noob'.

I'm insulted.
No really.

Nah, but I never say "noob" you scrub.
GI > Tali.

QFE or QM > GI

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

Your opinion of the geth does not invalidate Xilizhra's point. You object to someone else's head-canonizing of Tali's brutal death, but turn around and wish the same for Legion, simply because it's a geth. Whether or not you think it counts as a living thing is immaterial to the fact that this is somewhat hypocritical.

It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, I hoped the twisted smily had indicated that. But yeah, it is pretty hypocritical.

[Br3admax]

I kill them both, so everyone gets a "brutal death."

[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Your opinion of the geth does not invalidate Xilizhra's point. You object to someone else's head-canonizing of Tali's brutal death, but turn around and wish the same for Legion, simply because it's a geth. Whether or not you think it counts as a living thing is immaterial to the fact that this is somewhat hypocritical.

It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, I hoped the twisted smily had indicated that. But yeah, it is pretty hypocritical.

Fair enough. I just take slight issue with any insistence on having various character die horrible deaths for no real reason other than to satiate one's dislike for the character, even if the character has been nothing but a helpful entity for the protagonist.

[Xilizhra]

Necanor wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

"You and your whole people deserves to die, now shutup and die."

That is exactly what I wanted to tell him. Revenge for Jenkins, Ash, Tali's team on Haestrom and every Quarian civilian murdered in the Morning War. Too bad the game doesn't let you crush the Geth in a more satisfying way:devil:

Aren't you doing exactly the same thing you decry?

Geth don't have civilians, Geth aren't living beings, Geth deserve death for what they did. Let's not make this into another Pinocchio thread though.

It's funny that you supposedly like Tali, because you've managed to fantastically miss the point of her character arc, along with that of the quarians in general.

[Sir DeLoria]

Xilizhra wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Necanor wrote...
That is exactly what I wanted to tell him. Revenge for Jenkins, Ash, Tali's team on Haestrom and every Quarian civilian murdered in the Morning War. Too bad the game doesn't let you crush the Geth in a more satisfying way:devil:

Aren't you doing exactly the same thing you decry?

Geth don't have civilians, Geth aren't living beings, Geth deserve death for what they did. Let's not make this into another Pinocchio thread though.

It's funny that you supposedly like Tali, because you've managed to fantastically miss the point of her character arc, along with that of the quarians in general.

I know her changed stance on Legion, that is the one thing where I disagree with her. Of course only if you keep Legion alive, I usually either kill him in the Collector Base or just sell him to Cerberus. Xen and Gerrel are fanatic, but they are partially right. It's true, many Quarians view AIs as living beings, but they still dislike and distrust them more than anyone else(with more than good reason).

Modifié par Necanor, 14 août 2013 - 03:36 .

[Ledgend1221]

Necanor wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

My favorite involves an A-10 and some C4.

You can write? I thought the only words you knew were 'GI', 'scrub' and 'noob'.

I'm insulted.
No really.

Nah, but I never say "noob" you scrub.
GI > Tali.

QFE or QM > GI

Scrub

[RZIBARA]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

My favorite involves an A-10 and some C4.

You can write? I thought the only words you knew were 'GI', 'scrub' and 'noob'.

I'm insulted.
No really.

Nah, but I never say "noob" you scrub.
GI > Tali.

QFE or QM > GI

Scrub

ledgend plsss

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

My favorite involves an A-10 and some C4.

You can write? I thought the only words you knew were 'GI', 'scrub' and 'noob'.

I'm insulted.
No really.

Nah, but I never say "noob" you scrub.
GI > Tali.

QFE or QM > GI

Bull****, the DPS from the GI with the Javelin ****s up everything.

[rekn2]

whats GI?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

rekn2 wrote...

whats GI?

Geth Infiltrator.

[silverexile17s]

shodiswe wrote...

The problem is, if you deny Legion the chance to upload the code his whole species will be destroyed because their enemy has the upperhand and isn't ready to talk.

Legion didn't need to tell you he wanted to upload the code, it coudl just have done it from the Vehicle and noone woudl have known until Quarian ships started falling out of the sky and desperate Quarian signals filled every com channel.

Legion told you because it thought you would understand it's need to save it's people.

Saying no is the same as tellign Legion. "You and your whole people deserves to die, now shutup and die."

I think most people would attack in that situation. It's called betrayal, you are Legions friend or at least Legion thought you were no matter what you thought of it, and now you want to kill it and all of it's people.

No matter how much of a hero, friend or idol Shepard might be to Legion it makes sense that he/it attacks when you condem his/it's people every last one of them to death.

Also if I remember corectly the attack wasn't instant, Legion tried to argue the point before deciding it had to act in it's own and it's peoples survial interest.

The code also makes them mroe effective when fighting the Reapers, makign them more resistant to manipulation and improves their processing power affecting their strategic and tactical aswell as the speed at which they are able to adapt to whatever the Reapers throw at them.

Also, remember that Asari on the embasy that needed a piece of Reaper code to analyse their strategies. The Geth can probably use the code in a similar way.

Dude, are you ever going to let the "quarian vs geth" thing go?
1 - The same exact thing can be said about the quarians. If you deny Tali the chance to let them attack, they're whole species will be wiped out. Equal and opposate reaction -- equal fault, equal outcome. Besides, the geth have the same exact problem in the "isn't ready to talk" problem, and maintained the "upper hand' over them for 300 years, so that all balances out. Neither side - quarian or geth - were ready to talk. Plain and simple.

2 - No he couldn't. Don't you remember the part where Legion expains that the upgrade is only possible now that the Reaper is dead? Otherwise, the Reaper would have just regained control of the geth. He says it's only possible when the Reaper is dead. Otherwise, he (or the Geth V.I.) would have done so. But again, what would that say about Legion's trustworthyness? I can see the V.I. doing that, but you're saying Legion would decieve Shepard like that, huh? Because right now, you've just accused Legion of being a complete dick:bandit:
And I remind you that again, same deal for the quarians -- Xen could have had Raan or Gerrel or some other quarian "security force" confinscate Legion and sabotage him with some geth kill-virus from the start, but don't. Tali and Legion both have too much mutual respect for Shepard and each-other for that. Neither of them want's to decieve Shepard, and neither of them wanted this war, or to see either one's species wiped out. You once again make the complete and utter mistake of trying to say the war was based on racial hate when it had nothing to do with that -- it was desperation, and lack of faith in the other side that led to this. Not hate, and not racisim, and certainly not genocide.

3 - It's not about deception. Legion doesn't see any other alternitive because he doesn't think the quarians will back down. Legion has the same mentalaty the quarians had when starting the war -- "they won't ever willingly back down, so we have no choice but to force it." Legion's not some anti-hero taking "justice" -- he's scared and desperate, and just wants his people to live. He's facing his own version of the "Destroy" ending choice -- "do I sacrifice these people to save mine? I don't want to, but what other choice have I got?" That's the long and short of why Legion was uploading the Reaper Code.

4 - Same thing with Tali. Letting him upload the Code is like telling Tali "You and your whole people deserves to die, now shutup and die." Once again, equal cause and effect. Stop trying to protray one side as a "justified genocide." Neither is "justified." I can understand the ideal of "necessary," but only in the worst, last case scenerio, and certainly not as a "justified" responce.

5 - Same exact deal for Tali. Tali stuck with you through all three games, through Saren's attack, the theft of the Normandy, the hunt for the Collectors, and the partnership with the anti-alien Cerberus, and can potentally be your lover. She also, just as much thought of you as a friend no matter what, and you don't think turning around and saying "I'm sorry" as your race burns is any less a betrayal to her? 
Like I said - equal cause and effect. Stop trying to act like one betrayal is any worse then another. Betraying either one is horrible. End of story.

6 - Tali doesn't. She commits suicide instead. She knows that it would be "neccessary" to save one race over the other. And what does Legion stand to gain from attacking now? Because that would only validate the public ideal among the quarians, and the rest of the entire galaxy, that the geth will screw friends over to save themselves instead of trying to find a better option. Tali couldn't think of one, so she gave up and accepted death. Legion simply got frustrated and panicked. At that point, after being intrupted once, it would never have been able to complete the upload from scratch again. It's over.

7 - And in the end, attacking didn't solve anything because the upload was already broken and had to be re-commenced. It was already too late. Attacking Shepard solved nothing, and was just a frustrated responce. After all, Legion had evolved personal emotions by that point -- you think he would have been able to handle that flood of emotional responce in such a stessful stituation?

8 - TIM said the same thing about the Reaper implants. As did Saren. Look how that turned out. History has taught us that taking anything from the Reapers that they don't want us to have is asking to be bitten in the ass. Besides, we never see the actual long-term effects of that code, so we don't know if the Reapers could have eventually hacked the code again. Since they were the one's that wrote it, I assume they would, given half a year or so.

9 - I also remember Shepard telling her to be extremely careful with that code. Don't you think that is a warning bell right there?