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[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Sexualisation isn't an issue just because it has the potential to be taken advantage of by the player. It's an issue because it sends the wrong message. The game has a small cast of heroes - just shy of twenty squadmates. Ten of them are female. Of these, seven have what can be described as large breasts. Meanwhile, all the nobody NPC's have small breasts. Regardless of the fact that it is not actually connected, the correlation is: you are more powerful and important if you have large breasts.

As a character, EDI was not required to have large breasts. It plays no role in her character, no role in her relationship and no role in the gameplay. It's an entirely cosmetic decision on the designer's part. I reserve the right to criticise what I see as an arbitrary reinforcement of the message that a woman's self-worth can be measured by her cup size.

You know what I notice?

All the female squadmates have perfect skin. Perfect shiny hair. Slender waists. Pretty lips, pretty eyes.

But that's all perfectly okay, right? That's all fine and dandy? But breasts? Nope. You're too mature for that.

That about right?

He never once said anything about maturity. He that is sends the message that a woman's self-worth it measured in the size of her breasts.

[David7204]

Indy_S wrote...

All the meaningless NPC's have each of those things. Breasts are the difference.

Uh-huh.

I don't much feel like playing compare and contrast for half an hour, so we'll bypass that.

Why do you think BioWare gave both the male and female characters attractive features?

[Br3admax]

How does Jack have any of those things? Have you seen her?

[dreamgazer]

Br3ad wrote...

How does Jack have any of those things? Have you seen her?

I have.



She does. Unconventional traits too, but also some of the traditionally appealing features David mentioned.

[David7204]

"Because the majority of their fanbase are autistic otakus who seek wish fulfilment"

That's it. That's the reason you think characters in Mass Effect are attractive. Because the fanbase is mostly 'autistic otakus who seek wish fulfillment.'

[Indy_S]

David7204 wrote...

Why do you think BioWare gave both the male and female characters attractive features?

To speed up the interest in the relationship with the player. That is an admirable goal but it is not the only effect of the decision.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

"Because the majority of their fanbase are autistic otakus who seek wish fulfilment"

That's it. That's the reason you think characters in Mass Effect are attractive. Because the fanbase is mostly 'autistic otakus who seek wish fulfillment.'

Dude, a lot of them are.  

As someone who just fished around the Mass Effect group pool, I can attest to that. 

[David7204]

So considering that most fiction is full of attractive characters, or at least more attractive than people you often encounter in real life, does that apply to fiction in general? Or is your little philosophy only for Mass Effect?

Modifié par David7204, 13 août 2013 - 04:22 .

[Br3admax]

If most people were unattractive, we would not exist. Everybody doesn't mate out of pity.

[Clayless]

Indy_S wrote...

Sexualisation isn't an issue just because it has the potential to be taken advantage of by the player. It's an issue because it sends the wrong message. The game has a small cast of heroes - just shy of twenty squadmates. Ten of them are female. Of these, seven have what can be described as large breasts. Meanwhile, all the nobody NPC's have small breasts. Regardless of the fact that it is not actually connected, the correlation is: you are more powerful and important if you have large breasts.

As a character, EDI was not required to have large breasts. It plays no role in her character, no role in her relationship and no role in the gameplay. It's an entirely cosmetic decision on the designer's part. I reserve the right to criticise what I see as an arbitrary reinforcement of the message that a woman's self-worth can be measured by her cup size.

Of course this can be countered by the fact that the most powerful female character in the game, Shepard, doesn't have large breasts.

If your correlation isn't consistent then chances are it doesn't exist.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

So considering that most fiction is full of attractive characters, or at least more attractive than people you often encounter in real life, does the apply to fiction in general? Or is your little philosophy only for Mass Effect?

I think fiction in general attempts to directly and overtly appeal to that portion of the audience in various ways, yeah.

You see that kind of thing everywhere. Especially in science-fiction. 

[Zazzerka]

Br3ad wrote...

If most people were unattractive, we would not exist. Everybody doesn't mate out of pity.

If most people were unnattractive, the standards for attractiveness would change.

Moustachioed women could be the epitome of beauty, for example.

[wolfhowwl]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

"Because the majority of their fanbase are autistic otakus who seek wish fulfilment"

That's it. That's the reason you think characters in Mass Effect are attractive. Because the fanbase is mostly 'autistic otakus who seek wish fulfillment.'

Dude, a lot of them are.  

As someone who just fished around the Mass Effect group pool, I can attest to that. 

David, do you not remember the character and romance forum?

[Indy_S]

David7204 wrote...

So considering that most fiction is full of attractive characters, or at least more attractive than people you often encounter in real life, does the apply to fiction in general? Or is your little philosophy only for Mass Effect?

Only to instances of fiction. Making a blanket generalisation doesn't really appeal to me.

[Indy_S]

Robosexual wrote...

Of course this can be countered by the fact that the most powerful female character in the game, Shepard, doesn't have large breasts.

If your correlation isn't consistent then chances are it doesn't exist.

But the correlation is consistent. It doesn't matter if there are a few instances of important people with small breasts, it matters that there are no unimportant ones with large breasts.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I tend to like edi, and her new body. But one can see unnecisary weight distribution was placed onto her chest. Though this was probably unavoidable, since high-performance processors need to go somewhere and putting them in the back might have been more problematic.

[David7204]

I'm not playing a contest of 'Who-can-name-the-most-obscure-film-because-that-automatically-means-it's-the-most-mature-and-anything-popular-is-stupid.'

What popular well-recognized films can you name that feature unattractive characters where their unattractiveness isn't part of the plot? What video games? What television series?

Modifié par David7204, 13 août 2013 - 04:29 .

[Indy_S]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I'm not really sure how important Benizia was. I mean, she was in like two scenes.

I was thinking more towards ME3 but you do raise a good counter-point.