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[Qyla]

Is that a joke? I'm not american, so I don't know much about the US politics insightt

Anyway the Bible seems to be crystal clear about that matter

[BouncyFrag]

Qyla wrote...

Is that a joke? I'm not american, so I don't know much about the US politics insightt

Anyway the Bible seems to be crystal clear about that matter

Part joke/part truth. Simply put, it is  politicians who say they are of a certain faith yet violate fundamental tenants of said faith with their actions.

[AtreiyaN7]

Even though the Seekers are not affiliated with the Chantry as the Templars are, I find it unlikely that an actual qunari would join their ranks - it's just not going to happen because they adhere to the Qun.

As for the Tal-Vashoth, they have completely rejected the Qun, and as I understand it, they're the kind of people who aren't keen on following strict rules. It seems to me that the last thing a Tal-Vashoth would do is hook up with some organized, militaristic group like the Seekers and revert to qunari-like behavior.

Tal-Vashoth might become mercenaries or bandits or bodyguards, but I really feel it's unlikely that they would become Seekers.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 12 août 2013 - 07:17 .

[Qyla]

Bouncy that's sadly truth for politician from every country in the world. I'm italian so...no comment.

Back on topic Qunari give to each of thir people a place INSIDE Qunari's institution. They would never allow someone to join the Inquisition.

[ziloe]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Even though the Seekers are not affiliated with the Chantry as the Templars are, I find it unlikely that an actual qunari would join their ranks - it's just not going to happen because they adhere to the Qun.

As for the Tal-Vashoth, they have completely rejected the Qun, and as I understand it, they're the kind of people who aren't keen on following strict rules. It seems to me that the last thing a Tal-Vashoth would do is hook up with some organized, militaristic group like the Seekers and revert to qunari-like behavior.

Tal-Vashoth might become mercenaries or bandits or bodyguards, but I really feel it's unlikely that they would become Seekers.

And yet Sten joined the Warden. Would it have been so different had he led them? Probably. But it could have been done, because it was in the interest of the Qun, to stop the darkspawn.

[AtreiyaN7]

ziloe wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Even though the Seekers are not affiliated with the Chantry as the Templars are, I find it unlikely that an actual qunari would join their ranks - it's just not going to happen because they adhere to the Qun.

As for the Tal-Vashoth, they have completely rejected the Qun, and as I understand it, they're the kind of people who aren't keen on following strict rules. It seems to me that the last thing a Tal-Vashoth would do is hook up with some organized, militaristic group like the Seekers and revert to qunari-like behavior.

Tal-Vashoth might become mercenaries or bandits or bodyguards, but I really feel it's unlikely that they would become Seekers.

And yet Sten joined the Warden. Would it have been so different had he led them? Probably. But it could have been done, because it was in the interest of the Qun, to stop the darkspawn.

Sten never became a Warden and would never become a Warden or lead any Wardens, just like no qunari will ever just up and decide to become a Seeker - unless they are specifically ordered to do so by their superiors.

Sten helped our Warden for several reasons:

1) He was still performing the intelligence-gathering/information-gathering duties to which he had been assigned by his superiors.
2) I'm guessing that another part of this was because Sten was essentially doing penance for killing that family and wanted to restore his honor. 
3) He felt as if he couldn't go back home because of the loss of his sword (and losing his sword was a huge deal).
4) I have no doubt that a part of his decision was because he saw the wisdom of stopping an enemy (the darkspawn) that would have posed a threat to his own people.

There is no logical explanation or reason for what you're proposing with a qunari Seeker to ever, ever happen.

Do you seriously expect that the qunari would just send their people to Ferelden to specifically join the Seekers...just because? There would have to be a good reason for it, and mages and templars killing each other off is no concern of the qunari people.

Aside from the fact that qunari probably don't give a flying fig about mages and templars, since when have humans and qunari been such good friends that you actually believe that humans would accept qunari into the ranks of the Seekers? Maybe you remember this little thing in DA2 where the qunari launched an attack on Kirkwall?????

Now after the events in Kirkwall - coupled with the fact that humans in general consider the qunari potential invaders and enemies - what the heck makes you think that anyone would allow even one single qunari into the Seeker organization? It would be kind of like giving free intelligence about the status of your military and your vulnerabilities to your worst enemy.

Furthermore, since this incident with the tear in the Veil is a completely new and sudden development, it's not like the qunari would have some advanced warning of "Oh, let's go kumbaya here and help the humans because of this tear in the Veil that's going to happen six months down the line!"

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 12 août 2013 - 08:38 .

[ziloe]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

ziloe wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Even though the Seekers are not affiliated with the Chantry as the Templars are, I find it unlikely that an actual qunari would join their ranks - it's just not going to happen because they adhere to the Qun.

As for the Tal-Vashoth, they have completely rejected the Qun, and as I understand it, they're the kind of people who aren't keen on following strict rules. It seems to me that the last thing a Tal-Vashoth would do is hook up with some organized, militaristic group like the Seekers and revert to qunari-like behavior.

Tal-Vashoth might become mercenaries or bandits or bodyguards, but I really feel it's unlikely that they would become Seekers.

And yet Sten joined the Warden. Would it have been so different had he led them? Probably. But it could have been done, because it was in the interest of the Qun, to stop the darkspawn.

Sten never became a Warden and would never become a Warden or lead any Wardens, just like no qunari will ever just up and decide to become a Seeker - unless they are specifically ordered to do so by their superiors.

Sten helped our Warden for several reasons:

1) He was still performing the intelligence-gathering/information-gathering duties to which he had been assigned by his superiors.
2) I'm guessing that another part of this was because Sten was essentially doing penance for killing that family and wanted to restore his honor. 
3) He felt as if he couldn't go back home because of the loss of his sword (and losing his sword was a huge deal).
4) I have no doubt that a part of his decision was because he saw the wisdom of stopping an enemy (the darkspawn) that would have posed a threat to his own people.

There is no logical explanation or reason for what you're proposing with a qunari Seeker to ever, ever happen.

Do you seriously expect that the qunari would just send their people to Ferelden to specifically join the Seekers...just because? There would have to be a good reason for it, and mages and templars killing each other off is no concern of the qunari people.

Aside from the fact that qunari probably don't give a flying fig about mages and templars, since when have humans and qunari been such good friends that you actually believe that humans would accept qunari into the ranks of the Seekers? Maybe you remember this little thing in DA2 where the qunari launched an attack on Kirkwall?????

Now after the events in Kirkwall - coupled with the fact that humans in general consider the qunari potential invaders and enemies - what the heck makes you think that anyone would allow even one single qunari into the Seeker organization? It would be kind of like giving free intelligence about the status of your military and your vulnerabilities to your worst enemy.

Furthermore, since this incident with the tear in the Veil is a completely new and sudden development, it's not like the qunari would have some advanced warning of "Oh, let's go kumbaya here and help the humans because of this tear in the Veil that's going to happen six months down the line!"

I never said he joined the "Wardens". I said he joined the Warden, i.e the player character. He joined their cause, to do exactly what you listed in #4. Which would be the same reason a Qunari/Kossith would start up the Inquisition. Maybe they learned from the Warden, aka the player, who had many by his side from all races, and saw a chance to utilize their unique abilities. After all, the Qun are named after their uses. So what's the difference in seeing your companions as tools too?

Secondly, the Inquisition aren't with the Seekers. They are their own unique entity, which as far as we understand, was created by you, the player.

[AtreiyaN7]

ziloe wrote...

I never said he joined the "Wardens". I said he joined the Warden, i.e the player character. He joined their cause, to do exactly what you listed in #4. Which would be the same reason a Qunari/Kossith would start up the Inquisition. Maybe they learned from the Warden, aka the player, who had many by his side from all races, and saw a chance to utilize their unique abilities. After all, the Qun are named after their uses. So what's the difference in seeing your companions as tools too?

Secondly, the Inquisition aren't with the Seekers. They are their own unique entity, which as far as we understand, was created by you, the player.

I know you said he joined the Warden. I was merely pointing out that helping the Warden is entirely different from joining a human military organization of any type in an official capacity, because THAT is what would have to happen for a qunari Inquisitor to exist.

I also pointed out that Sten helped for several reasons  but that he would never have joined the actual Warden order unless there were direct orders from his superiors. As for the Inquisition - maybe you should read the wikis. First off, there is this (http://dragonage.wik...iki/Inquisition):

The Inquisition was a group of people who, following the First Blight, rose up to defend Thedas from the dangers of magic and heretics. The Inquisition later joined with the Chantry and became the Seekers of Truth and the Templar Order.[1]

Additionally, there's this (http://dragonage.wik...eekers_of_Truth): 

The Seekers of Truth and the Templar Order were once known as the Inquisition, a group of people who fought against the threat of dark magic after the First Blight. Some accounts suggest that the Inquisition was always known as the Seekers of Truth and that they strove to restore order in a time of chaos through their even application of justice.[1]

Both of them make it pretty clear that the Inquisition joined with the Chantry and then split off into the Seekers and the Templars. No matter how you want to couch this, our future Inquisitor is simply, as far as I can tell, being placed in charge of leading AN Inquisition to investigate the tear in the Veil and to prevent the world from ending, etc. So the odds seem good that the character either is or was a Seeker and has been tasked with this in an official capacity.

If so, then despite the character getting the shiny title of Inquisitor, you're probably still a Seeker - who got a promotion because you were lucky enough to survive. I maintain that:

1) No human member of any organization with ties to the Chantry (no matter how limited those ties are now) is going to randomly invite qunari into their ranks.
2) No qunari will miraculously show up on short notice and join some newly-formed Inquisition.

I find it highly unlikely that you will somehow happen upon another qunari with circumstances similar to those of Sten. And again, your title does say "Qunari Inquisitor" which implies that this qunari would have to join the Inquisition. This is not realistically going to happen.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 12 août 2013 - 10:09 .

[ziloe]

Daralii wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Daralii wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

A Kossith or Qunari protagonist wouldn't make any sense to me because I think that nobody would trust them and nobody would follow them. They are enemies of Thedas (DA2 attacked Kirkwall) only interested in spreading their religion and taking over Thedas. Good luck getting any mages to join them considering they control their mages even worse than the circles did. Also the Templars, Dalish tribes, and Chantry wouldn't help because of their strict beliefs and leaders of countries would worry about a takeover. Why would people follow them or join them? How would the Inquisition gain power or allies?

The GI article made mention of a possible fourth race option, and given the demand here I can't see it being anything but kossith. They have plans, so I imagine it's going to come down to whether or not they have time.

You could probably treat a Tal-vashoth kossith the same as an elf in Origins, honestly. People were willing to follow the Elf Warden because they knew they didn't have any other choice: follow them, or die to the Darkspawn. Same could be done with a kossith Inquisitor in the face of the Fade crashing into Thedas. There would be bigots denouncing them for their race, but that's what persuasion or a sword is for.

When/where did they mention another race?

At least 3 races to choose from; when asked about Qunari, Mike Laidlaw
says “Do we go to four? I don’t know. Definitely these are the safe
bet”.

I think by "these", he was referring to the classic three. As much as I'd love the idea, I don't want to get too carried away with speculation.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Maraas should be a recruitable person to the inquisition. For example you find him acting as a mercenary fighting against demons, and if you manage to impress him enough with your combat skills he agrees to work for you, even with his hate of fighting for causes.

In fact I think there should be lots of people who the inquisition can recruit, but who don't really act as companions. Sort of like recruiting friendly npc's that you can send out on solo missions and such.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 12 août 2013 - 10:09 .

[ziloe]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Maraas should be a recruitable person to the inquisition. For example you find him acting as a mercenary fighting against demons, and if you manage to impress him enough with your combat skills he agrees to work for you, even with his hate of fighting for causes.

In fact I think there should be lots of people who the inquisition can recruit, but who don't really act as companions. Sort of like recruiting friendly npc's that you can send out on solo missions and such.

I was hoping for something similar to the Suikoden series. But with the exception of a few key characters.

[ziloe]

Filament wrote...

I think they're trying to make it a point that This Time It's Different. We shouldn't make too many assumptions about how this Inquisition may or may not get started...

People like to make assumptions a lot on this forum. But at least it's a lot easier now, now that we have more information trickling out, bit by bit.

Modifié par ziloe, 12 août 2013 - 11:32 .

[ziloe]

Filament wrote...

I really hope all qunari we ever see aren't pigeon-holed into this qunari/tal-vashoth paradigm. The conflict is interesting but should not be all consuming, unless the qunari mind is truly automaton in nature, or the Qun is literal mind control, which would be a terrible revelation if you ask me.

Well, they do control minds in other ways, such as lobotomizing people who are defiant.

[ziloe]

bump

[ziloe]

Filament wrote...

Yeah the qamek, but I know Xilizhra is a supporter of the whole religion being a farce under control of the blood mage, God-Emperor Koslun.

I just learned of the qamek today, been looking at the comics. Sten has changed so much. Though it's unclear whether the Warden PC is cannon in the comics or if Alistair is the hero of Ferelden.

That aside, where did you hear this?

[AmRMa]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Good idea. As it is a good idea, my inner pessimist says this will only ensure that it won't happen at all. Can't be having nice things now can we? I wouldn't object to Bioware removing the elves and putting the Qunari in its place as a playable race.

No- if they were to remove a race to play to replace it with Kossith let it be dwarves- apparently not many people play as them. But I wouldn't want to play as Kossith because like I said before I would have a very hard time believing that one would even be interested in saving people outside of the Q'un. But if they decide to make the option available I wouldn't be against it- I just wouldn't play as one.

[cactusberry]

We have only seen a very small sample of the Kossith. There may be more dynamics to them that we do not know about.

[ziloe]

AmRMa wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Good idea. As it is a good idea, my inner pessimist says this will only ensure that it won't happen at all. Can't be having nice things now can we? I wouldn't object to Bioware removing the elves and putting the Qunari in its place as a playable race.

No- if they were to remove a race to play to replace it with Kossith let it be dwarves- apparently not many people play as them. But I wouldn't want to play as Kossith because like I said before I would have a very hard time believing that one would even be interested in saving people outside of the Q'un. But if they decide to make the option available I wouldn't be against it- I just wouldn't play as one.

Is there a similar faq sheet to the one they made for ME3? Personally, I didn't really do the dwarves either, but that's because I like elves more.

[ziloe]

Filament wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Filament wrote...

Yeah the qamek, but I know Xilizhra is a supporter of the whole religion being a farce under control of the blood mage, God-Emperor Koslun.

I just learned of the qamek today, been looking at the comics. Sten has changed so much. Though it's unclear whether the Warden PC is cannon in the comics or if Alistair is the hero of Ferelden.

That aside, where did you hear this?

Xilizhra is just a poster here. I added the title "god emperor" for kicks, but that's the gist of the idea.

Oh, my bad. I thought it was a character from the cannon universe, lol.

[ziloe]

Forums moving fast tonight.

[The Spirit of Dance]

If I could play as a kossith I'd break the mold by being laidback about everything while making snarky remarks.