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[David7204]

Yeah, the fact that Miranda was criticized pretty heavily in ME 2 and is now lauded is pretty indicative to me that the actual merits of the character aren't coming much into play much at all.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

David7204 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It was funny because didn't Garrus used to understand techie stuff in ME1, and also didn't Liara have Electronics skills in ME1 and was able to repair the Mako? Damn. And suddenly all those techie skills were lost.

First of all, that was just gameplay stuff to try and make sure squadmates didn't have frustratingly weak shields.

Secondly, what does that have to do with EDI?

It has nothing to do with EDI. They had those skills and they just lost them. Just sayin'.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Yeah, the fact that Miranda was criticized pretty heavily in ME 2 and is now lauded is pretty indicative to me that the actual merits of the character aren't coming much into play much at all.

That's because people don't like the characterization that you like 

[garrus and ashley squad]

I think edi gets a lot of hate because she took up a squadmates place. If me3 had put some me2 squadmates in there along with her I doubt people look down on her. There might be a few complaints but I think it gets swept under the rug.

[crimzontearz]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

What I'm saying is it's more likely they came up with the character first and then decided to work her into the endings, since she fits into that choice.

Besides, people have already shown to be sympathetic to synthetics since Mass Effect 2 introduced us to Legion. The fact that people hate him almost as much as EDI nowadays makes me feel as if it's just rejection of the endings rather than the actual merits of the characters.

no, they hate his forced sacrifice....not legion per se

and the imposed "the get did nothing wrong" perspective (once again forced on us to sympathize more with them)

[David7204]

The fact that the player is given the ability to kill the geth makes complaints about such a perspective being 'forced on you' ring very hollow.

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

The fact that the player is given the ability to kill the geth makes complaints about such a perspective being 'forced on you' ring very hollow.

the records on rannoch show a deliberately one sided story....that is what I meant

[David7204]

And talking to Tali throughout ME 1 doesn't show a one-sided story?

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

And talking to Tali throughout ME 1 doesn't show a one-sided story?

so does talking to legion in ME2 but in ME3 there is no real confrontation only "poor misunderstood geth"

[Kataphrut94]

crimzontearz wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

What I'm saying is it's more likely they came up with the character first and then decided to work her into the endings, since she fits into that choice.

Besides, people have already shown to be sympathetic to synthetics since Mass Effect 2 introduced us to Legion. The fact that people hate him almost as much as EDI nowadays makes me feel as if it's just rejection of the endings rather than the actual merits of the characters.

no, they hate his forced sacrifice....not legion per se

and the imposed "the get did nothing wrong" perspective (once again forced on us to sympathize more with them)

Then what's with all those weirdos who in every thread related to the geth go "oh I shot Legion (or more likey the VI since it's apparently okay if you didn't know them) three times and watched his people burn!"? It's just trying to distance yourself from the synthetic characters so you can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend the Destroy ending is consequence-free.

The geth server thing was probably a necessity, since the previous games were so heavily favoured towards the quarians, not to mention the covering fire they had from the Talimancers. It worked didn't it? Stats show the choices were pretty close, certainly more than the 96% genophage cure rate.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 12 août 2013 - 12:36 .

[crimzontearz]

interesting perspective and a possible one too......

I still pick destroy even after saving the geth by brokering peace so.....

[Sir DeLoria]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Then what's with all those weirdos who in every thread related to the geth go "oh I shot Legion (or more likey the VI since it's apparently okay if you didn't know them) three times and watched his people burn!"? It's just trying to distance yourself from the synthetic characters so you can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend the Destroy ending is consequence-free.

The geth server thing was probably a necessity, since the previous games were so heavily favoured towards the quarians, not to mention the covering fire they had from the Talimancers. It worked didn't it? Stats show the choices were pretty close, certainly more than the 96% genophage cure rate.

Stats don't reflect the players' opinions. You don't believe how often I read "I killed the Quarians by accident" or "I tried every possible Rannoch outcome multiple times". The stats reflect every playthrough done to that point, no matter if it's 10 playthroughs from 10 players, or 10 playthroughs from 1 player.

Tbh, the Geth don't deserve to live for what they did. They're ME's version of Skynet.

[Kataphrut94]

^I've heard these stories and I think they're hilarious; that's what those people get for not paying attention. Regardless, I have heard from people who knowingly save the geth and they make a good case.

Wasn't this topic about EDI?

[rekn2]

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I think that has less to do with Destroy and more to do with wanting to show that AIs are equal to humans in general. Which is a welcome theme.

and as such highlight her demise in destroy as the demise of an equal

you forget that happened after EC

[shingara]

There has always been a conflict on edis death upon destory. Because as it stands if you can kill evas body then edi doesnt show up on the memorial wall. That in itself suggest that edi is yet again just the normandy.

So does the picture coming up mean the physical platform eva is dead and that is all.

[rekn2]

blah, i looked through the entire edi thread and theres no mention of a group...nothing came up on google either

[Clayless]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

I think edi gets a lot of hate because she took up a squadmates place.

Nonsense. There's no one that can fill EDI's role, that of the tech squadmate, so she couldn't have taken any.

If any character took a ME2 squadmates position it'd be one that has a high chance of dying in previous installments and isn't important to the plot. Like Garrus.

Anyway I agree with the person above that thinks the reason why the Geth and EDI get so much hate is because of Destroyers trying to make their decision consequence free. It's like they "take it out" on Synthetics. I've suspected it for a while now too.

Modifié par Robosexual, 12 août 2013 - 03:24 .

[AresKeith]

Robosexual wrote...

Anyway I agree with the person above that thinks the reason why the Geth and EDI get so much hate is because of Destroyers trying to make their decision consequence free. It's like they "take it out" on Synthetics. I've suspected it for a while now too.

Again with the generalization

[dreamgazer]

Robosexual wrote...

Anyway I agree with the person above that thinks the reason why the Geth and EDI get so much hate is because of Destroyers trying to make their decision consequence free. It's like they "take it out" on Synthetics. I've suspected it for a while now too.

I'm a "Destroyer", I liked EDI as an entity, and I wasn't crazy about wiping out the geth along with the Reapers.

What now?

[Clayless]

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm a "Destroyer", I liked EDI as an entity, and I wasn't crazy about wiping out the geth along with the Reapers.

What now?

What now what?

[rekn2]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

What I'm saying is it's more likely they came up with the character first and then decided to work her into the endings, since she fits into that choice.

Besides, people have already shown to be sympathetic to synthetics since Mass Effect 2 introduced us to Legion. The fact that people hate him almost as much as EDI nowadays makes me feel as if it's just rejection of the endings rather than the actual merits of the characters.

no, they hate his forced sacrifice....not legion per se

and the imposed "the get did nothing wrong" perspective (once again forced on us to sympathize more with them)

Then what's with all those weirdos who in every thread related to the geth go "oh I shot Legion (or more likey the VI since it's apparently okay if you didn't know them) three times and watched his people burn!"? It's just trying to distance yourself from the synthetic characters so you can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend the Destroy ending is consequence-free.

Or maybe it's because the geth are genuinely an unsympathetic and poorly-written group. Perish the thought.

amazing in me2 and dumb as hell in me3

[Seboist]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

What I'm saying is it's more likely they came up with the character first and then decided to work her into the endings, since she fits into that choice.

Besides, people have already shown to be sympathetic to synthetics since Mass Effect 2 introduced us to Legion. The fact that people hate him almost as much as EDI nowadays makes me feel as if it's just rejection of the endings rather than the actual merits of the characters.

no, they hate his forced sacrifice....not legion per se

and the imposed "the get did nothing wrong" perspective (once again forced on us to sympathize more with them)

Then what's with all those weirdos who in every thread related to the geth go "oh I shot Legion (or more likey the VI since it's apparently okay if you didn't know them) three times and watched his people burn!"? It's just trying to distance yourself from the synthetic characters so you can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend the Destroy ending is consequence-free.

Or maybe it's because the geth are genuinely an unsympathetic and poorly-written group. Perish the thought.

Yep, had no qualms with selling "Legion" to Cerberus and wiping them out.

[SlottsMachine]

rekn2 wrote...

blah, i looked through the entire edi thread and theres no mention of a group...nothing came up on google either

I doubt there is a fan group, but if there is one I'm sure the tumbleweeds are a blowing. 

[dreamgazer]

Robosexual wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm a "Destroyer", I liked EDI as an entity, and I wasn't crazy about wiping out the geth along with the Reapers.

What now?

What now what?

I fit outside that generalization, and I'm certain I'm not the only one.

Let's not paint destroyers as the types who don't weigh consequences.