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[Jerrybnsn]

Foshizzlin wrote...

No Flemeth, then no Champion, and if that's the case, you'd basically get a "Game over" screen at the end of the prologue mission. Talk about a short game.

And if there was no Champion, who would have been there to stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry and starting the Mage/Templar war that would have thrown Thedas into chaos?

Actually, the plot of the game wasn't to keep Hawke alive and get him to Kirkwall, the plot of the game was Hawk's rise to power.  I think it even says so on the box.

[AresKeith]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

No Flemeth, then no Champion, and if that's the case, you'd basically get a "Game over" screen at the end of the prologue mission. Talk about a short game.

And if there was no Champion, who would have been there to stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry and starting the Mage/Templar war that would have thrown Thedas into chaos?

Actually, the plot of the game wasn't to keep Hawke alive and get him to Kirkwall, the plot of the game was Hawk's rise to power.  I think it even says so on the box.

Umm, that happens regardless 

[Jerrybnsn]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Flemeth is not essential to either DAO or DA2.

Yes, but I believe she is essential to the series.  The plot points that were set down in those two games will be eventually progressed so that one of these future games.....(goose bumps)

[In Exile]

Jerrybnsn wrote...
And if there was no Champion, who would have been there to stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry and starting the Mage/Templar war that would have thrown Thedas into chaos?

The templars. Or the qunari. Or any number of things. DA2 intimates that Varric was keeping Anders alive. 

Supposing that Varric and Anders collaborate w/o Hawke, they'd have to survive the Deep Roads. After that, Anders has to stay alive in Kirkwall, and Meredith and Orisino have to somehow stop the Arishok. The city guard is useless because they're all dead, the tempalrs are weaker (if they're around) because of the demon army that Tahrone raises and their presumably loses in bringing in Grace and Decimus. 

If the Arishok kills Meredith, there's no Anders moment at all. 

[Jerrybnsn]

Jessabeth wrote...
If it's not confirmed, don't get it in your head that it exists.

What's the title of my OP?

"Suggestions on how to handle the Warden's or Hawke's appearance".

[Jessabeth]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Jessabeth wrote...
If it's not confirmed, don't get it in your head that it exists.

What's the title of my OP?

"Suggestions on how to handle the Warden's or Hawke's appearance".

You're really good at ignoring parts of what is posted for your own benefit. 
I am no longer going to participate in this thread as it's become pointless to attempt discussions.

[Jerrybnsn]

LucianaIV wrote...

The sticky thing is that demand for the two characters is still high, a lot of people still want both in it, .

To be honest, I believe it's mostly just the warden.  Hawke didn't have an OGB with Morrigan, who may or may not be essential to this next game.  That's were the fan rage will come from if the Warden isn't treated seriously to the player's choices that they made.

[Jerrybnsn]

Jessabeth wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Jessabeth wrote...
If it's not confirmed, don't get it in your head that it exists.

What's the title of my OP?

"Suggestions on how to handle the Warden's or Hawke's appearance".

You're really good at ignoring parts of what is posted for your own benefit. 
I am no longer going to participate in this thread as it's become pointless to attempt discussions.

Allen's last statement was for me not to get my hopes up about getting a lot of depth on the Warden as I was suggesting.  What does "don't get it in your head that it exists" mean?  What does that have to do with hoping or suggesting for things?

Where would we be if I didn't single handly take on the task of begging for multi-races?

[Versus Omnibus]

I'm fine with them being mentioned and what they're currently doing. I don't need to see them, just know about their currently activities.

[In Exile]

Jerrybnsn wrote...
To be honest, I believe it's mostly just the warden.  Hawke didn't have an OGB with Morrigan, who may or may not be essential to this next game.  That's were the fan rage will come from if the Warden isn't treated seriously to the player's choices that they made.

Fan rage is inevitable. Even if somehow they made an entire game only about this one choice, people would still rage about the options. 

[The Elder King]

@Jerrybnsn: the thread that Allan opened for discussing the lack of racial options last year was enourmous and people expressed their dedire of wanting race back. Threads were opened from time to time by various people demanding race back. And Bioware already stated last year that they wanted to bring back races options in the IP. The time extension gave them the opportunity to bring them back in DAI.
Unless you can prove that you did something valuable enough to convince bioware of bringing back race options, you just sound arrogant.

[Taiyama]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Her part is non-essential, like Flemeth's? Wow. That's not what I was expecting.

At this point I'm not actually sure what you're expecting, since you're doing a great job of misreading my posts (non-trivial is not non-essential), and I don't even know where Flemeth comes into play with your commentary, since I didn't mention her in my post.


*snip*

Can I just step in and say that I appreciate how reasonable and polite you're being, Allan? I know some might take this as me being a kiss-up, but really I just want someone to thank you for how nice you are to most of us. Maybe it brightens your day a bit.

[SilentK]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

LucianaIV wrote...

The sticky thing is that demand for the two characters is still high, a lot of people still want both in it, .

To be honest, I believe it's mostly just the warden.  Hawke didn't have an OGB with Morrigan, who may or may not be essential to this next game.  That's were the fan rage will come from if the Warden isn't treated seriously to the player's choices that they made.

As a person who always plays female Wardens and Hawkes, Morrigans baby is not the most important thing to me. I just did not connect with her in the same way as I have done with several other characters in the game. I believe she only had one OGB in all of my PT's. The other wardens kindly declined. I care a lot for my wardens and would be sad if their choices and influence were not felt. What happens in Orzammar and so forth, I am just more interested in the world at large. They have done so much more for Ferelden than say nay or jay to Morrigan. Would be quite sad if they where just reduced to baby-enablers.

Modifié par SilentK, 18 août 2013 - 09:23 .

[Jerrybnsn]

hhh89 wrote...

@Jerrybnsn: the thread that Allan opened for discussing the lack of racial options last year was enourmous and people expressed their dedire of wanting race back. Threads were opened from time to time by various people demanding race back. And Bioware already stated last year that they wanted to bring back races options in the IP. The time extension gave them the opportunity to bring them back in DAI.
Unless you can prove that you did something valuable enough to convince bioware of bringing back race options, you just sound arrogant.

 Sometimes it sure felt like I was the only one who wanted multiplayer. Sort of like this post where I seem to be the only one who wants and is suggesting my Warden to reappear again to close some open plot points from Origins and Witch Hunt.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 18 août 2013 - 10:46 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Taiyama wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Her part is non-essential, like Flemeth's? Wow. That's not what I was expecting.

At this point I'm not actually sure what you're expecting, since you're doing a great job of misreading my posts (non-trivial is not non-essential), and I don't even know where Flemeth comes into play with your commentary, since I didn't mention her in my post.


*snip*

Can I just step in and say that I appreciate how reasonable and polite you're being, Allan? I know some might take this as me being a kiss-up, but really I just want someone to thank you for how nice you are to most of us. Maybe it brightens your day a bit.

I'm not trying to be rude to Allen.  Look at the discussion in it's context.  That was my response, to his response  where I specifically ask if she is essential to the plot, which means she is one of the main ingrediants to the story, hence what I meant by "essentialy her story",  he said he wouldn't say that. So I interrpeted that as a "no" she was not essential to the story.  I was never even responding to the "non-trival" because that was irrelevant to my question.  And my Flemeth example is right there in my original question to him, so I have no idea why he asked where did Flemeth come from and he didn't mention her, when it was I that did:

  Jerrybnsn wrote

“The kernel of Inquisition’s story we knew from about midway through Dragon Age: Origins. The story has been in the making for a very long time,” Laidlaw says. “The story of Inquisition is [Morrigan’s] moment, which is a good way to think about it.”



So if Morrigan's is not essentially involved in the plot at all, and if you can cut all her parts out and not replace it with anything and the Inquisition's story is uneffected. like you could with Flemeth's in DA2, then there is an expectation out there that I (maybe others) need to curtail.  Using Morrigan's appearance in the trailer probably didn't help.

Is Morrigan's role non-essentail to Inquisiton?



Allen Shumacher wrote : I think you're reading a bit too much into the comment.

Morrigan plays a non-trivial part, but I wouldn't say the upcoming game is Morrigan's story. It's "Morrigan's moment" in that you get to see some of the results (aka loose ends and whatnot) for the types of things she's looking on doing, but there's swaths of the game where she's not a part of.

Be careful letting your imagination run with stuff that you really want (and then cascading that to other stuff that you really want) because on some level you'll end up creating a situation where "This isn't what my imagination told me I was promised." Inquisition follows the Inquisitor, not Morrigan

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 18 août 2013 - 11:01 .

[Get Magna Carter]

One problem with the suggestion is the requirements include
1) make the appearances optional
and
2) make the appearances important

This combination is unlikely to work

While I would like an explanation of what happened to them (and what Morrigan's gift to the Warden was) an actual appearance is likely to disappoint

[Jerrybnsn]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

One problem with the suggestion is the requirements include
1) make the appearances optional
and
2) make the appearances important

This combination is unlikely to work

While I would like an explanation of what happened to them (and what Morrigan's gift to the Warden was) an actual appearance is likely to disappoint

So would you say that CoD's optional scene didn't work?  The one where you were inflitrated into a group of terrorists and had to partake in a massive killing of innocent people at an airport.  (incidentally this also involved switching to another character that was not your original protagonist  just for that scene) I found the scene wasn't essential to the plot, yet still  fitted into the storyline if you did play it.

edit: and of course, I've mentioned several times in this post that if Bioware has other plans to use the Warden and Hawke than my suggestions wouldn't fit into their storyline(s), and that's why it wouldn't work.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 18 août 2013 - 11:44 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Where would we be if I didn't single handly take on the task of begging for multi-races?

Adding player races back into the game.

Sort of like this post where I seem to be the only one who wants and is suggesting my Warden to reappear again to close some open plot points from Origins and Witch Hunt.

Well let me assure you that your position, and even the concept behind this thread, is not unique. Many of the suggestions themselves are not unique. You're not the first to suggest having chargen for the past PCs. You're not the first to say that a cameo would not be sufficient, and you're not the first to say that you'd like them to play key roles.


I remember you being very upset at the announcement of a lack of player races. And I have been very deliberate in focusing more on the Warden than Hawke since I know full well that the Warden is what is so important to you.

But everytime I see you bring up how you're fighting the good fight for the benefit of others, and it has happened a number of times now, I start to think you might actually believe it which is a great way to express lane yourself right into the bin marked "unreasonable." Which will only serve to undermine your efforts to shape DAI into the game Jerrybnsn wants.

And my Flemeth example is right there in my original question to him, so I have no idea why he asked where did Flemeth come from and he didn't mention her, when it was I that did:

Busted. I didn't actually read that entire post. I just quoted the whole thing. Which actually reinforces my previous point.

[Jerrybnsn]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Sort of like this post where I seem to be the only one who wants and is suggesting my Warden to reappear again to close some open plot points from Origins and Witch Hunt.

Well let me assure you that your position, and even the concept behind this thread, is not unique. Many of the suggestions themselves are not unique. You're not the first to suggest having chargen for the past PCs.

Of course I'm not the only one who wants what I'm suggesting, but sometimes it seems to be when you get told a lot that they or nobody wants it as a response. It was just humoruous tongue and cheek to the barage of posters who are arguing that they don't want the Warden and Hawke to reappear.  I was just saying that the post is sort of like the arguments we had for the past three years on whether to bring multiraces back or not. and the responses I recieved with them.

Including this one in regards to getting my hopes up about the reappearance of the Warden.

Jessabeth wrote...
If it's not confirmed, don't get it in your head that it exists.

  Allen Shumacher wrote
But everytime I see you bring up how you're fighting the good fight for the benefit of others, and it has happened a number of times now, I start to think you might actually believe it which is a great way to express lane yourself right into the bin marked "unreasonable." Which will only serve to undermine your efforts to shape DAI into the game Jerrybnsn wants.

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Fighting the good fight part is to be humorous.  But wait....multiraces aren't good?

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 18 août 2013 - 12:58 .

[Get Magna Carter]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Get Magna Carter wrote...

One problem with the suggestion is the requirements include
1) make the appearances optional
and
2) make the appearances important

This combination is unlikely to work

While I would like an explanation of what happened to them (and what Morrigan's gift to the Warden was) an actual appearance is likely to disappoint

So would you say that CoD's optional scene didn't work?  The one where you were inflitrated into a group of terrorists and had to partake in a massive killing of innocent people at an airport.  (incidentally this also involved switching to another character that was not your original protagonist  just for that scene) I found the scene wasn't essential to the plot, yet still  fitted into the storyline if you did play it.

edit: and of course, I've mentioned several times in this post that if Bioware has other plans to use the Warden and Hawke than my suggestions wouldn't fit into their storyline(s), and that's why it wouldn't work.

I don't like first-person shooters so have never played CoD
I did hear that the scene was only made optional due to controversy and it got a lot of criticism for being badly thought-out (and I get the impression that the events are assumed to happen regardless of whether selected or not - so the option is whether to see the events happening [and participate a little] or have it take place off screen) 

[Fast Jimmy]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

  Allan Shumacher wrote
But everytime I see you bring up how you're fighting the good fight for the benefit of others, and it has happened a number of times now, I start to think you might actually believe it which is a great way to express lane yourself right into the bin marked "unreasonable." Which will only serve to undermine your efforts to shape DAI into the game Jerrybnsn wants.

.

Fighting the good fight part is to be humorous.  But wait....multiraces aren't good?

He's saying anyone taking credit for player race choices coming back is a little silly. Individuals on the BSN had a part in that, sure. As did Tumblr, Twitter, survey feedback, market research and I'm sure a whole host of other things. 

So any one person on the BSN taking credit for "winning" when "fighting the good fight" was giving Allan pause for concern. He wasn't 100% sure if you were joking or being delusional.

[LucianaIV]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

So would you say that CoD's optional scene didn't work?  The one where you were inflitrated into a group of terrorists and had to partake in a massive killing of innocent people at an airport.  (incidentally this also involved switching to another character that was not your original protagonist  just for that scene) I found the scene wasn't essential to the plot, yet still  fitted into the storyline if you did play it.

Woah, hold on a moment there, CoD has always, at least in Black Ops and Modern Warfare, done protagonist switching.

CoD games typically do not have one set protagonist, neither Roach nor Ramirez nor Soap is the sole protagonist of CoD MW2, The Inquisitor in DA:I IS the sole protagonist you are supposed to play as.

[Jerrybnsn]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

He's saying anyone taking credit for player race choices coming back is a little silly. Individuals on the BSN had a part in that, sure. As did Tumblr, Twitter, survey feedback, market research and I'm sure a whole host of other things. 

So any one person on the BSN taking credit for "winning" when "fighting the good fight" was giving Allan pause for concern. He wasn't 100% sure if you were joking or being delusional.

I thought the little  helped that it was not to be taken seriously.

[o Ventus]

LucianaIV wrote...

Woah, hold on a moment there, CoD has always, at least in Black Ops and Modern Warfare, done protagonist switching.

CoD games typically do not have one set protagonist, neither Roach nor Ramirez nor Soap is the sole protagonist of CoD MW2, The Inquisitor in DA:I IS the sole protagonist you are supposed to play as.

Every CoD up to and including World at War has had at least 2 separate campaigns with different protagonists. Sometimes there would also be special missions where you take on the role of another character for that particular level. The first Black Ops was primarily focused on Alex Mason, but there were a number of times where you would play as Hudson.

Modern Warfare somewhat changed it by intertwining the 2 campaigns in some way, and BO2 followed suit.

Say what you will about CoD, but I actually like the way they handle multiple protagonists.

Modifié par o Ventus, 18 août 2013 - 06:06 .