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[EmperorSahlertz]

Malanek999 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Qunari have introduced superior technology, medical care and education for their general populace, much more than the Chantry, the Elves, the Mages or any other demographic in the Thedosian power play has done.

Sure, it comes at the expense of a brutal and totalitarian regime... but given the setting of Thedas, I'd take the society that is actively working to become better and where one can legitimately work your way up the ladder of society rather than it being determined if you are born of a noble or common house, or if you have the genetic predisposition to shoot lights out of your fingers.

You don't know how long it took them to get there.

DA is an approximation of feudal times. Ultimately in the real world humans moved through the stage that this is based on to becoming (somewhat) more enlightened over a few hundred years. The Qunari could simply be older. 

Well, in 900 years, human society havn't evovled at all technologically speaking. Qunari society have evolved at least sociologically in the few hundred years they have been present in Thedas.

[VampireSoap]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Single-party rule, means of production collectively owned by the society, free access to articles of consumption, distribution based on need. Yeah, they aren't communists. I imagined all that. My bad.

I did not realize that selective breeding, removed social identity, and aggressive expansionism, was part of the communistic agenda....

Qunari are NOT communists. There might be similarities between the two, sure. That does not make them the same though. Buddhist and Hindus also share alot of similarities, I wouldn't call those two religions the same either.

:lol: those are exactly part of the communist agenda. Marx repeatedly critisizes the traditional family structure. In his utopia, all children are raised by the state, and sex is always a product of noncommited relationships. Without private property, individuality is naturally out the window. And it is a communist's duty to rid the world of the evil that is capitalism...by force. He emphasizes a million times that violent revolution is the only solution. So, yeah, go read the communist manifesto, please.

Modifié par VampireSoap, 12 août 2013 - 02:54 .

[Palidane]

I have to say the Qunari are a clear and present danger to Thedas, but nobody else seems to realize that. We know they have been building up their army and navy, and we know that Tevinter is decaying. I'm sure Minrathous could make a mean last stand, but they won't be able to safeguard the rest of Thedas when things heat up.

Sten makes it clear to the Warden that he expects to return to Ferelden within his lifetime, with an army at his back. Now, Sten isn't one to make idle threats, and he was the second highest officer in the Qunari military at the time. Think about the magnitude of that plan. To get to Ferelden from Par Vollen, they'd have to push the Templars and the Chantry out of Rivain, defeat the Feliscima Armada, drop the hammer on the Antivan Crows, move into the Marches and take Starkhaven and Tantervale, probably pissing off Nevarra in the process. They then have to take Kirkwall (shouldn't be too hard, they practically did it already) before crossing the Waking Sea to throw down with Fergus Couseland at Highever or the Grey Wardens at Amaranthine.

The Qunari are literally planning to take over the entire world. We have got to start preparing before the storm comes.

Modifié par Palidane, 12 août 2013 - 03:02 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Marxism and communism is not the same either.... Communism derives from Marxism. Or to be more correct, Marxism derives from natural communism, and modern communism derives from Marxism. And for the record, Maoism (chinese "communism") was not communism either.

[Potato Cat]

Palidane wrote...

I have to say the Qunari are a clear and present danger to Thedas, but nobody else seems to realize that. We know they have been building up their army and navy, and we know that Tevinter is decaying. I'm sure Minrathous could make a mean last stand, but they won't be able to safeguard the rest of Thedas anymore.

Sten makes it clear to the Warden that he expects to return to Ferelden within his lifetime, with an army at his back. Now, Sten isn't one to make idle threats, and he was the second highest officer in the Qunari military at the time. Think about the magnitude of that plan. To get to Ferelden from Par Vollen, they'd have to push the Templars and the Chantry out of Rivain, defeat the Feliscima Armada, drop the hammer on the Antivan Crows, move into the Marches and take Starkhaven and Tantervale, probably pissing off Nevarra in the process. They then have to take Kirkwall (shouldn't be too hard, they practically did it already) before crossing the Waking Sea to throw down with Fergus Couseland at Highever or the Grey Wardens at Amaranthine.

The Qunari are literally planning to take over the entire world. We have got to start preparing before the storm comes.

Actually the Chantry's in Rivain is more symbolic than anything else. They're more pagan than Andrastrian and are losing people to the Qun because it does not differ greatly from their own religion. I think it's only the hedge witches and the respect they hold for them keeping the Qun at bay in Rivian.

[Malanek]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Qunari have introduced superior technology, medical care and education for their general populace, much more than the Chantry, the Elves, the Mages or any other demographic in the Thedosian power play has done.

Sure, it comes at the expense of a brutal and totalitarian regime... but given the setting of Thedas, I'd take the society that is actively working to become better and where one can legitimately work your way up the ladder of society rather than it being determined if you are born of a noble or common house, or if you have the genetic predisposition to shoot lights out of your fingers.

You don't know how long it took them to get there.

DA is an approximation of feudal times. Ultimately in the real world humans moved through the stage that this is based on to becoming (somewhat) more enlightened over a few hundred years. The Qunari could simply be older. 

Well, in 900 years, human society havn't evovled at all technologically speaking. Qunari society have evolved at least sociologically in the few hundred years they have been present in Thedas.

How have they evolved? Humans have evolved somewaht from a technological point of view, they learned how to destroy arch-demons which was somewhat important.

Modifié par Malanek999, 12 août 2013 - 03:06 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Malanek999 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Qunari have introduced superior technology, medical care and education for their general populace, much more than the Chantry, the Elves, the Mages or any other demographic in the Thedosian power play has done.

Sure, it comes at the expense of a brutal and totalitarian regime... but given the setting of Thedas, I'd take the society that is actively working to become better and where one can legitimately work your way up the ladder of society rather than it being determined if you are born of a noble or common house, or if you have the genetic predisposition to shoot lights out of your fingers.

You don't know how long it took them to get there.

DA is an approximation of feudal times. Ultimately in the real world humans moved through the stage that this is based on to becoming (somewhat) more enlightened over a few hundred years. The Qunari could simply be older. 

Well, in 900 years, human society havn't evovled at all technologically speaking. Qunari society have evolved at least sociologically in the few hundred years they have been present in Thedas.

How have they evolved? Humans have evolved somewaht from a technological point of view, they learned how to destroy arch-demons which was somewhat important.

The humans learned that over 1000 years ago. And the Qunari have evolved sociologically for isntance, in letting other races join them, and they have developed new roles within the Qun, as such roles became needed.

[VampireSoap]

Palidane wrote...

I have to say the Qunari are a clear and present danger to Thedas, but nobody else seems to realize that. We know they have been building up their army and navy, and we know that Tevinter is decaying. I'm sure Minrathous could make a mean last stand, but they won't be able to safeguard the rest of Thedas when things heat up.

Sten makes it clear to the Warden that he expects to return to Ferelden within his lifetime, with an army at his back. Now, Sten isn't one to make idle threats, and he was the second highest officer in the Qunari military at the time. Think about the magnitude of that plan. To get to Ferelden from Par Vollen, they'd have to push the Templars and the Chantry out of Rivain, defeat the Feliscima Armada, drop the hammer on the Antivan Crows, move into the Marches and take Starkhaven and Tantervale, probably pissing off Nevarra in the process. They then have to take Kirkwall (shouldn't be too hard, they practically did it already) before crossing the Waking Sea to throw down with Fergus Couseland at Highever or the Grey Wardens at Amaranthine.

The Qunari are literally planning to take over the entire world. We have got to start preparing before the storm comes.

Yeah, I also suspected that the invasion plan must involve all countries in Thedas. A Qunari world conquest is actually not unlikely from my point of view, since the chantry is unlike to be able to raise an Exalted March this time. The Qunari can easily divide and conquer as they like.

[VampireSoap]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Marxism and communism is not the same either.... Communism derives from Marxism. Or to be more correct, Marxism derives from natural communism, and modern communism derives from Marxism. And for the record, Maoism (chinese "communism") was not communism either.

All the socialist states ever existed in human history are simply perversions of the Marxist ideals? Marxist ideals that would have created a paradise on Earth if we had only given them a chance? Western scholars usually view that as a common excuse used by the commies, but the neo-marxist argument will have to wait, my friend. So let's shake hands and invest more time into the topic discussion alright?

Modifié par VampireSoap, 12 août 2013 - 03:20 .

[Clark Yang]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qunari aren't communists.....

Qunari and communists have a little in common .....

[Ausstig]

The followers of the Qun are the most evil faction in the game, they are also very close to stalinist communism, so the points are valid.

The Qun suppresses free will, is an attempt to destroy it, so yeah I agree with Xil.

I know I am shocked as well.

[BouncyFrag]

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

[9TailsFox]

BouncyFrag wrote...

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

And they sew your mouth and you do everything they say.

[VampireSoap]

BouncyFrag wrote...

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

Well, you wouldn't have said that if you're a woman. As soon as you reach maturity, they just put you in a locked room and tell you to be ****ed by a guy you don't even know. After you are raped and pregnant and have given birth, you can't even see your child ever again. Yeah, bet the Qun propaganda machine didn't tell what you were in for.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Uh that's definitely not what the Qunari do. Women aren't just baby machines. Everyone has a place in society, including women. There is no rape involved. In fact, they have arguably the most important role in the Qun, because the tamassans (ie the priests who decide everything) are all female.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 12 août 2013 - 06:38 .

[Parmida]

The title made me giggle. It reminded me of the Book Chute in the sink of FallOut:New Vegas.
http://fallout.wikia...wiki/Book_Chute

Modifié par Parmida, 12 août 2013 - 06:44 .

[Parmida]

VampireSoap wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

Well, you wouldn't have said that if you're a woman. As soon as you reach maturity, they just put you in a locked room and tell you to be ****ed by a guy you don't even know. After you are raped and pregnant and have given birth, you can't even see your child ever again. Yeah, bet the Qun propaganda machine didn't tell what you were in for.

DUDE! What a total haul! no way that's copasheshy!

[VampireSoap]

1. You have no say in the matter of who you ****
2. If you refuse, well...you can't. They practically force you to do anything they like
3. Most of the female Qunari just accept it as their fate, but some bound to be defiant.

Conclusion: State authorized rape is common and inevitable in such a society.

[Mimitochan]

Qunari are communists??

[Parmida]

VampireSoap wrote...

1. You have no say in the matter of who you ****
2. If you refuse, well...you can't. They practically force you to do anything they like
3. Most of the female Qunari just accept it as their fate, but some bound to be defiant.

Conclusion: State authorized rape is common and inevitable in such a society.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Qunari don't associate sex with anything but breeding. That doesn't mean the utilize "state authorized rape." Especially since the state is run by women.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 12 août 2013 - 07:45 .

[Nightwing99]

This could be an interesting story line for the fourth game your Inquisitor: Saved world, but the nations in a weak suit

your new main character can be a Some one trying to stop the invasion or some one trying to lead a revolution

[Hilarystamp]

[quote]Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Qunari don't associate sex with anything but breeding. That doesn't mean the utilize "state authorized rape." Especially since the state is run by women.
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It is indeed NOT run by women, they only handle part of the triuverate( or however you spell it). They chose the role the children( or new recruit) in the society. Or decide if they would be better off as mindless idiots.  


For the sex topic,  it is not so far off for someone to say its "rape".    To be forced to have sex with someone( who you may never have met) without the willingness from that person could justify that claim,   However true followers of the Qun believe it is their duty and only way of making life better for all. So there is still a willingness to some extent. So it is not total " rape". 

I find the Quarri to be brainwashed idiots who have lost touch with the world around them, so if there is war with them in the future. Ill kill them all!

[VampireSoap]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Qunari don't associate sex with anything but breeding. That doesn't mean the utilize "state authorized rape." Especially since the state is run by women.

Not all Qunari associate sex with only breeding. Your assumption is illogical, since a group of Qunari actually rises up in open rebellion against the state, and therefore it's natural to deduce that some females who are not as brave can only suffer in silence. And the state is not run by women, it is run by the totalitarian ideal that is the Qun. And the Qun dictates who you **** along with every other aspect of your life.

[Hilarystamp]

VampireSoap wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Qunari don't associate sex with anything but breeding. That doesn't mean the utilize "state authorized rape." Especially since the state is run by women.

Not all Qunari associate sex with only breeding. Your assumption is illogical, since a group of Qunari actually rises up in open rebellion against the state, and therefore it's natural to deduce that some females who are not as brave can only suffer in silence. And the state is not run by women, it is run by the totalitarian ideal that is the Qun. And the Qun dictates who you **** along with every other aspect of your life.

  
The Ideals of the the Qun itself is not bad.........but they way that act upon those beliefs are.