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[VampireSoap]

In my opinon, no matter who wins at the end of the conflict, the strength of the mages is going to be greatly diminished as a result. And that's the perfect moment for the Qunari to invade Thedas because there'll be little opposition to the mighty Qunari cannons. What do you think?

"We are the Qun, resistance is futile. We will destroy your individual identity and take all your cookies!"

Modifié par VampireSoap, 12 août 2013 - 01:00 .

[Mercedes-Benz]

Sten said to the Warden in Dragon Age: Origins that "The day will come when the Arishok sends us here (to invade Ferelden)", so I am guessing that they will invade, even though if Sten is the Arishok, that might change things, especially if the Warden is the King of Ferelden.

[VampireSoap]

I wonder if the kings of Thedas can just bride the Qunari with cookies...lol

I mean, a normalized trade relationship can actually help to smooth things.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Qunari aren't communists.....

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qunari aren't communists.....

True, they're institutionally riven with totalitarianism instead of it being a side effect of incompatibility with human nature thus far. However, in spirit, they're not terribly far away.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qunari aren't communists.....

True, they're institutionally riven with totalitarianism instead of it being a side effect of incompatibility with human nature thus far. However, in spirit, they're not terribly far away.

The Qunari are awesome

[Xilizhra]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qunari aren't communists.....

True, they're institutionally riven with totalitarianism instead of it being a side effect of incompatibility with human nature thus far. However, in spirit, they're not terribly far away.

The Qunari are awesome

Awesome in scope and power, which in no way makes them good for the world.

[KainD]

Isn't Tevinter a dam between Qunari and Ferelden?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Even in spirit they are extrmely far away.

Qunari are Qunari. The Qun is an ideology of itself. Only severely imagination impaired people, need some buzz words like " fanatical", "communist", "islamic" or "borg", to kickstart their comprehension of the Qunari people.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 12 août 2013 - 02:14 .

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Even in spirit they are extrmely far away.

Qunari are Qunari. The Qun is an ideology of itself. Only severely imagination impaired people, need some buzz words like " fanatical", "communist" or "islamic", to kickstart their comprehension of the Qunari people.

Either way, given that the darkspawn don't seem intelligent enough for morality to really apply to them, the qunari are the greatest evil Thedas has ever seen, and among its worst threats.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qunari aren't communists.....

True, they're institutionally riven with totalitarianism instead of it being a side effect of incompatibility with human nature thus far. However, in spirit, they're not terribly far away.

The Qunari are awesome

Awesome in scope and power, which in no way makes them good for the world.

Meh, they'd wouldn't be good for all of Thedas but they'd still be good

[KainD]

Xilizhra wrote...

Awesome in scope and power, which in no way makes them good for the world.

The funny thing is, ''good'' is subjective from each persons perspective. But perspective comes from an individual standpoint, which Qunari are not supposed to have. So yeah, you are right, they are not good for the world in any way. :happy:

[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Even in spirit they are extrmely far away.

Qunari are Qunari. The Qun is an ideology of itself. Only severely imagination impaired people, need some buzz words like " fanatical", "communist" or "islamic", to kickstart their comprehension of the Qunari people.

Either way, given that the darkspawn don't seem intelligent enough for morality to really apply to them, the qunari are the greatest evil Thedas has ever seen, and among its worst threats.

To your standards perhaps. But, people don't neccesarily subscribe to your personal beleifs of good and evil, and might have reached conclusions of their own.

[Xilizhra]

To your standards perhaps. But, people don't neccesarily subscribe to your personal beleifs of good and evil, and might have reached conclusions of their own.

As is the case with everything to do about morality or perspective, so it seems highly redundant to bring it up bereft of further points.

[Potato Cat]

I know some people hate the Qunari ideology, I know my best friend would absolutely loathe them. Myself, I love them and agree with almost every part of it, bar the restrictive gender roles and harshness of their treatment, but of course they need to be balanced somehow. But on topic...

No. Mostly because Tevinter will remain and Tevinter is their biggest obstacle to the rest of Thedas. The templars are strong and lyrium addled, but I don't think they're idiots. They'll hunt the individual mages in their area and target larger gatherings of apostates. Against Tevinter, they will be killed, anti-magic 'magic' regardless. It's also not in their interests to weaken Tevinter, because the dwarves also deal with Tevinter and upsetting them would affect their lyrium supply. If anything, I think the Qunari will lose out. Tevinter only looks to gain from the conflict in my opinion, which is at the loss of the poor Qunari.

[reeferdemon]

I think what makes the Qunari "evil" in my eyes is the fact that they would impose their beliefs on the world and force it on people through an invasion. That alone makes them enemies to me, because I believe in individuality, which the Qun are more or less against.

But more on topic, I think it would be a great chance to strike, but I feel we'll more likely see something in the next game.

[Fast Jimmy]

The Qunari have introduced superior technology, medical care and education for their general populace, much more than the Chantry, the Elves, the Mages or any other demographic in the Thedosian power play has done.

Sure, it comes at the expense of a brutal and totalitarian regime... but given the setting of Thedas, I'd take the society that is actively working to become better and where one can legitimately work your way up the ladder of society rather than it being determined if you are born of a noble or common house, or if you have the genetic predisposition to shoot lights out of your fingers.

[sandalisthemaker]

I have no doubt that they are just biding their time before they attempt another invasion. Hopefully the rest of Thedas can put aside their differences and unite when the time comes.

[AresKeith]

This would be a fun next game, though I wouldn't kill all of the Qunari

[VampireSoap]

Single-party rule, means of production collectively owned by the society, free access to articles of consumption, distribution based on need. Yeah, they aren't communists. I imagined all that. My bad.

[Xilizhra]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Qunari have introduced superior technology, medical care and education for their general populace, much more than the Chantry, the Elves, the Mages or any other demographic in the Thedosian power play has done.

Sure, it comes at the expense of a brutal and totalitarian regime... but given the setting of Thedas, I'd take the society that is actively working to become better and where one can legitimately work your way up the ladder of society rather than it being determined if you are born of a noble or common house, or if you have the genetic predisposition to shoot lights out of your fingers.

Complete conjecture. You have no way of knowing that the qunari came up with it, only that they have it. It says nothing at all about the character of their society that they have better technology; it's like congratuating Germany for inventing flight or warships; you have no way of knowing how tall the giants are whose shoulders they stood upon. In fact... given that their technology doesn't seem to have advanced any faster than the rest of Thedas' since the end of the Steel Age when they first appeared, it would seem that the Qun isn't conducive to technological development at all, probably due to brutal thought control. Which is hardly surprising.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

To your standards perhaps. But, people don't neccesarily subscribe to your personal beleifs of good and evil, and might have reached conclusions of their own.

As is the case with everything to do about morality or perspective, so it seems highly redundant to bring it up bereft of further points.

I was merely disputing your claim of to the "evil nature" of the Qunari. If is see someone make an absolutist statement on a relative matter, I feel obligated to dispute them. You could also just have said "the colour red is beautiful", and I would also have disputed that.

On topic: Yes. The Qunari will try to invade again at some point. It is part of their belief. They believe their society is far superior to the current ones in the rest of Thedas, and thus feel they are obligated to enlighten the rest of Thedas. If they ever came across another society they deemed worthy of coeexistance, would be an interresting scenario if you ask me.

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To your standards perhaps. But, people don't neccesarily subscribe to your personal beleifs of good and evil, and might have reached conclusions of their own.

As is the case with everything to do about morality or perspective, so it seems highly redundant to bring it up bereft of further points.

I was merely disputing your claim of to the "evil nature" of the Qunari. If is see someone make an absolutist statement on a relative matter, I feel obligated to dispute them. You could also just have said "the colour red is beautiful", and I would also have disputed that.

On topic: Yes. The Qunari will try to invade again at some point. It is part of their belief. They believe their society is far superior to the current ones in the rest of Thedas, and thus feel they are obligated to enlighten the rest of Thedas. If they ever came across another society they deemed worthy of coeexistance, would be an interresting scenario if you ask me.

Given the unlikelihood of being able to wage a whole war from the perspective of the PC conventionally, I believe my solution of having the Qun turn out to be some kind of spell, possibly from Koslun, keeping the qunari bound, would be the best ultimate end. That I can think of right now, at any rate.

[EmperorSahlertz]

VampireSoap wrote...

Single-party rule, means of production collectively owned by the society, free access to articles of consumption, distribution based on need. Yeah, they aren't communists. I imagined all that. My bad.

I did not realize that selective breeding, removed social identity, and aggressive expansionism, was part of the communistic agenda....

Qunari are NOT communists. There might be similarities between the two, sure. That does not make them the same though. Buddhist and Hindus also share alot of similarities, I wouldn't call those two religions the same either.

[Malanek]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Qunari have introduced superior technology, medical care and education for their general populace, much more than the Chantry, the Elves, the Mages or any other demographic in the Thedosian power play has done.

Sure, it comes at the expense of a brutal and totalitarian regime... but given the setting of Thedas, I'd take the society that is actively working to become better and where one can legitimately work your way up the ladder of society rather than it being determined if you are born of a noble or common house, or if you have the genetic predisposition to shoot lights out of your fingers.

You don't know how long it took them to get there.

DA is an approximation of feudal times. Ultimately in the real world humans moved through the stage that this is based on to becoming (somewhat) more enlightened over a few hundred years. The Qunari could simply be older.