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[rekn2]

seeing as how you cant search in the group section can some one tell me if theres an edi fan group?

[crimzontearz]

not sure but she usually gets a lot of hate so.....

[David7204]

That's what happens to mandatory squadmates, unfortunately.

Modifié par David7204, 11 août 2013 - 11:36 .

[Kataphrut94]

There probably is one somewhere, it's just buried in a cluttered archive of crap. I'm pretty sure she had a group on the old characters and romances thread. This is why they need to bring that back.

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

That's what happens to mandatory squadmates, unfortunately.

well.....she was kinda shoehorned that way for certain reasons we cannot speak of

[MassivelyEffective0730]

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's what happens to mandatory squadmates, unfortunately.

well.....she was kinda shoehorned that way for certain reasons we cannot speak of

No, it's what happens when squadmates that don't need to be squadmates become squadmates or when characters have bad writing decisions from the writers. We're never given a good reason as to why EDI needs to be a squadmate beyond being Joker's sex toy.

[crimzontearz]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's what happens to mandatory squadmates, unfortunately.

well.....she was kinda shoehorned that way for certain reasons we cannot speak of

No, it's what happens when squadmates that don't need to be squadmates become squadmates or when characters have bad writing decisions from the writers. We're never given a good reason as to why EDI needs to be a squadmate beyond being Joker's sex toy.

you get one at the end .....sadly

[MassivelyEffective0730]

crimzontearz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's what happens to mandatory squadmates, unfortunately.

well.....she was kinda shoehorned that way for certain reasons we cannot speak of

No, it's what happens when squadmates that don't need to be squadmates become squadmates or when characters have bad writing decisions from the writers. We're never given a good reason as to why EDI needs to be a squadmate beyond being Joker's sex toy.

you get one at the end .....sadly

Yep. And I feel that crappy reason at the end was the only reason they really made EDI a squadmate.

Oh well. I'll always remember her ME2 incarnation.

Joker meanwhile needs to see a shrink.

[crimzontearz]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's what happens to mandatory squadmates, unfortunately.

well.....she was kinda shoehorned that way for certain reasons we cannot speak of

No, it's what happens when squadmates that don't need to be squadmates become squadmates or when characters have bad writing decisions from the writers. We're never given a good reason as to why EDI needs to be a squadmate beyond being Joker's sex toy.

you get one at the end .....sadly

Yep. And I feel that crappy reason at the end was the only reason they really made EDI a squadmate.

Oh well. I'll always remember her ME2 incarnation.

Joker meanwhile needs to see a shrink.

yes...anthropomorphizing her for the sake of "oh no, don't pick destroy or your new synthetic human friend and Joker's new girlfriend will die" was pathetic.
They had to force it too because if you had a choice not to let her use Eva's body and kill the Geth on rannoch then destroy would have had no drawback


and we can't have that can we?

[AlexMBrennan]

There is a fangroup for everyone - that's probably a corollary of rule 34 of the interwebz

[MassivelyEffective0730]

crimzontearz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's what happens to mandatory squadmates, unfortunately.

well.....she was kinda shoehorned that way for certain reasons we cannot speak of

No, it's what happens when squadmates that don't need to be squadmates become squadmates or when characters have bad writing decisions from the writers. We're never given a good reason as to why EDI needs to be a squadmate beyond being Joker's sex toy.

you get one at the end .....sadly

Yep. And I feel that crappy reason at the end was the only reason they really made EDI a squadmate.

Oh well. I'll always remember her ME2 incarnation.

Joker meanwhile needs to see a shrink.

yes...anthropomorphizing her for the sake of "oh no, don't pick destroy or your new synthetic human friend and Joker's new girlfriend will die" was pathetic.
They had to force it too because if you had a choice not to let her use Eva's body and kill the Geth on rannoch then destroy would have had no drawback


and we can't have that can we?

Well, destroy still damages the relays. To me, that's the biggest problem with Destroy.

[Kataphrut94]

It was more likely that they needed at least one techy-type squadmate who couldn't be dead in previous games to balance out pure combat James and pure biotic Liara. EDI fit the bill nicely, and it's not like she could have got more done if she stayed a hologram. Besides, she was a good squadmate and if Joker's thing with her bothers you that much, well that's his problem.

EDIT: Also, it couldn't have been for the sake of the ending because the decision to make her a squadmate would have been made long before the endings were written. Stop making everything about the endings, people.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 11 août 2013 - 11:58 .

[David7204]

What 'reasons' are those?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

It was more likely that they needed at least one techy-type squadmate who couldn't be dead in previous games to balance out pure combat James and pure biotic Liara. EDI fit the bill nicely, and it's not like she could have got more done if she stayed a hologram. Besides, she was a good squadmate and if Joker's thing with her bothers you that much, well that's his problem.

This is true... But really, did it have to be EDI? It couldn't have been an original character?

We're not really saying she'd have gotten more done as the talking phallic symbol. I think we're saying that she didn't really get more done as sexbot.

I disagree on the good squadmate bit. She really didn't need to be a squadmate. 

Joker's thing does bother me. As his superior, it bothers me, and being the commander of the Normandy it bothers me with him as my pilot. 

That's why I discourage their relationship. He'll meet someone he can actually be with thats good for him. Dr. Michel or Kelly Chambers is nice.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 12 août 2013 - 12:01 .

[crimzontearz]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's what happens to mandatory squadmates, unfortunately.

well.....she was kinda shoehorned that way for certain reasons we cannot speak of

No, it's what happens when squadmates that don't need to be squadmates become squadmates or when characters have bad writing decisions from the writers. We're never given a good reason as to why EDI needs to be a squadmate beyond being Joker's sex toy.

you get one at the end .....sadly

Yep. And I feel that crappy reason at the end was the only reason they really made EDI a squadmate.

Oh well. I'll always remember her ME2 incarnation.

Joker meanwhile needs to see a shrink.

yes...anthropomorphizing her for the sake of "oh no, don't pick destroy or your new synthetic human friend and Joker's new girlfriend will die" was pathetic.
They had to force it too because if you had a choice not to let her use Eva's body and kill the Geth on rannoch then destroy would have had no drawback


and we can't have that can we?

Well, destroy still damages the relays. To me, that's the biggest problem with Destroy.

I guess......but for someone who does not care about them (or under a purely emotional POV) that would have made destroy an ending without drawbacks....(of course then bioware forced in the Shepard maybe suicide because...you know art is grimdark.....but that is another story)

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

What 'reasons' are those?

to be a forced drawback of the destroy ending she needed to be forcibly anthropomorphized

[David7204]

I think that has less to do with Destroy and more to do with wanting to show that AIs are equal to humans in general. Which is a welcome theme.

[Kataphrut94]

@MassivelyEffective0730 People generally prefer established characters, writers included. By making her a squadmate, you've set the course for how to develop her as an existing character, in addition to filling in the check-list for mandatory squaddies.

I'm not saying they couldn't have made an original character, but it was probably easier to use EDI. She's well-suited to the class, she played an active role in the previous game, she wasn't kill-offable and like it or not, but they were already setting up a relationship between her and Joker by the end of that game. If anything, falling for a robot is less creepy than a holographic chess piece.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 12 août 2013 - 12:05 .

[crimzontearz]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

It was more likely that they needed at least one techy-type squadmate who couldn't be dead in previous games to balance out pure combat James and pure biotic Liara. EDI fit the bill nicely, and it's not like she could have got more done if she stayed a hologram. Besides, she was a good squadmate and if Joker's thing with her bothers you that much, well that's his problem.

EDIT: Also, it couldn't have been for the sake of the ending because the decision to make her a squadmate would have been made long before the endings were written. Stop making everything about the endings, people.

you obviously do not know how characters are created


the purpose of a character is created before the character takes form.....part of the purpose of edi's character was to be the VERY anthropomorphic face of synthetics and as such drawback if you decided to kill them all even tho that might have been tacked on later she was supposed to be there to make you deal with your choices about synthetics

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

EDIT: Also, it couldn't have been for the sake of the ending because the decision to make her a squadmate would have been made long before the endings were written. Stop making everything about the endings, people.

Well, I wouldn't be saying it was about the endings if they hadn't gone out of their way to express how EDI fits into the ending.

Pick Destroy, you get a flashback of her looking sad.

Pick Synthesis and you get to see her get all Adam and Eve with Joker. In the OE, I believe that was the intent. Also, you get her pinocchio monologue about 'being alive' in that ending.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 12 août 2013 - 12:08 .

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

I think that has less to do with Destroy and more to do with wanting to show that AIs are equal to humans in general. Which is a welcome theme.

and as such highlight her demise in destroy as the demise of an equal

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It was funny because didn't Garrus used to understand techie stuff in ME1, and also didn't Liara have Electronics skills in ME1 and was able to repair the Mako? Damn. And suddenly all those techie skills were lost.

[David7204]

That's certainly possible, yeah.

[David7204]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It was funny because didn't Garrus used to understand techie stuff in ME1, and also didn't Liara have Electronics skills in ME1 and was able to repair the Mako? Damn. And suddenly all those techie skills were lost.

First of all, that was just gameplay stuff to try and make sure squadmates didn't have frustratingly weak shields.

Secondly, what does that have to do with EDI?

[Kataphrut94]

What I'm saying is it's more likely they came up with the character first and then decided to work her into the endings, since she fits into that choice.

Besides, people have already shown to be sympathetic to synthetics since Mass Effect 2 introduced us to Legion. The fact that people hate him almost as much as EDI nowadays makes me feel as if it's just rejection of the endings rather than the actual merits of the characters.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 12 août 2013 - 12:17 .