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[Sejborg]

MevenSelas wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

Hawke could have died of scurvy, been cremated, and "remains" with Isabela. Quite literally.

Yes. But the point is: "remained together" means "remained together". 

"remained together" do not mean "remained together - until one of them just sort of wandered off" - or whatever happened that means that they no longer "remained together". 

But I could be wrong. 

 You missed the joke.

No. I did get the joke. My response to it was "Yes." 

[Frostback]

I wouldn't want to say "they" will not appear in Dragon Age Inquisition but there is certain possibilities that they will back as party members:

- "BioWare is planning on fusing elements of both earlier games in the series, Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II, into the creation of Dragon Age: Inquisition and customization is said to be expanded in the next game"

Which means that the fused elements of both DAO and DA2 will able to bring back DAO and DA2 characters that we already play, right? (well except if the warden dead when killing the Achdemon)

- "BioWare employee Mike Laidlaw mentioned that playing as a different character "does not mean your old character may never appear in future games", which could indicate that the player may be able to meet their original protagonists".

This means that Bioware are planning to bring back Warden and Hawke.

Actually Warden and Hawke "personal" stories is NOT over, they had new "tasks" they need to finish. Reasons:

Warden seek Morrigan and she ask him/her to hunt Flemeth because she knew Flemeth will destroying the world. Several years later a war clashed between Mages and Templar in Kirkwall, certain circumtances forcing Hawke to make a choice. Mages spread from Kirkwall to other Circle for one reason, "Freedom for Mages".

When Varric tells Cassandra "I wish I could help you" that means Hawke leaving Kirkwall, nowhere to be found. Maybe he/she try to fix and end the war that already happens.This is why his/her story is not yet finish This can be a possibility that Hawke able to meet or help the player in DA Inquisition.

Warden hear about the war that happen between Mages and Templar, he/she will believe that Flemeth is the one who cause this and seek Morrigan for answers. This can be a possibility that Warden able to meet or help the player in DA Inquisition.

So, in my opinion if they join the party member: Maybe
Still we will be able to see both Warden and Hawke again: Yes

The game titled "Inquisition", this means that Hawke can be an enemy too 'cause his/her actions in Kirkwall that brings chaos and we as the Player must judge him/her because of that.

[Miltialdes]

Bioware can satisfy everybody.

Thoses who don't want the warden and Hawke, it is simple don't hire them if you meet them if they are living.

Or people like me want their return, simple allow me to hire them.

Or find an explanation why the non intervention of Hawke and the Wardens. ( Killed, kidnapped in another dimension, There are the new vilains etc....)

[Frostback]

Miltialdes wrote...

Bioware can satisfy everybody.

Thoses who don't want the warden and Hawke, it is simple don't hire them if you meet them if they are living.

Or people like me want their return, simple allow me to hire them.

Or find an explanation why the non intervention of Hawke and the Wardens. ( Killed, kidnapped in another dimension, There are the new vilains etc....)

I hope Bioware give those options to us.
It will be dissapointing if they not bring those heroes back.

[Yalision]

David Gaider wrote...

DesmondHume wrote...
Gaider, i want you to know that youre a pompous ass.

Since everything we do is so terrible, there's always an option: door's that way.

Here, let me help you.

I disagree. Gaider is simply not afraid to say what he feels needs to be said. Unless you troll him. Then you're just going to get trolled harder with a kick in the *** at the end.

[Iron Fist]

Miltialdes wrote...

Bioware can satisfy everybody.

Thoses who don't want the warden and Hawke, it is simple don't hire them if you meet them if they are living.

Or people like me want their return, simple allow me to hire them.

Or find an explanation why the non intervention of Hawke and the Wardens. ( Killed, kidnapped in another dimension, There are the new vilains etc....)

Let's forget for a moment that each character has nigh-infinite potential appearances, as well as many different potential personalities (especially the Warden, since the player had to RP that).

There's also an unfathomable number of possibilities for the course of each character's lfie after their respective games.

BioWare would never waste resources to account for each possibility, so they would have to assume one by creating a canon biography. 

Do you really want BioWare to assume a particular path for them? Really?

[Fast Jimmy]

I consider most DLCs to be a "waste of resources" as well. Most DLCs (my experience spans from DA:O to ME2/ME3) add very little to the game in general and are just another bunch of sidequests or would've been alot better if they were stand-alone games with alot more depth in them. There are only a few exceptions that really "add" something new or important to the game.

I don't dislike them, but if you're going to say that an optional meeting with your previous characters as DLCs is a waste of resources, then you might as well show the door to other DLCs.

Bioware can always decide that in the future, if there's enough demand for it, AND WHILE THE GAME IS ALREADY MADE (and no resources can go to waste), to make a DLC for this meeting.

First off, you're talking to the wrong guy about the value or worth of DLCs.


That being said, they CHARGE for those DLCs. It's extra work that is side content, yes... but people pay for it.


And before anyone suggests making this feature into a paid DLC, I would say "no, no, NO." Bioware does NOT need that level of attacking publicity. Simply imagine the fan outcry of having to pay to play/see your Warden again. It would make the "From Ashes" criticism look like a review from IGN.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 13 août 2013 - 07:01 .

[HurricaneGinger]

Miltialdes wrote...

Bioware can can't satisfy everybody.

Sad, but true.

My Warden's and Hawke's story is done. I'd rather not see them again.

Plus, did y'all stop to think that it would be difficult for the devs to implement the same face, as well as the personality for each Warden and Hawke? I'd rather avoid the implosion of the BioWare Network.

I understand y'all love your characters; I love them too, but I made each Warden and Hawke in my own way. I don't want them to show up screwed six ways to Sunday. If anything, I'd be satisfied hearing about them, or even meeting their LI or a companion they traveled with. It's easier, and it wouldn't incite as much rage as the other way.

I too want to know what happened to them, but we will have to be satisfied with what the devs give us. They have already given us multiple races after insisting the protagonist will be human - that is amazing.

And if BioWare somehow figures out a way to bring the Warden and Hawke back true to how each of us made them, all power to them.

[KieranW]

My Warden's and Hawke's story is done. I'd rather not see them again.

How can their stories be considered -done-?! Both suddenly and mysteriously vanished without a trace. One day they're world renowned heroes with massive influence and then they disappear like a fart on the wind. How does that make sense?! There has to be an explanation or re-appearance further down the line.

[HurricaneGinger]

KieranW wrote...

My Warden's and Hawke's story is done. I'd rather not see them again.

How can their stories be considered -done-?! Both suddenly and mysteriously vanished without a trace. One day they're world renowned heroes with massive influence and then they disappear like a fart on the wind. How does that make sense?! There has to be an explanation or re-appearance further down the line.

This is the only thing we will most likely get, because once the game is over our characters are BioWare's. They can pretty much do whatever they like.

[Tootles FTW]

Sejborg wrote...

Yes. But the point is: "remained together" means "remained together". 

"remained together" do not mean "remained together - until one of them just sort of wandered off" - or whatever happened that means that they no longer "remained together". 

But I could be wrong. 

Remained together as far as Varric knows.  That's the problem with a set narrator versus ending slides, as the story becomes dependent on the narrator's reliability and their scope of knowledge. 

You "remained together" for about a year before you vanished.  What happens next remains to be seen.  Personally, I'd love if our DAI protagonist runs into our DA2 love interest who is on the hunt for us. 

[Miltialdes]

I have a question:

It seems that all Theldas go to hell. Hundreds demons run the world but if the warden and Hawke are not dead, why they don't move their ass to save it?

The warden have to wait another archi-demon? If nobody survives it is very useful to wait another archi-demon?
Hawke fought for his familly and he believes what he did is right. His new city is in danger and he will not react.

Bioware has to explain why the non intervention of the two previous hero if they are alive. The full world fall apart and they will do anything to save the day. That has not sense.

[Estelindis]

David Gaider wrote...
We realize some people are very precious about their PC's, and we're not apt to go out of our way to have them do things that violate headcanon... but they obviously did something, and that involves a plot that may not be what someone had in mind. Just be aware.

What puzzles me (and what may continue to puzzle me until much more plot is revealed) is why you've chosen the PCs for whatever plot you have in mind.  Particularly with the ending of DA:O, you created a huge amount of variety, or reactivity, or whatever the best phrase is.  There weren't just four endings; each varied depending on who was on the throne of Ferelden, what boon you chose if your Warden was still alive, etc.  It's hard for me to imagine what kind of plot development could get all Wardens, in all their different endgame states, to leave.  I'm not talking about headcanon here, just what you wrote yourselves.  I assume good faith on your part, so I feel that whatever led the Warden to vanish would have to be a pretty big deal (to motivate all Wardens) or perhaps the Warden was left with no choice (similar to the protagonist at the start of BG2).  But right now, because I only assume this, and don't actually know, it's rather bamboozling.  

All I can say is this: the Warden should show up again (edit: in the story; I don't necessarily mean in person).  I can't think of why you would have made him or her vanish except to fulfil an interesting function in the story of the world, and, at some point, we should find out what it is.  I think that what some people are afraid of is that you made the Warden vanish and thus "took away" the ending we "earned" for no good/apparent reason.  I don't want to believe that because you surely must love the characters even more than we do.  But I do hope that we find out in the next game, because it's a long time to wait for the next one after that.

Modifié par Estelindis, 13 août 2013 - 07:51 .

[Black Jimmy]

David Gaider wrote...

Volourn wrote...
 This would be an awesome way to tie in the two previous games if we recruit our two previous PCs into our part 3 party. Imagine the stories and legends that can be made!

We'll probably have enough problems with some folks chafing at any attempt by the writers to give the Warden or Hawke an actual place in the story ("why can't I choose it? Why can't you just write different versions of every conversation to accommodate all my previous choices as well as my headcanon?") despite them both now being NPC's... putting them in the party would only open up calls for the player to roleplay them just as they roleplay the Inquisitor. Three PC's, in other words.

So, no. HELL no. Despite how awesome that might seem in your head, it would not be that awesome in practice.

Is seeing Hawke and/or The Warden, ingame, out of our control, completely off the table??

[Allan Schumacher]

Is seeing Hawke and/or The Warden, ingame, out of our control, completely off the table??

I wouldn't say "completely off the table" as few things ever really are, but I would go into this with the mindset "Expect them not to show up" as there is a chance they may not show up, and if you're really hoping that they do then that circumstance will leave you disappointed.

[Potato Cat]

KieranW wrote...

My Warden's and Hawke's story is done. I'd rather not see them again.

How can their stories be considered -done-?! Both suddenly and mysteriously vanished without a trace. One day they're world renowned heroes with massive influence and then they disappear like a fart on the wind. How does that make sense?! There has to be an explanation or re-appearance further down the line.

Explanation, yes.
Reappearance, dear Gaider no!

[Toasted Llama]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
First off, you're talking to the wrong guy about the value or worth of DLCs.


That being said, they CHARGE for those DLCs. It's extra work that is side content, yes... but people pay for it.


And before anyone suggests making this feature into a paid DLC, I would say "no, no, NO." Bioware does NOT need that level of attacking publicity. Simply imagine the fan outcry of having to pay to play/see your Warden again. It would make the "From Ashes" criticism look like a review from IGN.

I never really understand why people complain that they need to pay for something they like. If you really like it, buy it, if you don't like it enough, don't, but don't **** about it either. Nobody's forcing you to buy it.

Anyway; not everyone wants to see their warden or their hawke again, so the outcry won't be as big as the one from Sacred Ashes. If people, that do NOT want to see their Warden/Hawke back RIGHT NOW complain when it would be released as paid DLC and thus have to pay to see their Warden/Hawke are just a bunch of hypocrites and might as well leave this discussion alone.

PhantomGinger wrote...

This
is the only thing we will most likely get, because once the game is
over our characters are BioWare's. They can pretty much do whatever they
like.

You DO realise that it means they can also just grab your Warden and/or Hawke and put it in Inquisition behaving and looking the way that Bioware personally wants anyway, right?

Not saying it will happen btw, I'm saying it's a possiblity if Bioware considers the Wardens and Hawkes their own NPCs.

[llandwynwyn]

PhantomGinger wrote...

Miltialdes wrote...

Bioware can can't satisfy everybody.

Sad, but true.

My Warden's and Hawke's story is done. I'd rather not see them again.

Plus, did y'all stop to think that it would be difficult for the devs to implement the same face, as well as the personality for each Warden and Hawke? I'd rather avoid the implosion of the BioWare Network.

I understand y'all love your characters; I love them too, but I made each Warden and Hawke in my own way. I don't want them to show up screwed six ways to Sunday. If anything, I'd be satisfied hearing about them, or even meeting their LI or a companion they traveled with. It's easier, and it wouldn't incite as much rage as the other way.

This. So. F. Much.

[Sejborg]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Yes. But the point is: "remained together" means "remained together". 

"remained together" do not mean "remained together - until one of them just sort of wandered off" - or whatever happened that means that they no longer "remained together". 

But I could be wrong. 

Remained together as far as Varric knows.  That's the problem with a set narrator versus ending slides, as the story becomes dependent on the narrator's reliability and their scope of knowledge. 

That makes sense. 

On a slightly related note I always found it kinda weird that my Hawke ran off with Isabella even though she was with Merrill by the end of the game - having her stand as a statue in the estate and all. I don't remember having Merrill killed during the end, so it was quite surprising that Hawke would suddenly run off with her former fling. On the other hand I never liked Merril, so it did feel sort of right. But still confusing. 

Modifié par Sejborg, 13 août 2013 - 07:55 .

[Abraham_uk]

It wouldn't bother me if they aren't be in any future games.
It wouldn't bother me if Dragon Age Inquisition was the last game to feature the Inquisitor.

However I can't say no to an Avengers Assemble type game with all the previous protagonists joining forces. It would be dumb and stupid, but then again I really enjoyed the hell out of last summer's Avengers.

[Iron Fist]

Abraham_uk wrote...

It wouldn't bother me if they aren't be in any future games.
It wouldn't bother me if Dragon Age Inquisition was the last game to feature the Inquisitor.

However I can't say no to an Avengers Assemble type game with all the previous protagonists joining forces. It would be dumb and stupid, but then again I really enjoyed the hell out of last summer's Avengers.

Third flash tie-in game perhaps?

[Jaison1986]

Abraham_uk wrote...

It wouldn't bother me if they aren't be in any future games.
It wouldn't bother me if Dragon Age Inquisition was the last game to feature the Inquisitor.

However I can't say no to an Avengers Assemble type game with all the previous protagonists joining forces. It would be dumb and stupid, but then again I really enjoyed the hell out of last summer's Avengers.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Inquisition goes Avengers style with all the previous heroes banding together. Regardless of how cheesy that would be.

[TheInquisitor]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Is seeing Hawke and/or The Warden, ingame, out of our control, completely off the table??

I wouldn't say "completely off the table" as few things ever really are, but I would go into this with the mindset "Expect them not to show up" as there is a chance they may not show up, and if you're really hoping that they do then that circumstance will leave you disappointed.

I can't help but want to see them again! I tend to grow attached to protagonists I play as a character, not everyone does.

Is there any chance that the disappearance of both the Warden and Hawke will be explained?

[Jerrybnsn]

MevenSelas wrote...

There's also an unfathomable number of possibilities for the course of each character's lfie after their respective games.

There are a few number of possiblilities, half a dozen actually, but not "unfathomable".  And regardless of what you dreamed up about them, the Dragon Age world keeps moving and if  your Warden is still alive, there is something that they'll all be doing.  We didn't have controlled of our Wardens prior to taking them over in DAO, and after WitchHunt dlc, we no longer control their fate.

[Jerrybnsn]

PhantomGinger wrote...

Miltialdes wrote...

Bioware can can't satisfy everybody.

Sad, but true.

My Warden's and Hawke's story is done. I'd rather not see them again.

I guess you're not satisfied then.