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[July R. Legend]

Oh wow! No one has made a post about this yet? How surprising! Then it's time to create (or possibly revive) the subject.

What is the tier list for Dragon Age Origins anyway? This is something I've always wondered since finishing the completing the game for the first time. This isn't about weapon tiers; it's about which of the Grey Warden's companions have the overall best capability of handling any combat situation. There's got to be at least over 1000 different strategies & tactics you can do in this game, more ways to approach than we can even count, which makes a tier list really difficult to create. 

If it's anything I learned during my experience of this game  its that there's no "bad" character in Dragon Age Origins. You may have ranged attack problem with Dog, and not many customization options with Loghain. But in the end, anyone can be turned into a killing machine with the right customizations and equipment. Part of the tier feels like it's more Class Vs. Class -- Warrior Vs. Mage Vs. Rogue Vs. Dog rather than a specific character being fully dominate since every character can learn everything from own class. There are a few items in the game however that can only be equipped by certain characters so that is something to take note of. Wither or not it affects the tier positions though is unknown. All my speculations are invaild though since I can't play Nightmare difficulty, which also makes me unworthy of creating a tier list. And that's where the BSN comes into play; the site with godlike players and people who know just about everything there is to Origins. You know... the site of awesomeness! Your help will be most appreciated!

It seems fair to seperate the DLC away from the original game since its a whole new item list all-together, and Shale doesn't exist without it. Doubt the tier will change much between the two but nevertheless, it will remain seperated. The Grey Warden (character) is not included in the list for obvious reasons.

Tier is affected by Class, abilities for their class, restricted items for only specific characters to equip (example; Morrigan is the only one who can wear "Morrigan's Robes"), bonus attributes given by having a high approval, and skered leveling caused by not having said "character" among all your companions when the player levels up.

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Winners determined by survivalability of all battles overall. Secondary factors also include Talents/Spells, Class Customization & level up,  equipment, and the amount of strategies they can be used in.

No DLC (last updated 09, 4, 13)
1. Morrigan
2. Wynne
3. Leliana
4. Alistair
5. Zevran
6. Oghren
7. Sten
8. Loghain
9. Dog


With All DLC  (last updated 09, 4, 13)
1. Morrigan
2. Wynne
3. Leliana
4. Shale 
5. Alistair
6. Zevran
7. Oghren
8. Sten
9. Loghain
10. Dog


If anyone feel that the tier is incorrect please share. I especially want to hear from those who play Nightmare difficulty as they are truely the ones that know which characters are great. Even if you don't play Nightmare please share anyway. I would like to hear it, it doesn't hurt to learn new strategies. The list will be updated every other day until a final verdict is reached.

Alternatively, if there is a tier list (official or unoffical/forum) that was already posted by someone then please send the link. I would like to see it.

Modifié par July R. Legend, 05 septembre 2013 - 02:29 .

[keeneaow]

For me, the dog comes at last place, because it has barely any upgrades in equipment,
it can be of use in beginning, but quickly becomes obsolete.
Followed at the bottom by the two-handers Sten & Ohgren, they spend most of their time building up for a swing next month.

At the top i place Morrigan & Wynne, since they are the only ones that can be Arcane Warriors,
generally considered to be the overpowered class.
Altho i dont agree for a single second, many like wynnes healing,
i think the reason i'm not impressed is the fact that i play AW myself, so i dont need healing,
nor do i need any companion, for that matter.

Modifié par keeneaow, 11 août 2013 - 12:05 .

[July R. Legend]

keeneaow wrote...

For me, the dog comes at last place, because it has barely any upgrades in equipment,
it can be of use in beginning, but quickly becomes obsolete.
Followed at the bottom by the two-handers Sten & Ohgren, they spend most of their time building up for a swing next month.

At the top i place Morrigan & Wynne, since they are the only ones that can be Arcane Warriors,
generally considered to be the overpowered class.
Altho i dont agree for a single second, many like wynnes healing,
i think the reason i'm not impressed is the fact that i play AW myself, so i dont need healing,
nor do i need any companion, for that matter.

Dog is high because it's proven useful as a tank character. Perfect for distracting High Dragons and other majorly powerful enemies while you pick it apart from a far with your mages and archers. And because you get Dog so early you get more control of it's leveling.
Point taken on the AW, Wymme moves up. 

Modifié par July R. Legend, 12 août 2013 - 03:57 .

[Blazomancer]

I'm not sure if such a list is actually possible to make. Different classes have their own set of abilities tailored towards different purpose. So when we say 'combat situation', it's the whole team which is responding to the situation as a cohesive unit. Cross class comparison is more or less a futile endeavour, as there's always an argument to be made otherwise. For instance, Oghren at the bottom of your list is a very good off-tank being a 2H warrior, & will have more survivability than the mabari. Similarly Leli or Zev are more likely to be sitting ducks when a bunch of archers are releasing Scattershots consecutively.

My opinion on the topic would be that all the companions are equally effective for any combat situation, when working in a team having the combat effective capabilities - aggro management, crowd control, mobility, trap-disarming, assassination, dps (melee as well as ranged), anti-magic, buffing-healing.

[July R. Legend]

Blazomancer wrote...

Oghren at the bottom of your list is a very good off-tank being a 2H warrior, & will have more survivability than the mabari.

Aw,  your arguement puts Dog at dead bottom. 

[Fallstar]

Unless you have a respec mod, Zevran is not particularly effective due to him being auto levelled up to at least ~ level 8-10 by the time you get him. Other than that I couldn't say - with the respec mod every companion can be made very lethal. Particularly if you can sell the reaper's cudgel reward from the Amgarrak DLC and buy them top tier gear.

[dainbramage]

1. Wynne (taken early)
2. Morrigan
3. Leliana
4. Sten (with 2 spec mod)
4/5. Shale
5/6. Alistair
6. Sten (without 2 spec mod)
7. Zevran
8. Oghren
9. Loghain
10. Dog

Based mostly on

-Mages are kind of overpowered. Vessel of the spirit puts Wynne over Morrigan, but if you don't do the circle early then she's a lot weaker
-The earlier you get someone the better they are, because the automatic stat allocation is atrocious. This is why zevran, oghren and loghain are so low
-SnS is the worst warrior tree IMO (combine this and the one above, and loghain is, well, not recommended)
-Dog is, well, dog. Lack of talents and equipment costs it for obvious reasons.

Modifié par dainbramage, 16 août 2013 - 07:52 .

[July R. Legend]

dainbramage wrote...

1. Wynne (taken early)
2. Morrigan
3. Leliana
4. Sten (with 2 spec mod)
4/5. Shale
5/6. Alistair
6. Sten (without 2 spec mod)
7. Zevran
8. Oghren
9. Loghain
10. Dog

Based mostly on

-Mages are kind of overpowered. Vessel of the spirit puts Wynne over Morrigan, but if you don't do the circle early then she's a lot weaker
-The earlier you get someone the better they are, because the automatic stat allocation is atrocious. This is why zevran, oghren and loghain are so low
-SnS is the worst warrior tree IMO (combine this and the one above, and loghain is, well, not recommended)
-Dog is, well, dog. Lack of talents and equipment costs it for obvious reasons.

Oh wow, I forgot all about Loghain. My bad.  I'll add him on immediately. Zevran gets a drop, and Wymme gets another buff.

[July R. Legend]

I'll need more convincing before I knock off Leliana from her top spot. Exclusive to the strongest bow in the game (Marjolaine Recurve), and having Song of Courage when combined with the other Rogues using Song of Courage makes her quite a useful character indeed. Plus, Rogues can everything except attack through walls like mages can.

[keeneaow]

I never got it myself, but i have read that wynne gets a very powerful boost with 'vessel of the spirit'

http://dragonage.wik...l_of_the_Spirit

Modifié par keeneaow, 19 août 2013 - 02:31 .

[dainbramage]

July R. Legend wrote...

I'll need more convincing before I knock off Leliana from her top spot. Exclusive to the strongest bow in the game (Marjolaine Recurve), and having Song of Courage when combined with the other Rogues using Song of Courage makes her quite a useful character indeed. Plus, Rogues can everything except attack through walls like mages can.

Marjorlaine's isn't the best bow. Far Song is the best by a mile. I'd also definitely rate Sorrows of Arlathan ahead of it, and probably Bregan's Bow and Whitewood Bow as well.

As for rogues doing everything mages can... I respectfully disagree. Rogues can't match mana clash against enemy mages. Or paralysis explosion/blood wound/waking nightmare for crowd control. Or VWB/Fireball/Blood Wound/Cones for killing masses of enemies. Or the creation tree for party support. Or AW line for tankiness.

[July R. Legend]

dainbramage wrote...


As for rogues doing everything mages can... I respectfully disagree. Rogues can't match mana clash against enemy mages. Or paralysis explosion/blood wound/waking nightmare for crowd control. Or VWB/Fireball/Blood Wound/Cones for killing masses of enemies. Or the creation tree for party support. Or AW line for tankiness.

And we have another two winners! Leliana drops; Morrigan and Wymme move up.

[BlazingSpeed]

Wow, even with the vanilla game there are just wayy too many variables how exactly does this tier list work in most fighting game tier lists the lists pit each fighter against another and the fighter most likely to win the fight goes higher on the list.

Based on the first page of posts in this topic it seem like survivability and damage per second abilities are the deciding factors is that true?

Modifié par BlazingSpeed, 24 août 2013 - 04:59 .

[keeneaow]

As the thread creator stated it:
"it's* about which of the Grey Warden's companions have the overall best
capability of handling any combat situatiuon. There's got to be at least
over 1000 different strategies & tactics you can do in this game,
more ways to approach than we can even count, which makes a tier list
really difficult to create."

To me that mean: out of the 200 fights in the game, which caracter has proven to consistently
survive and defeat monsters, bosses, mages, and waves of groups alike

*it's = The thread

[jedidotflow]

OP, why do you keep calling her "Wymme"?

[July R. Legend]

jedi.flow wrote...

OP, why do you keep calling her "Wymme"?

typo  lol

[TBastian]

Without respec Morrigan wins. Vessel of the Spirit makes Wynne hit harder, but doesn't change how Morrigan will have a significant advantage over her thanks to the sheer number of spells Morrigan can take earlier. So while Wynne's Cone of Cold will hit harder, Morrigan will be able to cast Cone of Cold plus Flame Blast and Fireball so in the end she'll hit harder anyway. By the time Wynne gets Fireball Morrigan will have Sleep, Force Field (one of the best spells in the game) and will have possibly picked Spirit Healer and taken Group Heal.
Overall Morrigan has a whopping 6 spell advantage (Winter's Grasp, Ice Weapons which lead to Cone of Cold; Lightning which will give you Shock and Tempest; Mind Blast which leads to Force Field; Disorient, Horror which leads to Sleep) over Wynne. All of these spells are mainstays - Fireball/Cone of Cold/Shock/Flame Blast are all part ofthe main rotation of dedicated nukers, and Force Field is Force Field. Only Sleep is situational.
Meanwhile, Wynne has a mere 1 spell advantage (Arcane Bolt, which gives you Arcane Shield). Heal, Group Heal, Glyph of Paralysis and Rock Armor all have no spell requirements so Wynne gets nothing by having those (Morrigan can simply take them on her next level up). Wynne does have an extra 2 spell advantage if feel like taking Haste.
Finally, Morrigan can level Herbalism faster than the PC or Wynne. If you know the value of Potent Lyrium Potions, then you know that this means Morrigan will give you more gold earlier and ultimately better getter gear earlier.

Obviously with respec Wynne has no equal. She'll be better at everything - offense, defense, being an Arcane Warrior, crafting, etc. She even has the potential to be better than your PC. Not bad for a woman her age.

Modifié par TBastian, 02 septembre 2013 - 11:33 .

[July R. Legend]

TBastian wrote...

Without respec Morrigan wins. Vessel of the Spirit makes Wynne hit harder, but doesn't change how Morrigan will have a significant advantage over her thanks to the sheer number of spells Morrigan can take earlier. So while Wynne's Cone of Cold will hit harder, Morrigan will be able to cast Cone of Cold plus Flame Blast and Fireball so in the end she'll hit harder anyway. By the time Wynne gets Fireball Morrigan will have Sleep, Force Field (one of the best spells in the game) and will have possibly picked Spirit Healer and taken Group Heal.
Overall Morrigan has a whopping 6 spell advantage (Winter's Grasp, Ice Weapons which lead to Cone of Cold; Lightning which will give you Shock and Tempest; Mind Blast which leads to Force Field; Disorient, Horror which leads to Sleep) over Wynne. All of these spells are mainstays - Fireball/Cone of Cold/Shock/Flame Blast are all part ofthe main rotation of dedicated nukers, and Force Field is Force Field. Only Sleep is situational.
Meanwhile, Wynne has a mere 1 spell advantage (Arcane Bolt, which gives you Arcane Shield). Heal, Group Heal, Glyph of Paralysis and Rock Armor all have no spell requirements so Wynne gets nothing by having those (Morrigan can simply take them on her next level up). Wynne does have an extra 2 spell advantage if feel like taking Haste.
Finally, Morrigan can level Herbalism faster than the PC or Wynne. If you know the value of Potent Lyrium Potions, then you know that this means Morrigan will give you more gold earlier and ultimately better getter gear earlier.

Congrats! Morrigan's 6 spell advantage is now on top.