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[AmRMa]

No their stories were played through and I want more new characters in my party.

[NRieh]

I can't see Hawke playing a major role in Inquisition. But it doesn't change that I like Hawke. Playing as Hawke was something different than playing as the big hero who saves the world.

I doubt I could've found a better way to put it....

The Warden: He died twirling his pike.

No lamp posts involved? How so?!

[Tinu]

Flemeth ate us (Warden and Hawke), didn't she?

[Eternal Phoenix]

David Gaider wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
Or...are you saying that the epilogue counts as headcanon?

Some people also headcanon the epilogues. If Hawke romanced Isabela in DA2, it's mentioned that they remained together afterwards... but doing what? For how long? Some people claim that means they went sailing off on Isabela's new ship, and why would Hawke ever leave her side for even a single minute? We contradict that by saying Hawke disappeared and suddenly it's a clash with headcanon-- despite "Hawke remains with Isabela forever" not being a choice we offered.

At any rate, I'm not going to get into a big discussion about it. We realize some people are very precious about their PC's, and we're not apt to go out of our way to have them do things that violate headcanon... but they obviously did something, and that involves a plot that may not be what someone had in mind. Just be aware.

AKA

"All your heroes are belong to me."

https://encrypted-tb...iw9ghtLghFUsQfi

I know you're the "Hero Collector of Thedas" real secret end-game boss in Inqusition Gaider. I'm calling it now.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 13 août 2013 - 04:03 .

[Mercedes-Benz]

I don't want either in as party members, but they will have to be in the game in some capacity, it would be ridiculous if they weren't.

[devSin]

David Gaider wrote...

At any rate, I'm not going to get into a big discussion about it. We realize some people are very precious about their PC's, and we're not apt to go out of our way to have them do things that violate headcanon... but they obviously did something, and that involves a plot that may not be what someone had in mind. Just be aware.

Just please say what they did, and if they're separated from friends and loved ones, give it context (mainly: is it permanent?).

And don't kill them offscreen (or even onscreen, preferably). Death happens to everyone eventually, so I don't think there's cause to force it on our past characters in any place we have to see it unfold (unless you come up with some epic story point that simply demands it—but it damn well better be epic in that case!).

But please do say something.

[Synthetic Moose]

Nrieh wrote...

I can't see Hawke playing a major role in Inquisition. But it doesn't change that I like Hawke. Playing as Hawke was something different than playing as the big hero who saves the world.

I doubt I could've found a better way to put it....

I'm not saying that I don't like the protagonist been "the big hero who saves the world", I'm just saying that it was good to try something new, and in my opinion, it succeeded. 

[Ozida]

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

I don't want either in as party members, but they will have to be in the game in some capacity, it would be ridiculous if they weren't.

Yep, my thoughts too.

[Yalision]

David Gaider wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
Or...are you saying that the epilogue counts as headcanon?

Some people also headcanon the epilogues. If Hawke romanced Isabela in DA2, it's mentioned that they remained together afterwards... but doing what? For how long? Some people claim that means they went sailing off on Isabela's new ship, and why would Hawke ever leave her side for even a single minute? We contradict that by saying Hawke disappeared and suddenly it's a clash with headcanon-- despite "Hawke remains with Isabela forever" not being a choice we offered.

At any rate, I'm not going to get into a big discussion about it. We realize some people are very precious about their PC's, and we're not apt to go out of our way to have them do things that violate headcanon... but they obviously did something, and that involves a plot that may not be what someone had in mind. Just be aware.

I'm happy to see Mr.  Gaider defending the use of these characters as NPCs. This is perfectly fine for me and if I get to see them participating as heroes in the story and they are given appropriately epic roles, then even better.

[Jerrybnsn]

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

I don't want either in as party members, but they will have to be in the game in some capacity, it would be ridiculous if they weren't.

I think it would be best if we prepare for the ridiculous.  At least they won't all be wearing the same clothes that they start out with.  Hopefully.

[thebatmanreborn]

I wouldn't necessarily want them as a party member, although it would be cool if they teamed up with you for a brief mission. People shouldn't expect them to act the same as they did in DAO and DA2. People change. No one on this board is the same person they were 7-10 years ago. Man, i think of all the things that have just happened over the last five years in my own life. People mature, beliefs can change, thoughts, experiences, all that shapes up people.

If you want something more than 2-d cookie cutter characters, you have to give Bioware some creative freedom when it comes to crafting characters and story. Yes, we have choice. But let's be reasonable. 

So, I hope the Warden and Hawk show up in DAI. Whether as a cameo or whatever. I wouldn't mind if they are acting different than from where I left them as long as it makes sense and is explained storywise. With that said, I can't wait for DAI!

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 13 août 2013 - 01:38 .

[Direwolf0294]

Please no. I don't want any former PC anywhere near DA:I. BioWare already screwed up Reven and the Exile in TOR, I don't want them doing the same for the Warden and Hawke (though my Warden's dead).

[lady_v23]

Uh... no.

My warden is doing wander stuff, while leliana is away in orlais poisoning people.. eating cake..forgetting she's taken.

My Hawke magically forgot she's the champion and she's sailing the seas with Isabela.

[thebatmanreborn]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

Please no. I don't want any former PC anywhere near DA:I. BioWare already screwed up Reven and the Exile in TOR, I don't want them doing the same for the Warden and Hawke (though my Warden's dead).

Can't really pin that one on Bioware. LucasArts wanted an MMO. $$$

[thebatmanreborn]

DeadlyHaven wrote...

I'm dead-set against this for so many reasons.

Well, their disappearance is an intrical part of the story, as shown at the end of DA2. It would be anticlimatic if they didn't at least pop in. A lot of fans want it. But what are the many reasons? I'm curious. 

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 13 août 2013 - 02:22 .

[badboy64]

Not a chance.

[ziloe]

David Gaider wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
Or...are you saying that the epilogue counts as headcanon?

Some people also headcanon the epilogues. If Hawke romanced Isabela in DA2, it's mentioned that they remained together afterwards... but doing what? For how long? Some people claim that means they went sailing off on Isabela's new ship, and why would Hawke ever leave her side for even a single minute? We contradict that by saying Hawke disappeared and suddenly it's a clash with headcanon-- despite "Hawke remains with Isabela forever" not being a choice we offered.

At any rate, I'm not going to get into a big discussion about it. We realize some people are very precious about their PC's, and we're not apt to go out of our way to have them do things that violate headcanon... but they obviously did something, and that involves a plot that may not be what someone had in mind. Just be aware.

If the Warden isn't with Morrigan at all, in the entirety of the time she's there, despite going through the Eluvian with her, I'm sure a few people will take issue.

Personally, I don't mind if you add more depth to my character. He'd be older and wiser. And he's a father now. So that's what matters.

[Examurai]

Synthetic Moose wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

I can't see Hawke playing a major role in Inquisition. But it doesn't change that I like Hawke. Playing as Hawke was something different than playing as the big hero who saves the world.

I doubt I could've found a better way to put it....

I'm not saying that I don't like the protagonist been "the big hero who saves the world", I'm just saying that it was good to try something new, and in my opinion, it succeeded. 

An opinion you don't really see much here in BSN. 

I like it.

[Examurai]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

DeadlyHaven wrote...

I'm dead-set against this for so many reasons.

Well, their disappearance is an intrical part of the story, as shown at the end of DA2. It would be anticlimatic if they didn't at least pop in. A lot of fans want it. But what are the many reasons? I'm curious. 

Yeah. Bioware started it, so they should finish it. I would have been find if their stories concluded in their respective games.

[Examurai]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

But speaking from my own opinion I would like to hear something about our previous characters even if we find out our Warden got killed or our Hawke was violently murdered... 

 

We could write our own epithat on our Warden's tombstone.  The Warden: He died twirling his pike.

The Warden got killed because he couldn't voice his disinterest towards the enemy that he didn't want to fight another war. 

Modifié par Examurai1, 13 août 2013 - 03:41 .

[BackdoorPaco]

thebatmanreborn wrote...

I wouldn't necessarily want them as a party member, although it would be cool if they teamed up with you for a brief mission. People shouldn't expect them to act the same as they did in DAO and DA2. People change. No one on this board is the same person they were 7-10 years ago. Man, i think of all the things that have just happened over the last five years in my own life. People mature, beliefs can change, thoughts, experiences, all that shapes up people.

If you want something more than 2-d cookie cutter characters, you have to give Bioware some creative freedom when it comes to crafting characters and story. Yes, we have choice. But let's be reasonable. 

So, I hope the Warden and Hawk show up in DAI. Whether as a cameo or whatever. I wouldn't mind if they are acting different than from where I left them as long as it makes sense and is explained storywise. With that said, I can't wait for DAI!

This x ∞
Though I wouldn't mind them as party members.

Modifié par BackdoorPaco, 13 août 2013 - 03:44 .

[Iron Fist]

Examurai1 wrote...

The Warden got killed because he couldn't voice his disinterest towards the enemy that he didn't want to fight another war. 

Hawke died in a bar fight with a female dwarf, whom he claimed "didn't exist." If only he had chosen a more humorous tone...

Modifié par MevenSelas, 13 août 2013 - 03:49 .

[fiveforchaos]

I can see them maybe becoming assets, if there were an Asset based system like ME3. Give them a brief cameo, then never see them again except for some numbers on your screen. That could work, and you're still technically "recruiting them".

And I can see a Warden/Hawke cameo working in which Hawke does all the talking. I think it's canonically stated a couple times, that no matter how you player him/her the Warden's a man/woman of few words.

[Iron Fist]

fiveforchaos wrote...

I can see them maybe becoming assets, if there were an Asset based system like ME3. Give them a brief cameo, then never see them again except for some numbers on your screen. That could work, and you're still technically "recruiting them".

And I can see a Warden/Hawke cameo working in which Hawke does all the talking. I think it's canonically stated a couple times, that no matter how you player him/her the Warden's a man/woman of few words.

Would they really be "assets," though? Ferelden is returning in DAI, but it's UNLIKELY that either one of these two characters has been there in at least 10 years. And it's even more unlikely that they have EVER been to Orlais. Besides, Hawke is "better" (or just adequate) at dealing with local matters in Kirkwall. If you gave Hawke something international to deal with, we might all be screwed.