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[VampireSoap]

Nightwing99 wrote...

This could be an interesting story line for the fourth game your Inquisitor: Saved world, but the nations in a weak suit

your new main character can be a Some one trying to stop the invasion or some one trying to lead a revolution

I really hope there won't be a fourth game...I mean, let's just admit it, the DA series should've ended when the legendary warden struck down the Archdemon in the year of 9:31 Dragon Age.

[Hilarystamp]

VampireSoap wrote...

Nightwing99 wrote...

This could be an interesting story line for the fourth game your Inquisitor: Saved world, but the nations in a weak suit

your new main character can be a Some one trying to stop the invasion or some one trying to lead a revolution

I really hope there won't be a fourth game...I mean, let's just admit it, the DA series should've ended when the legendary warden struck down the Archdemon in the year of 9:31 Dragon Age.

Why?  There is a whole world out their yet to be discovered.......many more adventures! Many more games

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hilarystamp wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Nightwing99 wrote...

This could be an interesting story line for the fourth game your Inquisitor: Saved world, but the nations in a weak suit

your new main character can be a Some one trying to stop the invasion or some one trying to lead a revolution

I really hope there won't be a fourth game...I mean, let's just admit it, the DA series should've ended when the legendary warden struck down the Archdemon in the year of 9:31 Dragon Age.

Why?  There is a whole world out their yet to be discovered.......many more adventures! Many more games

Yeah i would be glad if they finally let me be independent adventurer like in baldur's gate ,warden was nearest that because game allowed us be independent until awakening. 

[BouncyFrag]

VampireSoap wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

Well, you wouldn't have said that if you're a woman. As soon as you reach maturity, they just put you in a locked room and tell you to be ****ed by a guy you don't even know. After you are raped and pregnant and have given birth, you can't even see your child ever again. Yeah, bet the Qun propaganda machine didn't tell what you were in for.

Hmmmm...I didn't know that. Its a good thing all of this is just fiction or I'd actually care.

[KiwiQuiche]

Well, then the Chantry will get their comeuppance if they do away with mages. Serves them right to be indoctrinated and enslaved, see how they like it.

[VampireSoap]

Hilarystamp wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

I really hope there won't be a fourth game...I mean, let's just admit it, the DA series should've ended when the legendary warden struck down the Archdemon in the year of 9:31 Dragon Age.

Why?  There is a whole world out their yet to be discovered.......many more adventures! Many more games

And much more money, of course Death to game milking! Death to all unnecessary sequels!!

[EmperorSahlertz]

VampireSoap wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

Well, you wouldn't have said that if you're a woman. As soon as you reach maturity, they just put you in a locked room and tell you to be ****ed by a guy you don't even know. After you are raped and pregnant and have given birth, you can't even see your child ever again. Yeah, bet the Qun propaganda machine didn't tell what you were in for.

This shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the Qunari mindset. We usually connect sex with intimacy and lust. This is partially why rape is considered such a terrible crime, it is a severe invasion of the privacy we value. Qunari don't connect sex with intimacy or lust. They connect sex with multiplying, breeding. They see it as their duty to submit to it, when they are called upon to participate. That is why they do not see it as such an invasion of their privacy. Likewise, where we value family very highly, the Qunari does not have the same concept of family as we do. We often seek fulfillment in the pursue of family. The Qunari does not. The Qunari seeks fulfillment, in perfection of their duty to the Qun, and they get companionship from their fellow Qunari.
The Qunari are alien, so trying to apply your own set of standards and morals, and then decrying the Qunari as monsters for not following them, just shows how much you have not even tried to understand them.

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

Well, you wouldn't have said that if you're a woman. As soon as you reach maturity, they just put you in a locked room and tell you to be ****ed by a guy you don't even know. After you are raped and pregnant and have given birth, you can't even see your child ever again. Yeah, bet the Qun propaganda machine didn't tell what you were in for.

This shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the Qunari mindset. We usually connect sex with intimacy and lust. This is partially why rape is considered such a terrible crime, it is a severe invasion of the privacy we value. Qunari don't connect sex with intimacy or lust. They connect sex with multiplying, breeding. They see it as their duty to submit to it, when they are called upon to participate. That is why they do not see it as such an invasion of their privacy. Likewise, where we value family very highly, the Qunari does not have the same concept of family as we do. We often seek fulfillment in the pursue of family. The Qunari does not. The Qunari seeks fulfillment, in perfection of their duty to the Qun, and they get companionship from their fellow Qunari.
The Qunari are alien, so trying to apply your own set of standards and morals, and then decrying the Qunari as monsters for not following them, just shows how much you have not even tried to understand them.

If the kossith race is biologically tuned to be all right with this, that's fine. However, the qunari conquer and assimilate other races and impose their own standards and morals on them, so humans and elves would be subject to the same treatment... which I very much doubt is in any way psychologically healthy.

Also, since the qunari are probably not the whole of their race (given that their civilian population only fills two islands; they come across as religious/political exiles more than anything else), it might not be the best choice for even the hornhead race.

[DarthCaine]

communist

[billy the squid]

VampireSoap wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

Well, you wouldn't have said that if you're a woman. As soon as you reach maturity, they just put you in a locked room and tell you to be ****ed by a guy you don't even know. After you are raped and pregnant and have given birth, you can't even see your child ever again. Yeah, bet the Qun propaganda machine didn't tell what you were in for.

You do realise that the Qunari selective breeding program is run by women right? The Tamassrans,they have to undergo the same practice, so why would they institute a system of rape when they undergo it themselves? You're so full of rubbish.

It's eugenics, to provide the best possible traits for a particular role. It's actually better than any arranged mariage system which pervades feudal Thedas which trades people about like chattel for political and dynastic gains. Outside of perhaps only a single encounter, the Qunari may not have anything to do with one another again, they can go back to their other partners and continue their life. Its utterly impersonal and mechanical, but its in no shape or form sadistic abuse, the behaviour rape often entails.

The Qunari system is designed to produce offspring with genetic traits, that's it. There's no indication of rape other than what you just made up. The Qunari, don't damage and waste resources with needless sadism. Any breeding is going to be under tight control and such instances where one mates outside the breeding program or other issues and possible abuses are going to be delt with harshly by the  Ben-Hassrath.

[KainD]

Qunari to me are like animals. They just survive and procreate, and do not have any other goals in life, ( well besides making everyone else into animals as well. )
They do not have individual goals like regular people do, they do not find that something worth living for that each person decides for themselves.
Thus Qunari are to be treated like dangerous animals. Put in a cage or killed, and it shouldn't be a big deal. Maybe a preserve could be built for some number of them, to study their ways of life and to enjoy one of the many wonders of nature.

[Xilizhra]

KainD wrote...

Qunari to me are like animals. They just survive and procreate, and do not have any other goals in life, ( well besides making everyone else into animals as well. )
They do not have individual goals like regular people do, they do not find that something worth living for that each person decides for themselves.
Thus Qunari are to be treated like dangerous animals. Put in a cage or killed, and it shouldn't be a big deal. Maybe a preserve could be built for some number of them, to study their ways of life and to enjoy one of the many wonders of nature.

However, they're still capable of choice; they're still sapient, and ultimately that disqualifies them from that state. I'm opposed to dehumanization even against my enemies.

[billy the squid]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

Well, you wouldn't have said that if you're a woman. As soon as you reach maturity, they just put you in a locked room and tell you to be ****ed by a guy you don't even know. After you are raped and pregnant and have given birth, you can't even see your child ever again. Yeah, bet the Qun propaganda machine didn't tell what you were in for.

This shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the Qunari mindset. We usually connect sex with intimacy and lust. This is partially why rape is considered such a terrible crime, it is a severe invasion of the privacy we value. Qunari don't connect sex with intimacy or lust. They connect sex with multiplying, breeding. They see it as their duty to submit to it, when they are called upon to participate. That is why they do not see it as such an invasion of their privacy. Likewise, where we value family very highly, the Qunari does not have the same concept of family as we do. We often seek fulfillment in the pursue of family. The Qunari does not. The Qunari seeks fulfillment, in perfection of their duty to the Qun, and they get companionship from their fellow Qunari.
The Qunari are alien, so trying to apply your own set of standards and morals, and then decrying the Qunari as monsters for not following them, just shows how much you have not even tried to understand them.

If the kossith race is biologically tuned to be all right with this, that's fine. However, the qunari conquer and assimilate other races and impose their own standards and morals on them, so humans and elves would be subject to the same treatment... which I very much doubt is in any way psychologically healthy.

Also, since the qunari are probably not the whole of their race (given that their civilian population only fills two islands; they come across as religious/political exiles more than anything else), it might not be the best choice for even the hornhead race.

So Humans don't have arranged marriages? And marriage isn't about dynastic and politics, as well as establishing family status? Dwarves don't have arranged marriages to strengthen the clans and cast bonds? Elves don't have elders which are involved in their marriage contracts?

See what I said above for further explaination, but frankly the Qunari system lacks the negative consequences of the systems present in Thedas. It's impersonal and mechanical, but not more so than marrying for politics which is so common. But, it has no bearing on the relationship a Qunari has with another Qunari outside the breeding program, unlike a political marriage in Thedas and it still has none of the potential risks of abusive violent relationships, as it's tightly controlled and overseen by the Tamarassan and Ben Harthass. 

[Xilizhra]

So Humans don't have arranged marriages? And marriage isn't about dynastic and politics, as well as establishing family status? Dwarves don't have arranged marriages to strengthen the clans and cast bonds? Elves don't have elders which are involved in their marriage contracts?

I don't agree with any of that either, but we were talking about qunari. Also, only city elves have that marriage system; the Dalish are free to choose whom they will.

See what I said above for further explaination, but frankly the Qunari system lacks the negative consequences of the systems present in Thedas. It's impersonal and mechanical, but not more so than marrying for politics which is so common. But, it has no bearing on the relationship a Qunari has with another Qunari outside the breeding program, unlike a political marriage in Thedas and it still has none of the potential risks of abusive violent relationships, as it's tightly controlled and overseen by the Tamarassan and Ben Harthass.

I think you're making assumptions about oversight that may or may not be actually true.

[billy the squid]

KainD wrote...

Qunari to me are like animals. They just survive and procreate, and do not have any other goals in life, ( well besides making everyone else into animals as well. )
They do not have individual goals like regular people do, they do not find that something worth living for that each person decides for themselves.
Thus Qunari are to be treated like dangerous animals. Put in a cage or killed, and it shouldn't be a big deal. Maybe a preserve could be built for some number of them, to study their ways of life and to enjoy one of the many wonders of nature.

That's rather stupid isn't it. 

Advanced social welfare system, better medical care, an egalitarian meritocracy, no one goes hungry, universal standards of education, complete lack of nepotism. They have a drive to achieve enlightenment and become the best at what position they are placed in, while equating themselves and their actions with the advancement and benefit of all Qunari. To have such benefits the chaotic infighting and selfishness of the races on Thedas isn't going to work within the Qun, hence the far stricter controls. It's the only way to institute the benefits.

Better than the animals that populate Thedas, thinking only of the individual. The Qunari think of the whole. It's a completely different mindset.

[Xilizhra]

Advanced social welfare system, better medical care, an egalitarian meritocracy, no one goes hungry, universal standards of education, complete lack of nepotism. They have a drive to achieve enlightenment and become the best at what position they are placed in, while equating themselves and their actions with the advancement and benefit of all Qunari. To have such benefits the chaotic infighting and selfishness of the races on Thedas isn't going to work within the Qun, hence the far stricter controls. It's the only way to institute the benefits.

That's what they say. Personally, I very much doubt that they truly are that perfect... and if they are, it's definitely some kind of spell making it so.

Better than the animals that populate Thedas, thinking only of the individual. The Qunari think of the whole. It's a completely different mindset.

No, they think only of the qunari, and how everyone else might be assimilated or plowed under.

[KainD]

Xilizhra wrote...

However, they're still capable of choice; they're still sapient, and ultimately that disqualifies them from that state. I'm opposed to dehumanization even against my enemies.

So what you are saying is - because they choose to be an animal, they are not animals? I guess that makes some sense. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

KainD wrote...

Qunari to me are like animals. They just survive and procreate, and do not have any other goals in life, ( well besides making everyone else into animals as well. )
They do not have individual goals like regular people do, they do not find that something worth living for that each person decides for themselves.
Thus Qunari are to be treated like dangerous animals. Put in a cage or killed, and it shouldn't be a big deal. Maybe a preserve could be built for some number of them, to study their ways of life and to enjoy one of the many wonders of nature.

........... What? 
What the actual **** are you even talking about? First of all, the Qunari are cognisient sentient beings, which right there disqualifies them for the term "animal". Secondly there are individual goals for the Qunari. Qunari do have ambition. However, this ambition is not neccesarily fueled by selfish desires. Shocking right?
So, basically you are just another with a lack of understanding, and with pretty much nothing to add to the topic...

[Xilizhra]

KainD wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

However, they're still capable of choice; they're still sapient, and ultimately that disqualifies them from that state. I'm opposed to dehumanization even against my enemies.

So what you are saying is - because they choose to be an animal, they are not animals? I guess that makes some sense. 

Something along those lines.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

If they indeed do this, I'll be more than happy to give the Qunari my full support. Nothing will stand in our way and a new era shall begin.

Well, you wouldn't have said that if you're a woman. As soon as you reach maturity, they just put you in a locked room and tell you to be ****ed by a guy you don't even know. After you are raped and pregnant and have given birth, you can't even see your child ever again. Yeah, bet the Qun propaganda machine didn't tell what you were in for.

This shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the Qunari mindset. We usually connect sex with intimacy and lust. This is partially why rape is considered such a terrible crime, it is a severe invasion of the privacy we value. Qunari don't connect sex with intimacy or lust. They connect sex with multiplying, breeding. They see it as their duty to submit to it, when they are called upon to participate. That is why they do not see it as such an invasion of their privacy. Likewise, where we value family very highly, the Qunari does not have the same concept of family as we do. We often seek fulfillment in the pursue of family. The Qunari does not. The Qunari seeks fulfillment, in perfection of their duty to the Qun, and they get companionship from their fellow Qunari.
The Qunari are alien, so trying to apply your own set of standards and morals, and then decrying the Qunari as monsters for not following them, just shows how much you have not even tried to understand them.

If the kossith race is biologically tuned to be all right with this, that's fine. However, the qunari conquer and assimilate other races and impose their own standards and morals on them, so humans and elves would be subject to the same treatment... which I very much doubt is in any way psychologically healthy.

Also, since the qunari are probably not the whole of their race (given that their civilian population only fills two islands; they come across as religious/political exiles more than anything else), it might not be the best choice for even the hornhead race.

Ideally it would be a personal choice to join the Qun. However ALL societies goes through a period of expansionism, so I cannot fault the Qunari for doing so aswell, regardless of wether I agree with their idealism or not. Because I know that my own culture is no better. No culture is any better at this point, since everyone of them, has gone through such a period.

[KainD]

billy the squid wrote...

The Qunari think of the whole. It's a completely different mindset.

What there are no social animals that live as a group? Wolf packs, animals that live in herds, even insects like ants and bees. 

[billy the squid]

Xilizhra wrote...

So Humans don't have arranged marriages? And marriage isn't about dynastic and politics, as well as establishing family status? Dwarves don't have arranged marriages to strengthen the clans and cast bonds? Elves don't have elders which are involved in their marriage contracts?

I don't agree with any of that either, but we were talking about qunari. Also, only city elves have that marriage system; the Dalish are free to choose whom they will.

See what I said above for further explaination, but frankly the Qunari system lacks the negative consequences of the systems present in Thedas. It's impersonal and mechanical, but not more so than marrying for politics which is so common. But, it has no bearing on the relationship a Qunari has with another Qunari outside the breeding program, unlike a political marriage in Thedas and it still has none of the potential risks of abusive violent relationships, as it's tightly controlled and overseen by the Tamarassan and Ben Harthass.

I think you're making assumptions about oversight that may or may not be actually true.

So, the arranged marriage system still exists in Thedas. If the Qunari is so alien, why do we see such parralels, you even see it with the mages and chantry. Special dispensation, vows of celibacy. Its not that different at all. 

Not really, the Qun doesn't damage and waste recources, the sadistic and abusive behaviour often associated with rape, is a behaviour which isn't tolerated within the Qun, just look at the tenants, all Qunari are part of the whole. Damageing another would be the equivalent of damaging yourself. And behaviour which is anathema to the Qun is dealt with by the Ben Hathrass and Tamarassan, via re education or if necessary wiping their minds. 

We already know that the eugenics program is tightly controlled by the Tamarassan, so they will have oversight of who mates with whom and what goes on. There may very well be abuses, no system is perfect, but for a system which pervades all aspect of Qunari life, you don't think that Tamarassan know what goes on when they oversee who mates with who to track genetics?

It's not a leap of logic, when you already know a great deal about Qunari mindset, behaviour, the Triumverate and the teachings of the Qun.

[VampireSoap]

Eugenics programs are perfectly ok so long as the females don't resist? Some of you are just messed up...1 million bucks says there are hundreds of Qunari females who are secretly not ok with the whole system.

[billy the squid]

KainD wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

The Qunari think of the whole. It's a completely different mindset.

What there are no social animals that live as a group? Wolf packs, animals that live in herds, even insects like ants and bees. 

Are they sentient on the level of humans? Do they create art, civilisation, laws, medical treatment, provide universal education, meritocracies, egalitarian systems of government? No. Next please.