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[Milady]

Corypheus.. oder Flemeth or something else demonic. But the Chantry/Templar Order as a whole could be one giant antagonist either.

IDK!

[Catroi]

it's not gona be Mirri, too risky to harm her character...

[Taleroth]

I do not think it's the best of ideas to make the main antagonist a guy who only appeared in a DLC. Maybe that guy could be a secondary antagonist.

It'd probably be best if the antagonist was someone new.

[maliluka]

Maybe they are throwing us for a loop on this one and we are the actual antagonists here.

[Taleroth]

maliluka wrote...

Maybe they are throwing us for a loop on this one and we are the actual antagonists here.

That would be impossible, as the antagonist opposes the protagonist. And the protagonist is defined as the lead role, not the good guy.

Unless you are suggesting the Inquisitor is fighting himself. That would be cool, I liked Fight Club.

[maliluka]

A convention of the antagonist in a story is that their moral choices are less savoury than those of the protagonist, so depending on what choices were made by your player. Not everyone likes to play the good upstanding moral character all the time.
that was all I was thinking when I said maybe we would be the antagonist... just a random thought

Modifié par maliluka, 15 août 2013 - 01:54 .

[Taleroth]

maliluka wrote...

A convention of the antagonist in a story is that their moral choices are less savoury than those of the protagonist, so depending on what choices were made by your player. Not everyone likes to play the good upstanding moral character all the time.
that was all I was thinking when I said maybe we would be the antagonist... just a random thought

So you would like it to be Tyler Durden. I can get behind that.

[o Ventus]

maliluka wrote...

A convention of the antagonist in a story is that their moral choices are less savoury than those of the protagonist, so depending on what choices were made by your player.

Tell that to a game like Fable, where you can wantonly slaughter the entire in-game world's supply of civilians (including yor spouse, but excluding children), or sacrifice them to a faux-satanic church for eternal youth.

[azarhal]

maliluka wrote...

A convention of the antagonist in a story is that their moral choices are less savoury than those of the protagonist, so depending on what choices were made by your player. Not everyone likes to play the good upstanding moral character all the time.
that was all I was thinking when I said maybe we would be the antagonist... just a random thought

Antagonist just mean against the protagonist (aka rival/competitor) . Protagonist just mean main character (in greek it actually means one who plays the first part).  It has nothing to do with morality.

[mikeymoonshine]

I doubt the main antagonist will be like the Templar, the Mages or even the Chantry because your player can support those organisations. They could become antagonists based on player choice a bit like DA2 but in the end Meredith was always the main antagonist (for act three anyway).

It could be something that escaped from the fade though like a demon or that dragon thing, maybe it will be another old god or something.

I just can't imagine it being Flemeth and I certainly don't see it being Morrigan.

[DarthLaxian]

MevenSelas wrote...

Grand Enchanter Fiona

???

what makes her evil?

her love of freedome, or free-choice, that she probably dislikes humans somewhat (she has very good reasons IMHO!) and the fact that she probably is no good mother? (she is - at least most likely - Alistairs mother!)

well, probably not (no repeat of the DA2 mess of an ending (fighting the first enchanter even if you helped the mages which was utter stupidity IMHO!)

as of now, we don't have much to go on IMHO (could be Flemeth though - also i doubt it, why would she want to rule all (even more so, as she probably would have made a grab for power already, if that is what she wanted - she has been living in the middle of no-where for centuries probably!!!)) so i will not speculate

greetings LAX

[mikeymoonshine]

azarhal wrote...

maliluka wrote...

A convention of the antagonist in a story is that their moral choices are less savoury than those of the protagonist, so depending on what choices were made by your player. Not everyone likes to play the good upstanding moral character all the time.
that was all I was thinking when I said maybe we would be the antagonist... just a random thought

Antagonist just mean against the protagonist (aka rival/competitor) . Protagonist just mean main character (in greek it actually means one who plays the first part).  It has nothing to do with morality.

But your protag could be an antag to thedas (allthough I am sure you will eventually be forced into some sort of heroicness). Morrigan did say in the trailer something about leading the world to it's bitter end I am really interested in what was meant by that. 

can you end the world, change the world or just be no help at all in saving anyone due to your evilness. 

I highly doubt you could actually end the world or even change it in a massive way that would not be the same no matter what you did but it's still interesting. 

[CARL_DF90]

My money's on Corypheus, Flemeth, or a combination there of.

[Iron Fist]

DarthLaxian wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

Grand Enchanter Fiona

???

what makes her evil?

her love of freedome, or free-choice, that she probably dislikes humans somewhat (she has very good reasons IMHO!) and the fact that she probably is no good mother? (she is - at least most likely - Alistairs mother!)

An antagonist doesn't have to be "evil." It's just the role of someone who is antagonistic to the goals of the protagonist (the person that WE follow, who doesn't have to be "good"). It's obvious that the Inquisition is opposed by many different factions. From Fiona's perspective, the successes of the non-aligned Inquisition might accidentally lead to the reformation of the Chantry into something even more anti-magic. She was the last Grand Enchanter of the Circle of Magi, so she has a lot of sway among the mages.

Bear in mind, I play an Elven mage who totally supports mage freedom. Having an antagonist like this would be really interesting. But I also think there's something going on with the Grey Wardens, which Fiona was once a part of too.

Modifié par MevenSelas, 15 août 2013 - 02:31 .

[maliluka]

azarhal wrote...

maliluka wrote...

A convention of the antagonist in a story is that their moral choices are less savoury than those of the protagonist, so depending on what choices were made by your player. Not everyone likes to play the good upstanding moral character all the time.
that was all I was thinking when I said maybe we would be the antagonist... just a random thought

Antagonist just mean against the protagonist (aka rival/competitor) . Protagonist just mean main character (in greek it actually means one who plays the first part).  It has nothing to do with morality.

Yes I know the difference, and probably should have worded that better. ( trying to type quickly on phone doesn't help) And, I do know that the antagonists does not have to be a person, it can be an object, an emotion, freak of nature whatever. They are normally portrayed however, by having their moral choices as be less than optimal than the protagonists who gets to play the hero. However there are such things as Hero Antagonists.

Anyway I would think that the Antagonists in this one would probably be someone we aren't suspecting. I don't think it is Flemeth or Morrigan

[Dubozz]

 This guy

[djbc80]

andraste will be the main antagonist

[Wolf]

I don't really want it to be Flemeth, as her being an antagonist after everything would be a bit anti-climactic but I'm cool with it as long as she doesn't lose her complexity. I would think either the Maker, a crazed Chantry member who is actually a mage.

Or a cabal of mages from Tevinter (or somewhere else) trying to trace the steps of the original magisters with the goal of bringing paradise to Thedas at any cost, unlike the magisters of old who merely sought power.

[mikeymoonshine]

I'm really thinking it could be Dumat. That would make sense with sandals prophesy, maybe he's found a way to return and wants to like take over Thedas, using Cory to control the wardens and cause friction as well as maybe manipulating the circle and the Templars against eachother.

[draken-heart]

I would rather it be someone we have not met before, so they can forshadow the character all they want.

Modifié par draken-heart, 15 août 2013 - 04:41 .

[azarhal]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

But your protag could be an antag to thedas (allthough I am sure you will eventually be forced into some sort of heroicness). Morrigan did say in the trailer something about leading the world to it's bitter end I am really interested in what was meant by that. 

can you end the world, change the world or just be no help at all in saving anyone due to your evilness. 

I highly doubt you could actually end the world or even change it in a massive way that would not be the same no matter what you did but it's still interesting. 

I think "lead the world to it's bitter end", means either a ME2-type ending that can't be exported or that you can try to "destroy the world", but someone else will "save the day" (and kill you in the process).

[Iron Fist]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

I'm really thinking it could be Dumat. That would make sense with sandals prophesy, maybe he's found a way to return and wants to like take over Thedas, using Cory to control the wardens and cause friction as well as maybe manipulating the circle and the Templars against eachother.

I thought David Gaider or one of the other writers said Sandal's "prophecy" was an in-joke, maybe just a hint for the plot of DA3 but nothing more.

Besides, Hawke's story was told from Varric's point of view. He probably made that part up.

[TMB903]

Flemeth.

[dduane o]

After watching the trailers and hearing the devs talk about what the inquisitor is, saying that they are some rebellion upstart from the video interviews, it's making me believe that the inquisitor is the bad guy, like KOTOR which the protagonist is actually a sith.

I mean think about it, it's your job to find who is the main antagonist because you don't know and then demand or request alliances. From the trailers, the inquisitors attacked a grey warden headquarters, led by Penteghast (conclusion that cassandra is a known companion for the inquisitor) and burn down a whole village because the whim wasn't granted, seen with Varrick, and there were grey wardens in that village too! (grey warden swords). Who does that??? conquerors burn down innocent villagers and attack a known good guy headquarters. We may be the bad guy taking an opportunity since the land is divided.

I might not be drawing bad conclusion but from the information that was given, we are most likely against the chantry, we don't care about mages, and we have don't have known affiliation with any crown. So yeah we might be the bad guy here and everyone is just trying to survive to protect their organization from further fade manifestation and from the war, while we lay siege to these organization.

[draken-heart]

dduane o wrote...

After watching the trailers and hearing the devs talk about what the inquisitor is, saying that they are some rebellion upstart from the video interviews, it's making me believe that the inquisitor is the bad guy, like KOTOR which the protagonist is actually a sith.

I mean think about it, it's your job to find who is the main antagonist because you don't know and then demand or request alliances. From the trailers, the inquisitors attacked a grey warden headquarters, led by Penteghast (conclusion that cassandra is a known companion for the inquisitor) and burn down a whole village because the whim wasn't granted, seen with Varrick, and there were grey wardens in that village too! (grey warden swords). Who does that??? conquerors burn down innocent villagers and attack a known good guy headquarters. We may be the bad guy taking an opportunity since the land is divided.

I might not be drawing bad conclusion but from the information that was given, we are most likely against the chantry, we don't care about mages, and we have don't have known affiliation with any crown. So yeah we might be the bad guy here and everyone is just trying to survive to protect their organization from further fade manifestation and from the war, while we lay siege to these organization.

Us against the world? I can get behind that.