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Morrigan: Dark Ritual Confirmed as Canon as of 8/12/13? EDIT: Resolved by David Gaider, But Now With New Analysis


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brushyourteeth

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**EDIT**
Mr. Gaider has answered this for us. Thank you, David Gaider!!

"I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from. Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused. There is no Old God Baby."



A new Game Informer article  was released today that gives more information about Morrigan's role in DA:I.

I'll post a few quotes from the article and let you decide what they might mean, but more developer confirmation on this point would be awesome.



"With so many questions lingering, including Morrigan’s whereabouts since performing the dark ritual to conceive a child, Inquisition is her chance to return to glory...

Male players are given the option of conceiving a child with Morrigan themselves, but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve...

Morrigan’s departure to continue her mission was something Gaider felt strongly about. “From my perspective, making a strong female character is about having her have her own agenda,” Gaider says.
“The most important thing for me when I wrote [Origins] was that at the end even if Morrigan loved the player, she had this thing that she believed in, that was so important that she would do it regardless of the player. And I think that a lot of players expected that she would bend herself to do whatever they wanted because they’ve done the romance, gotten her approval up, and of course she would just sort of follow their destiny. But Morrigan has her own destiny.”

... The kernel of Inquisition’s story we knew from about midway through Dragon Age: Origins. The story has been in the making for a very long time,” Laidlaw says. “The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it.”




Some fans will be very upset about this if the Dark Ritual is carried through without their Warden's approval, though I've personally never felt like Morrigan would shrink from her mission just because of her friend or traveling companion's say-so. The DR seems too big to be made into optional content. For me, this is a good thing.


Could any devs clarify these comments, please? Thanks!!

**EDIT**
The fact that the developers have said in the past that the DR would not be canon is not news to me. Thanks!

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What I'm concerned about now is what these comments from Mr. Gaider could still mean regarding Morrigan. I'm glad we got confirmation on the OGB issue, but she's still planning something regardless of the Warden's approval that's been in the works since DA:O and seems like a Big Deal ™.

Check these out again:

Morrigan’s departure to continue her mission was something Gaider felt strongly about. “From my perspective, making a strong female character is about having her have her own agenda,” Gaider says.
“The most important thing for me when I wrote [Origins] was that at the end even if Morrigan loved the player, she had this thing that she believed in, that was so important that she would do it regardless of the player. And I think that a lot of players expected that she would bend herself to do whatever they wanted because they’ve done the romance, gotten her approval up, and of course she would just sort of follow their destiny. But Morrigan has her own destiny.”

... The kernel of Inquisition’s story we knew from about midway through Dragon Age: Origins. The story has been in the making for a very long time,” Laidlaw says. “The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it.”



It's easy to get caught up in the collective sigh of relief to have the OGB issue settled, but something is still happening and there are clues in this article.

The only other thing I can think of is Morrigan's campaign to kill Flemeth.

Anybody have thoughts?

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 12 août 2013 - 06:22 .


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I'll believe it when Bioware actually say it.

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There is no "true" canon, That is Probably "Bioware" canon, as in just something they use for new players

Modifié par draken-heart, 12 août 2013 - 05:47 .


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sigh

This was told 9001 times. There is no cannon about DR or any other choice. There is only world state where DR was performed or rejected.

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It has been confirmed that if the DR was not completed, there will be no OGB in DAI. But that doesn't rule out another Blight and another Archdemon and another chance for Flemeth and or Morrigan.

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I think this just confirms that Morrigan has her own agenda, which MIGHT involve the dark ritual if the player went through with it in DAO.

Good thing I did...

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draken-heart wrote...

There is no "true" canon, That is Probably "Bioware" canon, as in just something they use for new players




Canon is whatever Bioware decides it is. We'd all best get used to that fact and let go of the illusion that we control the vast majority of the world. We don't.


ChaosHound wrote...

sigh

This was told 9001 times. There is no cannon about DR or any other choice. There is only world state where DR was performed or rejected.



I hear you, but this article does seem to point to a new direction. Don't forge that until last week it had been "told 9001 times" that we wouldn't have racial options back.

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While it's entirely possible that Morrigan performed the ritual with someone else without the Warden's knowledge, if that happened then no one should die when the Archdemon is killed.

But someone does.

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I'm fairly certain it was stated that if the player didn't choose it, it didn't happen.

The "the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." line seems like Game Informer, not the developers. It doesn't even make sense without an Archdemon.

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Well, Bioware did say that DR will not be canon, though that part about the other Wardens easily lead people to think that DR could become canon.
edit: I agree with Taleroth, that part might be written without Bioware's input.

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Doesn't sound like canon to me. Probably the default setting (non-import).

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

While it's entirely possible that Morrigan performed the ritual with someone else without the Warden's knowledge, if that happened then no one should die when the Archdemon is killed.

But someone does.



I agree. That would definitely need some explaining.

Do I think Morrigan is above killing my Warden or in order to avoid our suspicion? Sadly, no.

But as suggestive as this article is, I'll wait for word from one of the developers before I get too hung up on it.

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Unless she was able to find someone else to do a similar ritual with after the Blight ended and infused said unborn baby with the soul of some other old god... or hell knows what.

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Official BioWare canon (for those who would not import any saves in DA:I) -
twitter.com/BioMarkDarrah/status/364864515717873665 - Warden is dead, so no Dark Ritual was performed in DA:O.

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LolaLei wrote...

Unless she was able to find someone else to do a similar ritual with after the Blight ended and infused said unborn baby with the soul of some other old god... or hell knows what.


My DA:O is rusty, but isn't she pregnant and headed for Orlais in her epilogue no matter what?

That IS interesting.

But if the developers knew that she was going to have this arc from about the middle of DA:O, why would they tell us for years that the DR would be an import choice?

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Does the Archdemon need to be an Archdemon, or can they still be an uncorrupted Old God for it to work? Surely it's Godliness that caused the soul swap, not the taintiness... Maybe she's found and managed to kill an Old God. Maybe this is the suspicious activity over at the Warden's Fortress.

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brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Unless she was able to find someone else to do a similar ritual with after the Blight ended and infused said unborn baby with the soul of some other old god... or hell knows what.


My DA:O is rusty, but isn't she pregnant and headed for Orlais in her epilogue no matter what?


I don't recall, I always let Alistair do the Dark Ritual with her, so that neither he or my Warden will die.

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I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from. Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused. There is no Old God Baby.
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Actually, now that I think about it, it could be that there's no necessary connection between the Archdemon's death and the Dark Ritual. We only think there is because MOrrigan told us so, but Morrigan could well have been lying about that. She might have saved the Warden after the DR as a sort of reward, but described it differently to conceal her magnanimity.

There are lots of ways to explain this. I'd be fine with a canonical Dark Ritual, even if the Warden didn't do it.

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Honestly? I hope so. It's too good a plot thread to be abandoned in so many characters' playthroughs.

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Lol. 9002 times now.

In a few months it will be asked again, with the same response.

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David Gaider wrote...

I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from. Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused. There is no Old God Baby.


Thank  You David for clearing this up!

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Merkit91 wrote...

Official BioWare canon (for those who would not import any saves in DA:I) -
twitter.com/BioMarkDarrah/status/364864515717873665 - Warden is dead, so no Dark Ritual was performed in DA:O.

Huh, that's very telling. If canon world state is Ultimate Sacrifice Warden... then... huh. Can't really have an OGB. Consistent with everything else we've ever been told about the DR.

edit: Ding ding. Well, there you go! Thanks, David.:wizard:

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David Gaider wrote...

I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from. Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused. There is no Old God Baby.



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David Gaider wrote...

I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from. Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused. There is no Old God Baby.


Thanks for clarifying!