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[Toasted Llama]

And I keep saying, make the meeting optional...

Because, some people have dead Wardens, some people CLEARLY hate Hawke, some people don't want to revisit stories they think are "over".

And in my own book someone who saved an entire nation by stopping a Blight won't just "disappear". Especially if some people you've never seen before recognize you right off the bat as a Grey Warden lol
So I'm guessing at LEAST a hero of an entre nation (and tainted Old-God/Archdemon slayer) could be of some sort of help in a fight against demons.

[Argahawk]

Toasted Llama wrote...

And in my own book someone who saved an entire nation by stopping a Blight won't just "disappear". Especially if some people you've never seen before recognize you right off the bat as a Grey Warden lol
So I'm guessing at LEAST a hero of an entre nation (and tainted Old-God/Archdemon slayer) could be of some sort of help in a fight against demons.

I agree with You, as I can't believe that warden just disappear so easy (even is crossed Eluvian... Morrigan is alive right ? so why he/she can't be alive too??)

[Fast Jimmy]

Toasted Llama wrote...

And I keep saying, make the meeting optional...

Because, some people have dead Wardens, some people CLEARLY hate Hawke, some people don't want to revisit stories they think are "over".

And in my own book someone who saved an entire nation by stopping a Blight won't just "disappear". Especially if some people you've never seen before recognize you right off the bat as a Grey Warden lol
So I'm guessing at LEAST a hero of an entre nation (and tainted Old-God/Archdemon slayer) could be of some sort of help in a fight against demons.

The amount of resources that would be required to make this happen, even as an option, would be large. And, ultimately, little more than fan service. To me, that's not even close to being worth it. 

[Iron Fist]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Toasted Llama wrote...

And I keep saying, make the meeting optional...

Because, some people have dead Wardens, some people CLEARLY hate Hawke, some people don't want to revisit stories they think are "over".

And in my own book someone who saved an entire nation by stopping a Blight won't just "disappear". Especially if some people you've never seen before recognize you right off the bat as a Grey Warden lol
So I'm guessing at LEAST a hero of an entre nation (and tainted Old-God/Archdemon slayer) could be of some sort of help in a fight against demons.

The amount of resources that would be required to make this happen, even as an option, would be large. And, ultimately, little more than fan service. To me, that's not even close to being worth it. 

Precisely.

[Sheridan2010]

I do not want to see my Grey Warden in DAI.
It totally destroys my headcanon. Unfortunately, if the Grey Warden will be put into the game, I'll have to give up transfer saves .
But it's not a big sacrifice compared with the destruction of my postgame.

[Heimdall]

MevenSelas wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Toasted Llama wrote...

And I keep saying, make the meeting optional...

Because, some people have dead Wardens, some people CLEARLY hate Hawke, some people don't want to revisit stories they think are "over".

And in my own book someone who saved an entire nation by stopping a Blight won't just "disappear". Especially if some people you've never seen before recognize you right off the bat as a Grey Warden lol
So I'm guessing at LEAST a hero of an entre nation (and tainted Old-God/Archdemon slayer) could be of some sort of help in a fight against demons.

The amount of resources that would be required to make this happen, even as an option, would be large. And, ultimately, little more than fan service. To me, that's not even close to being worth it. 

Precisely.

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[Sejborg]

I must say. This is actually a terrible idea.

[DesmondHume]

glenboy24 wrote...

DesmondHume wrote...

Gaider, i want you to know that youre a pompous ass. Stop thinking so highly of yourself and thinking that only your ideas are correct and good, and maybe you'll actually produce a good cohesive plot unlike DA2

Right. Because I'm sure the opinion of some random spiteful forum troll is going to be of any significance to him as he continues his career as lead writer for a major game development studio. I'm sure while he's traveling around the world, enjoying the fans who appreciate him and the numerous successful games he's been a part of and his position as a creative lead in the game writer's industry, he's going to stop, unable to go forward with his career because what you think of him and his work matters so much. By the way, let us know when your next hit game that you wrote the story for comes out Desmound. I'm sure we'll all be eager to behold what superior narrative prose you accomplished... 

Sorry that i want bioware to actually produce a good game you stupid drone. People like gaider are the reason biowares been failing so hard nowadays. cocky idiots who would knock down ideas of someone else, but if they came up with that exact same idea, they would call themselves a genius. The people at bioware currently dont seem to care, its no wonder that their last 3 games have been massive disasters. DA2 shat on my wonder of DAO, ME3, albeit a good game, had one of the worst, most soul crushing endings ever. TOR was an unmitigated disaster. In both mass effect and dragon age, bioware introduced the series as rpgs, and then in the second games removed SO MANY rpg options because for whatever reason they believed it would make the games sell more (or EA forced them to), but it didnt. Dragon age origins sold almost twice the amount of DA2, and almost all of da2s sales came from preorders and day 1's. What happened to amazing games from bioware like mass effect 1, dragon age origins, baldurs gate, KOTOR, jade empire, and neverwinter nights. Im not some troll, im a disgruntled bioware fan whos upset with the direction of the studio and the people who are given power in the studio.

[Jerrybnsn]

MevenSelas wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The amount of resources that would be required to make this happen, even as an option, would be large. And, ultimately, little more than fan service. To me, that's not even close to being worth it. 

Precisely.

I disagree.  Fans are particular.  They would love to keep playing their warden if they could. It would add to sales of the game, and even confuse future purchesers who will think that DA2 was a sequel to Origins even though it has nothing to do with 1 or 3.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 13 août 2013 - 05:12 .

[Capt Beans]

No.

[Iron Fist]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I disagree.  Fans are particular.  They would love to keep playing their warden if they could. It would add to sales of the game, and even confuse future purchesers who will think that DA2 was a sequel to Origins even though it has nothing to do with 1 or 3.

This isn't about replaying the Warden, though. This is about having the Warden as an NPC. I doubt that sales are going to be driven by a cameo appearance by a previous protagonist.<_<

It's a waste of resources to account for every possible outcome. Same thing goes for Hawke, due to his or her different personalities/tones.

[Jerrybnsn]

MevenSelas wrote...


This isn't about replaying the Warden, though. This is about having the Warden as an NPC. I doubt that sales are going to be driven by a cameo appearance by a previous protagonist.<_<

Yes, I should really start a new thread about my perfect scenario for bringing Hawke and the Warden back.

[Fast Jimmy]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The amount of resources that would be required to make this happen, even as an option, would be large. And, ultimately, little more than fan service. To me, that's not even close to being worth it. [/u]

Precisely.

I disagree.  Fans are particular.  They would love to keep playing their warden if they could. It would add to sales of the game, and even confuse future purchesers who will think that DA2 was a sequel to Origins even though it has nothing to do with 1 or 3.

That doesn't really negate the amount of resources it would cost, nor the fact that many would not want of use such an option. 

If the decision is whether Bioware uses said resources to make a new game everyone loves or uses those resources to give a rather shallow call back to the characters of past games that not everyone would use/want, I'd say the much safer bet is to make the current game better. 

I really hope the solution to Hawke being "gone like the Warden" is that so done is gathering up the heroes of the world and killing them for some nefarious plan, so people can stop requesting this. It's sad when fans becoming obsessed prevents their heroes from living happily ever after, like what we got with DA:O/DA:A if you so chose, and instead having the best option be to simply kill them to prevent these types of requests from coming up. 

And, again, just more fuel to the fire of why the Save Import is a terrible video game design concept. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 13 août 2013 - 05:27 .

[David Gaider]

DesmondHume wrote...
Gaider, i want you to know that youre a pompous ass.

Since everything we do is so terrible, there's always an option: door's that way.

Here, let me help you.

[Rock Mu]

I have no desire at all to recruit them, but I do hope they don't end up as random cheesy boss fights or something like Revan in The Old Republic.

[Tootles FTW]

David Gaider wrote...

DesmondHume wrote...
Gaider, i want you to know that youre a pompous ass.

Since everything we do is so terrible, there's always an option: door's that way.

Here, let me help you.

I hope you don't get burned out on the comments of a few, Mr. Gaider.  I, for one, really appreciate that you & the other writers/devs take the time to interact with the online community. 
I also loved DA2 but that's neither here nor there. 

No Warden or Hawke companions, please.  I'm dying for cameos, though.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Lord Aesir wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The amount of resources that would be required to make this happen, even as an option, would be large. And, ultimately, little more than fan service. To me, that's not even close to being worth it. 

Precisely.

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Agreed.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 13 août 2013 - 05:39 .

[Toasted Llama]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Toasted Llama wrote...

And I keep saying, make the meeting optional...

Because, some people have dead Wardens, some people CLEARLY hate Hawke, some people don't want to revisit stories they think are "over".

And in my own book someone who saved an entire nation by stopping a Blight won't just "disappear". Especially if some people you've never seen before recognize you right off the bat as a Grey Warden lol
So I'm guessing at LEAST a hero of an entre nation (and tainted Old-God/Archdemon slayer) could be of some sort of help in a fight against demons.

The amount of resources that would be required to make this happen, even as an option, would be large. And, ultimately, little more than fan service. To me, that's not even close to being worth it. 

I consider most DLCs to be a "waste of resources" as well. Most DLCs (my experience spans from DA:O to ME2/ME3) add very little to the game in general and are just another bunch of sidequests or would've been alot better if they were stand-alone games with alot more depth in them. There are only a few exceptions that really "add" something new or important to the game.

I don't dislike them, but if you're going to say that an optional meeting with your previous characters as DLCs is a waste of resources, then you might as well show the door to other DLCs.

Bioware can always decide that in the future, if there's enough demand for it, AND WHILE THE GAME IS ALREADY MADE (and no resources can go to waste), to make a DLC for this meeting.

PS. Bioware likes to deliver fanservices apparently. If you've played Mass Effect this is a "small" hint to the Citadel DLC.

[Sejborg]

David Gaider wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
Or...are you saying that the epilogue counts as headcanon?

Some people also headcanon the epilogues. If Hawke romanced Isabela in DA2, it's mentioned that they remained together afterwards... but doing what? For how long? 

Well. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure "remained together" means "remained together". 

[RogueWriter3201]

David Gaider wrote...

DesmondHume wrote...
Gaider, i want you to know that youre a pompous ass.

Since everything we do is so terrible, there's always an option: door's that way.

Here, let me help you.

Come now, Mr. Gaider. You know better than to feed the trolls. It just validates their sad existence/cry for attention. Still: 'Ba-Zing!

[Iron Fist]

Sejborg wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
Or...are you saying that the epilogue counts as headcanon?

Some people also headcanon the epilogues. If Hawke romanced Isabela in DA2, it's mentioned that they remained together afterwards... but doing what? For how long? 

Well. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure "remained together" means "remained together". 

Hawke could have died of scurvy, been cremated, and "remains" with Isabela. Quite literally.

[Kalas Magnus]

David Gaider wrote...

DesmondHume wrote...
Gaider, i want you to know that youre a pompous ass.

Since everything we do is so terrible, there's always an option: door's that way.

Here, let me help you.

great response.
(no sarcasm)

[devSin]

Sejborg wrote...

Well. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure "remained together" means "remained together". 

Being a couple doesn't imply spending every second of every day in close physical proximity to one another, however.

If Fenris or Hawke have to run off to do something for a few months (or however long), does it really matter? As long as we're told that they'll return to each other eventually (or instead will never see each other again), I'm not sure there's much reason to not have them hopping around independently in the meantime (except, as David says, to not violate somebody's individual head-canon).

glenboy24 wrote...

Come now, Mr. Gaider. You know better than to feed the trolls. It just validates their sad existence/cry for attention. Still: 'Ba-Zing!

Actually, I think he just banned the guy.

That's the beauty of having mastery over both the forum and the written word.

Modifié par devSin, 13 août 2013 - 06:18 .

[Sejborg]

MevenSelas wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
Or...are you saying that the epilogue counts as headcanon?

Some people also headcanon the epilogues. If Hawke romanced Isabela in DA2, it's mentioned that they remained together afterwards... but doing what? For how long? 

Well. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure "remained together" means "remained together". 

Hawke could have died of scurvy, been cremated, and "remains" with Isabela. Quite literally.

Yes. But the point is: "remained together" means "remained together". 

"remained together" do not mean "remained together - until one of them just sort of wandered off" - or whatever happened that means that they no longer "remained together". 

But I could be wrong. 

[Iron Fist]

Sejborg wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

Hawke could have died of scurvy, been cremated, and "remains" with Isabela. Quite literally.

Yes. But the point is: "remained together" means "remained together". 

"remained together" do not mean "remained together - until one of them just sort of wandered off" - or whatever happened that means that they no longer "remained together". 

But I could be wrong. 

 You missed the joke.