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[Ziggeh]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Do I think Morrigan is above killing my Warden or in order to avoid our suspicion? Sadly, no.

That would be dark. That would be an excellent payoff.

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out: "retcon".

[Taleroth]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Unless she was able to find someone else to do a similar ritual with after the Blight ended and infused said unborn baby with the soul of some other old god... or hell knows what.

My DA:O is rusty, but isn't she pregnant and headed for Orlais in her epilogue no matter what?

She's headed for Orlais no matter what. Even in the ones where she doesn't end up in Orlais, she's headed to the mountains that border it.

She's only pregnant if the ritual was done or the player slept with her at some time.

[Druk-Qs]

draken-heart wrote...

There is no "true" canon, That is Probably "Bioware" canon, as in just something they use for new players

Canon is whatever the author/creator of a certain material decides it is. If this is the canon they chose, then this is canon, period, the other choices are there to give the player the whole illussion of "making your own world"

It's a good touch, of course, but the little buggery fact refuses to leave my mind once I know them, it's part of the reason I couldn't play male characters in KOTOR 2, since the protagonist was canonically female, making the male characters feel redundant.

[Shevy]

When asked if any references would come up from your past interactions
with Morrigan, like about your Grey Warden if you romanced her, Gaider
says, “Yes. The various states that Morrigan can be in – of which there
can be quite a few, because we don’t know when to stop when it comes to
making decisions – they’re all recognized. Whether or not they have the
ultimate effect like the kind of reactivity someone imagines, that
depends on the person. But we do recognize them and it does play a role
of varying degrees depending on the surroundings.”

Sounds like if there was no DR and no romance with her, there should be no OGB or a normal child from your character.
I wouldn't rely on sentences which are not direct quotes, cause they are verbalized by the author. The first DR mention sounds like it is established as canon, but since it's not a direct quote, I doubt it.

Maybe Morrigan will have a child with her regardless of her not romanced the Warden back in the days because after the game finishes we have zero control over what happens next.

But I doubt they establish the DR or OGB.

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clarified.

Modifié par Shevy_001, 12 août 2013 - 06:06 .

[brushyourteeth]

Ziggeh wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Do I think Morrigan is above killing my Warden or in order to avoid our suspicion? Sadly, no.

That would be dark. That would be an excellent payoff.

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out: "retcon".

LOL!!

[jontepwn]

I am SO happy they are going to follow this up.

Urge to play Dragon Age Inquisition... Rising.

Modifié par jontepwn, 12 août 2013 - 06:14 .

[Marakov7]

Just the quote "The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan's] moment..." makes me happy since I thought so much of her character. Dark Ritual canon or not? I don't know, but my Warden did do the ritual with her and ended up going through the mirror with her - which is exactly what I think she hoped for in the end. I always thought that main reason she gave him "the ring" in the first place was that she was hoping he would use it to track her down so they could reunite in the future - without actually interfering with her overall plans. It will be interesting to see how Bioware handles it...but having the upcoming game be her "moment" is great.

Modifié par Marakov7, 12 août 2013 - 06:11 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

While it's entirely possible that Morrigan performed the ritual with someone else without the Warden's knowledge, if that happened then no one should die when the Archdemon is killed.

But someone does.

Or do they?

Been trying to think up an answer for this question to pose to you on this and it suddenly hit me. Yes, when you don't do it, you get the whole thing about the Ultimate Sacrifice Warden (be it player, Alistair or Loghain) being buried at Weisshaupt yada yada yada, but let's go back a couple of steps...

The whole thing was that the Warden dies because in order to contain the Archdemon the old god's soul has to basically have a vessel and in doing so it is consumed by the Warden... unless you do the Dark Ritual in which case Morrigan states it'll go into the unborn baby and it and the baby will be fine because there is enough room for the pair of them.

But what if Morrigan either doesn't know or doesn't let on that actually if you don't take the ritual then at some point in the future Ultimate Sacrifice Warden is going to wake up in their tomb in Weisshaupt and start the whole thing over again.

Or has my mind truly got warped?

[JeffZero]

My goodness, I do love the Dragon Age team's alacrity in these matters whenever an answer is as yet permitted.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Ziggeh wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Do I think Morrigan is above killing my Warden or in order to avoid our suspicion? Sadly, no.

That would be dark. That would be an excellent payoff.

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out: "retcon".

I honestly don't think she would, not if you're at least friendly with her anyway. Didn't Gaider confirm that, if her approval is high, saving the Warden's life is a big motivator in pushing the Ritual? Supposedly in this scenario, she runs off (if the offer is rejected) because she doesn't want to see the Warden die.

...Of course, that presumes she places more importance on her relationships than she does on whatever she/Yavana/Flemeth/whoever has planned for Thedas.

JeffZero wrote...

IT'S LIKE I'M SEEING SPIRITS.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 12 août 2013 - 06:15 .

[JeffZero]

I am ethereal.

[brushyourteeth]

What I'm concerned about is what these comments from Mr. Gaider could still mean regarding Morrigan. I'm glad we got confirmation on the OGB issue, but she's still planning something regardless of the Warden's approval that's been in the works since DA:O and seems like a Big Deal ™.

Check these out again:

Morrigan’s departure to continue her mission was something Gaider felt strongly about. “From my perspective, making a strong female character is about having her have her own agenda,” Gaider says.
“The most important thing for me when I wrote [Origins] was that at the end even if Morrigan loved the player, she had this thing that she believed in, that was so important that she would do it regardless of the player. And I think that a lot of players expected that she would bend herself to do whatever they wanted because they’ve done the romance, gotten her approval up, and of course she would just sort of follow their destiny. But Morrigan has her own destiny.”

... The kernel of Inquisition’s story we knew from about midway through Dragon Age: Origins. The story has been in the making for a very long time,” Laidlaw says. “The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it.”

It's easy to get caught up in the collective sigh of relief to have the OGB issue settled, but something is still happening and there are clues in this article.

The only other thing I can think of is Morrigan's campaign to kill Flemeth.

Anybody have thoughts?

[Dormiglione]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from. Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused. There is no Old God Baby.

Thank you for clarifying it. But it will be still very interesting to see story of Morrigan carry on.

[thats1evildude]

The choice of language in that article is questionable, which I think is what's leading to this confusion. I believe the writer was trying to say "Other Grey Wardens could take the deal for you", but worded it as such to make it sound like "Morrigan definitely did the DR with someone else."

[Starwingz]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
But what if Morrigan either doesn't know or doesn't let on that actually if you don't take the ritual then at some point in the future Ultimate Sacrifice Warden is going to wake up in their tomb in Weisshaupt and start the whole thing over again.

Damn that would be crazy plot twist; first warden that absorbed soul of old god Dovahkiin style xD

[leaguer of one]

brushyourteeth wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

There is no "true" canon, That is Probably "Bioware" canon, as in just something they use for new players

Canon is whatever Bioware decides it is. We'd all best get used to that fact and let go of the illusion that we control the vast majority of the world. We don't.

Wrong. BW has there own story line they use. What ever story line they use does not effect ours. If their storie line has Morrigan with the ogc and we do not, our story superseeds theirs.

There is no cannon.

[Ihatebadgames]

Well she's the only daughter that's still alive(That we know of) and didn't let Mama dearest take her over.What has she told the OGB about his makeup or his Grandma? Could hamper Flemeths plan.
I also believe that Flemeth likes Morrigan better than her other daughters because Morrigan gave her so much trouble.

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

What I'm concerned about is what these comments from Mr. Gaider could still mean regarding Morrigan. I'm glad we got confirmation on the OGB issue, but she's still planning something regardless of the Warden's approval that's been in the works since DA:O and seems like a Big Deal ™.

Check these out again:

Morrigan’s departure to continue her mission was something Gaider felt strongly about. “From my perspective, making a strong female character is about having her have her own agenda,” Gaider says.
“The most important thing for me when I wrote [Origins] was that at the end even if Morrigan loved the player, she had this thing that she believed in, that was so important that she would do it regardless of the player. And I think that a lot of players expected that she would bend herself to do whatever they wanted because they’ve done the romance, gotten her approval up, and of course she would just sort of follow their destiny. But Morrigan has her own destiny.”

... The kernel of Inquisition’s story we knew from about midway through Dragon Age: Origins. The story has been in the making for a very long time,” Laidlaw says. “The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it.”

It's easy to get caught up in the collective sigh of relief to have the OGB issue settled, but something is still happening and there are clues in this article.

The only other thing I can think of is Morrigan's campaign to kill Flemeth.

Anybody have thoughts?

My thought was whatever Morrigan's underlying reason for wanting the OGB was. Even if she doesn't get it, she still had some Master Plan going on. All the eluvian stuff and going to Orlais. I would have said it was a joint plan together with Flemeth, except for the fact that Morrigan in principle is supposed to believe she killed Flemeth.  Maybe it's also part of Yavana's Master Plan from the comics, dealing with the ancient dragons and the "time before the Veil."

[Yggdrasil]

ChaosHound wrote...

sigh

This was told 9001 times. There is no cannon about DR or any other choice. There is only world state where DR was performed or rejected.

Actually this isn't true.  There is canon if something appears in a future game regardless of the choices made by the player in previous games.

Leliana was dead at the end of some players' playthroughs of Dragon Age: Origins.  Therefore it became canon that, regardless, somehow she survived the events of DA:O.  It's impossible to play DA2 or any future game where she didn't survive.  That's the difference between canon and a "world state."

[brushyourteeth]

leaguer of one wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

There is no "true" canon, That is Probably "Bioware" canon, as in just something they use for new players

Canon is whatever Bioware decides it is. We'd all best get used to that fact and let go of the illusion that we control the vast majority of the world. We don't.

Wrong. BW has there own story line they use. What ever story line they use does not effect ours. If their storie line has Morrigan with the ogc and we do not, our story superseeds theirs.

There is no cannon.

I didn't say there was one set canon. I'm saying that Bioware decides what is and what isn't. "Our story" is an illusion they're nice enough to let us play around in and carry over into new games to play around in some more, but they can break that any time they choose to.

But regardless, you said very confidently that I'm wrong, so I'll change my mind accordingly. Excuse me while I work on that.

[brushyourteeth]

thats1evildude wrote...

The choice of language in that article is questionable, which I think is what's leading to this confusion. I believe the writer was trying to say "Other Grey Wardens could take the deal for you", but worded it as such to make it sound like "Morrigan definitely did the DR with someone else."

I have to agree.

[mannitt]

I've thought killing Flemeth or absorbing her or becoming her or whatever. Something along those lines was always her mission. Well that is after she finds out about the daughters of Flemeth. When it comes down to it we still don't know what Flemeth's plans really were. It was her idea for the whole OGB originally. Morrigan just altered it. So Morrigan I think in turn was going to use the OGB against Flemeth, instead of whatever Flemeth had planned originally. Of course then DA2 showed us that Flemeth had some sort of contingency against Morrigan also. So...

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

 I'm kind of curious in regards this quote from the same article

" Yes. The various states that Morrigan can be in – of which there can be quite a few, because we don’t know when to stop when it comes to making decisions – they’re all recognized. Whether or not they have the ultimate effect like the kind of reactivity someone imagines, that depends on the person. But we do recognize them and it does play a role of varying degrees depending on the surroundings.”

Being a lover of the variables that can come up from Bioware games, it got me thinking of how many there could be for this and I can imagine there is quite a few when you think about it.. Is Flemeth dead or not? Was the ritual done or not? Did the Warden complete Witch Hunt? If did how did it end? (Can't remember if that was saved, I don't think it was, was it? If it was then there is obviously a few ways that can end).

Would also be nice to see if she mentions the Warden at all and if how the two parted is considered as one of the things that has been mentioned.

Nooooo I must see all the variables, I can't resist... 

[mannitt]

Now Witch Hunt ends is saved. When you import to DA2 it mentions what you do follow, stay, stabbed. I'm not sure if that originally did that or if it was patched later though. I remember originally that it didn't. It does now though.
*sidenote* I wish they'd patch some of the other outstanding crazy bugs from Awakening.

Modifié par mannitt, 12 août 2013 - 07:02 .