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Let us wipe out Qunari instead of the Dalish this time


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sandalisthemaker wrote...
Judging by your avatar, I assume you like to play as a mage?
You are in for one hell of a surprise when your beloved Qun slaps your character in irons, sews their mouth shut, and controlls them with a rod like a souless golem. Lmao


No I intend to play as a rogue. This was just the most elfy among the default pictures.

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I don't particularly think we need to "wipe out" any group. I'm sure we'll find ourselves pitted against lots of different kinds of foes.

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Coming up with a justification for genocide doesn't stop it from being genocide, just an FYI. 


It's not genocide. It's self defense.

The Kossith race can live on. The Tal-Vashoth could be spared.

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All these Qunari haters, they will learn the ways of the Qun soon enough :devil:

Modifié par AresKeith, 12 août 2013 - 03:13 .


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AresKeith wrote...

All these Qunari haters, they will learn the ways of the Qun soon enough :devil:

We already know them. Why do you think we hate?

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Xilizhra wrote...
How is it genocide if we're only killing invading armies, who are the only qunari we'd ever meet outside of Seheron or Par Vollen?


That's not what the last bit says. The last bit, in fact, talks about pushing the demons into Par Vollen and wipping out the Qunari first. 

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sandalisthemaker wrote...
It's not genocide. It's self defense.

The Kossith race can live on. The Tal-Vashoth could be spared.


Exterminating every vestige of a culture is, in fact, the very definition of genocide. 

Go nuts advocating for whatever you want, but at least be honest with yourself about what you're advocating. 

Modifié par In Exile, 12 août 2013 - 03:16 .


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Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

All these Qunari haters, they will learn the ways of the Qun soon enough :devil:

We already know them. Why do you think we hate?


You'll learn to love them 

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AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

All these Qunari haters, they will learn the ways of the Qun soon enough :devil:

We already know them. Why do you think we hate?


You'll learn to love them 


By becoming a mindless qamek slave. How lovely.

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As long as there's an opposite option to help the qunari conquer all of Thedas, sure.


Maybe that is how we help lead the world to its end. I support this option.

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I don't see how destroying the Qunari would represent genocide. The Qunari aren't just the Kossith but different races. The Kossith also aren't all Qunari there are many that aren't part of that 'faith' and therefore they wouldn't be killed because they aren't the problem

The Qun is a cancer that can't be allowed to live.

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In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
How is it genocide if we're only killing invading armies, who are the only qunari we'd ever meet outside of Seheron or Par Vollen?


That's not what the last bit says. The last bit, in fact, talks about pushing the demons into Par Vollen and wipping out the Qunari first. 

Well, that's just silly. Demons aren't nearly organized enough. I'd thought of darkspawn, but that would create a whole army of ogres, which doesn't sound like a winning long-term solution for the rest of Thedas.

More seriously... I have no desire to kill every last qunari, but I do have a desire to destroy their war machine and render them unable to harm the rest of Thedas. Hopefully those aren't incompatible.

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

All these Qunari haters, they will learn the ways of the Qun soon enough :devil:

We already know them. Why do you think we hate?


You'll learn to love them 


By becoming a mindless qamek slave. How lovely.


Indeed, the beloved Qun

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Xilizhra wrote...
Well, that's just silly. Demons aren't nearly organized enough. I'd thought of darkspawn, but that would create a whole army of ogres, which doesn't sound like a winning long-term solution for the rest of Thedas.


That's still advocating for genocide.

More seriously... I have no desire to kill every last qunari, but I do have a desire to destroy their war machine and render them unable to harm the rest of Thedas. Hopefully those aren't incompatible.


OK? I'm not contesting what people want, just what they're calling it. 

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ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I don't see how destroying the Qunari would represent genocide. The Qunari aren't just the Kossith but different races. The Kossith also aren't all Qunari there are many that aren't part of that 'faith' and therefore they wouldn't be killed because they aren't the problem

The Qun is a cancer that can't be allowed to live.


As I've tried to explain, destroying a culture constitutes genocide. You don't need to kill all (or any) of its members to do it, either.

The Qunari forced indoctrination camps would be an example of actual genocide. 

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sandalisthemaker wrote...
By becoming a mindless qamek slave. How lovely.


You forget this is the very last resort. The Qunari have more use for those who can think for themselves and choose to be part of the Qun than the Viddath-bas, which as far as I can tell is no worse than the Rite of Tranquility.

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In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Well, that's just silly. Demons aren't nearly organized enough. I'd thought of darkspawn, but that would create a whole army of ogres, which doesn't sound like a winning long-term solution for the rest of Thedas.


That's still advocating for genocide.

More seriously... I have no desire to kill every last qunari, but I do have a desire to destroy their war machine and render them unable to harm the rest of Thedas. Hopefully those aren't incompatible.


OK? I'm not contesting what people want, just what they're calling it. 

No, I don't want to actually commit genocide on them. But I would love a way to stop the Qun spreading the way it does.

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In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Well, that's just silly. Demons aren't nearly organized enough. I'd thought of darkspawn, but that would create a whole army of ogres, which doesn't sound like a winning long-term solution for the rest of Thedas.


That's still advocating for genocide.

More seriously... I have no desire to kill every last qunari, but I do have a desire to destroy their war machine and render them unable to harm the rest of Thedas. Hopefully those aren't incompatible.


OK? I'm not contesting what people want, just what they're calling it. 


The Qunari give no mercy to those who have differing beliefs, and so are deserving of none in return.  
The conflict will be long and bloody, but so long as freedom is at stake, then so be it.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 12 août 2013 - 03:25 .


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sandalisthemaker wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Yeah, let's go genocide another race just for kicks!

That's messed up, bro.


Did you even read the last bit?


Yeah, I read that. 1937, somewhere in Germany, a man said, "we must wipe them out before they can make us all slaves. They are the enemy of all free thinking Aryans!"

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Xilizhra wrote...
No, I don't want to actually commit genocide on them. But I would love a way to stop the Qun spreading the way it does.


I don't disagree with you that the Qun is bad news. 

sandalisthemaker wrote...
The Qunari give no mercy to those who have differing beliefs, and so are deserving of none in return.  
The conflict will be long and bloody, but so long as freedom is at stake, then so be it.


OK? It's still not making what you advocate something other than genocide. 

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VampireSoap wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Yeah, let's go genocide another race just for kicks!

That's messed up, bro.


Did you even read the last bit?


Yeah, I read that. 1937, somewhere in Germany, a man said, "we must wipe them out before they can make us all slaves. They are the enemy of all free thinking Aryans!"


Except the Qunari are acutally able to do it.

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Xilizhra wrote...
No, I don't want to actually commit genocide on them. But I would love a way to stop the Qun spreading the way it does.


End the Arishok? As in, kill our Sten then stop them from picking new ones. This will stop the military and effectively halt the aggressive expansionism of the Qun and allow it to be more comparable to modern day religions. Of course, that will result in them being vulnerable from attack if the Chantry ever recuperates. 

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Elfman wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
No, I don't want to actually commit genocide on them. But I would love a way to stop the Qun spreading the way it does.


End the Arishok? As in, kill our Sten then stop them from picking new ones. This will stop the military and effectively halt the aggressive expansionism of the Qun and allow it to be more comparable to modern day religions. Of course, that will result in them being vulnerable from attack if the Chantry ever recuperates. 

Given the line of succession, that'd require wiping out the whole military. I still like my solution of the Qun being some kind of spell most.

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Elfman wrote...
End the Arishok? As in, kill our Sten then stop them from picking new ones. This will stop the military and effectively halt the aggressive expansionism of the Qun and allow it to be more comparable to modern day religions. Of course, that will result in them being vulnerable from attack if the Chantry ever recuperates. 


I don't see how you could stop the Qunari from picking a military leader and developing a military short of a full on occupation. 

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Xilizhra wrote...
How is it genocide if we're only killing invading armies, who are the only qunari we'd ever meet outside of Seheron or Par Vollen?


That's not what the last bit says. The last bit, in fact, talks about pushing the demons into Par Vollen and wipping out the Qunari first. 

You are aware the Qunari have a whole population on another continent, right? Pushing them out of Par Vollen and Seheron wouldn't be genocidal. If all the white people in America were killed, there's still plent of them in Europe.