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[Sylvius the Mad]

Spedfrom wrote...

It doesn't matter if all of the Grey Wardens of Thedas lined up to have sex with Morrigan. You need to kill an Archdemon for the ritual to be done!!

Why do we think that's true?  Because Morrigan said so?

Can we really trust Morrigan to be forthright about that sort of thing?

[Taleroth]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Spedfrom wrote...

It doesn't matter if all of the Grey Wardens of Thedas lined up to have sex with Morrigan. You need to kill an Archdemon for the ritual to be done!!

Why do we think that's true?  Because Morrigan said so?

Can we really trust Morrigan to be forthright about that sort of thing?

Yes. Being blunt is kind of her thing. And, more importantly, she has nothing to gain from lying about it.

They were going to kill the Archdemon anyway. Her saying the ritual was related to its death changed nothing.

Modifié par Taleroth, 13 août 2013 - 09:48 .

[Eveangaline]

Ok so it's been once again confirmed that if you didn't do the DR, no god baby.

...ok? Old news is new I guess.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Taleroth wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Spedfrom wrote...

It doesn't matter if all of the Grey Wardens of Thedas lined up to have sex with Morrigan. You need to kill an Archdemon for the ritual to be done!!

Why do we think that's true?  Because Morrigan said so?

Can we really trust Morrigan to be forthright about that sort of thing?

Yes. Being blunt is kind of her thing. And, more importantly, she has nothing to gain from lying about it.

They were going to kill the Archdemon anyway. Her saying the ritual was related to its death changed nothing.

Yes, but she might have wanted to keep her intention to do the ritual a secret if the Warden and his companions weren't involved.  By claiming that the archdemon was involved, and the demon soul needed to be captured, she would have convinced the Warden that she could prevent her from performing the ritual, even if that wasn't true.

[addiction21]

Taleroth wrote...

 Yes. Being blunt is kind of her thing. And, more importantly, she has nothing to gain from lying about it.

Being blunt does not mean total honesty and of course she has everything to gain. If her goal is to get a old gods soul then making it seem like the battle Denerim against the Archdemon is the only way. For all we actually know (if those are her true motives) it could of just been the most convenient.

[mannitt]

On the idea of no OGB I think it's important to remember that we don't know Flemeth's plan. We don't even know if Morrigan knows Flemeth's plan. I seriously doubt either of them couldn't have a backup. I think Flemeth even more because of DA2. She seemed very prepared for Morrigan. That doesn't mean though the OGB wasn't the optimal part of either of their plan. I think what interest me also. What if you didn't "kill" Flemeth and not do the DR. There are so many variables. As much as I love DA, all the lore, all of it. I wonder if its too much to figure in. Also if there is an OGB, how old would he be as of DA:I? Somewhere around 10-13. This is why I still think whatever Flemeth's ultimate goal or plan won't be in this one. Also even though Morrigan is in it. I don't think the OGB will be part of it. Especially if there is no OGB then whatever Morrigan was planning would be delayed. That in mind though I do think that whatever Morrigan's role is in DA:I. Flemeth will still be her biggest concern.

[Wulfram]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Yes, but she might have wanted to keep her intention to do the ritual a secret if the Warden and his companions weren't involved.  By claiming that the archdemon was involved, and the demon soul needed to be captured, she would have convinced the Warden that she could prevent her from performing the ritual, even if that wasn't true.

"I want the soul of a God that your religion teaches is evil.  No I'm not going to tell you why" is a really stupid cover story.

And the ritual did save the warden's life, which certainly suggests it had something to do with the Archdemon.

[phunx]

I was a bit worried at first, when I read Morrigan was going to a "human" place. Because women in media, who (possibly) had a baby, often go to the only "human" place a women can go in media = motherhood.

Then I remembered Morrigan's lines are written by drunk Gaider. It'll be fine.

[Taleroth]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Spedfrom wrote...

It doesn't matter if all of the Grey Wardens of Thedas lined up to have sex with Morrigan. You need to kill an Archdemon for the ritual to be done!!

Why do we think that's true?  Because Morrigan said so?

Can we really trust Morrigan to be forthright about that sort of thing?

Yes. Being blunt is kind of her thing. And, more importantly, she has nothing to gain from lying about it.

They were going to kill the Archdemon anyway. Her saying the ritual was related to its death changed nothing.

Yes, but she might have wanted to keep her intention to do the ritual a secret if the Warden and his companions weren't involved.  By claiming that the archdemon was involved, and the demon soul needed to be captured, she would have convinced the Warden that she could prevent her from performing the ritual, even if that wasn't true.

If she was going to lie about it, she could have just lied about the Old God soul going into the baby at all. She need not have mentioned saving the Old God, period.

Modifié par Taleroth, 14 août 2013 - 01:18 .

[Nerevar-as]

phunx wrote...

I was a bit worried at first, when I read Morrigan was going to a "human" place. Because women in media, who (possibly) had a baby, often go to the only "human" place a women can go in media = motherhood.

Then I remembered Morrigan's lines are written by drunk Gaider. It'll be fine.

Sleeping with Morrigan resulted in her getting pregnant even without the DR. Which probably meant that if DR was refused she likely kicks herself for leaving Denerim and  wasting the oportunity.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Wulfram wrote...

"I want the soul of a God that your religion teaches is evil.  No I'm not going to tell you why" is a really stupid cover story.

Only if you need someone to say yes.  If you don't, then by using this story you learn a lot about the Warden who does say yes.

And the ritual did save the warden's life, which certainly suggests it had something to do with the Archdemon.

The warden survived.  We don't strictly know how.  Morrigan may have had a hand in that, as well.

As long as there are gaps for us to fill, we can explain pretty much anything.

[THEFRIGGINDOOMGUY!]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from. Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused. There is no Old God Baby.

That's not really the point. If we refuse the ritual will it actually hinder Morrigan's plans? If it doesn't, it cheapens one of the most important decisions in the franchise. Yes yes, she might find an alternative refusing should make her plans at least more difficult.

[Jerrybnsn]

Unless............the ritual only protected one Grey Warden involved in the actual act, as she had to choose between Riordan's and you to live or be destroyed in the process. If you turned her down, she chose Riordan to save, but he ended up falling to his death. So your killing blow would kill you or Alistair or Loghain anyway. No wonder he was so, nope, nope, nope let me kill the archdemon, you guys stay back.

[reeferdemon]

Honestly, I don't know how big a part of her overall plan the OGB was. (Whatever her plan may be) For all we know she didn't even need an Old God, she just thought it would be helpful. What makes me think that way is the fact that the OGB isn't forced canon, so that means, whatever Morrigan is doing in Inquisition she can do without the OGB. It could be that the OGB is a small part of the plan, or that if the Warden turns down the Dark Ritual, she changes her plans accordingly. Even so, that means that the OGB was, at most, a means to an end.

[llawsford]

For me it has always been clear - there will be no OGB if Warden/Loghain/Alistair makes the ultimate sacrifice. Beacuse OG soul is destroyed. Silmle as that.

[In Exile]

Octavian the Emperor wrote...
That's not really the point. If we refuse the ritual will it actually hinder Morrigan's plans? If it doesn't, it cheapens one of the most important decisions in the franchise. Yes yes, she might find an alternative refusing should make her plans at least more difficult.

I have never understood why that decision was important, or why it should have had any major impact. We're talking about the soul of a creature the Warden murders the hell out of and wears for a cloak about two hours (IRL) or about a day later  (in-game). 

Just what exactly could the OGB do that's worse than the archdemon, which really was only threatening because it controlled darkspawn? 

[Angrywolves]

I happen to like the dark ritual. I have always done it.
Those who refuse it did so by their own choice and should stop complaining.

[Maconbar]

In Exile wrote...

Octavian the Emperor wrote...
That's not really the point. If we refuse the ritual will it actually hinder Morrigan's plans? If it doesn't, it cheapens one of the most important decisions in the franchise. Yes yes, she might find an alternative refusing should make her plans at least more difficult.

I have never understood why that decision was important, or why it should have had any major impact. We're talking about the soul of a creature the Warden murders the hell out of and wears for a cloak about two hours (IRL) or about a day later  (in-game). 

Just what exactly could the OGB do that's worse than the archdemon, which really was only threatening because it controlled darkspawn? 

I would say that the narrative within the game made it appear as though the decision was a big deal. It certainly didn't  like it was just a sex with Morrigan get out of jail free card.