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[Jerrybnsn]

Lord Aesir wrote...

 Not being PCs, they would have to conform to some preset personality that is probably nothing like the one I worked up for my game.

They are not suggested npcs with preset personalities.   I already covered that in my op.

[Jerrybnsn]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Hawke would be easier to get away with a cameo.

I definitely down want the Warden to reappear unless I control him...maybe in a special dlc

You control Hawke and the Warden.  I've already mention that in my op.  There's another post that deals with having them be companions or npcs.  This is not that post.

[Palidane]

For the record, I think all of you are dead wrong and I fully expect the Warden and Hawke to play a sizable role in the future games. "Their stories are over!". Seriously? Dragon Age 2 ended on Leliana and Cassandra searching for the suddenly missing Hawke and Warden. That is not a satisfying conclusion, that is a plot point.

[Jerrybnsn]

Realmzmaster wrote...

 I see no reasons to waste resources on recreating Hawke and/or the Warden as NPCs. .

Wrong post.  This isn't the Hawke/Warden NPC post.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 14 août 2013 - 03:59 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Korusus wrote...

My Warden is dead...why? Because HERO, that's why.

Then your Warden is dead.  What's the problem with others, whose Wardens are still alive, having more game time with them?  You say that's wrong?

[Jerrybnsn]

Palidane wrote...

For the record, I think all of you are dead wrong and I fully expect the Warden and Hawke to play a sizable role in the future games. "Their stories are over!". Seriously? Dragon Age 2 ended on Leliana and Cassandra searching for the suddenly missing Hawke and Warden. That is not a satisfying conclusion, that is a plot point.

Get 'em Palidane!   The only real arguments I've been getting as to why they don't want to see the Warden, is because they want the Warden to go away.  Well, this series is about the Age of the Dragon in Thedas, and our Warden is still a very important part of it, just as Morrigan, Flemeth, Alistair, Varric (Varric?) and any one else.

[Korusus]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Korusus wrote...

My Warden is dead...why? Because HERO, that's why.

Then your Warden is dead.  What's the problem with others, whose Wardens are still alive, having more game time with them?  You say that's wrong?

My response was toungue-in-cheek but....

I think trudging up the Warden or Hawke in any capacity will be as satisfying as truding up Revan was satisfying in SWTOR which is to say: not satisfying in the least.

The Warden is defined by the relationship you have with that character, not the relationship that character has with other complete strangers in Thedas.  Outside of a few people in Ferelden, no one even knows who the Warden is.  Why would the Inquisitor or anyone else give two licks about the Warden?  And Hawke was revealed to have been a fraud and a joke all along.  No one gives a crap about Hawke's opinion.

The Inquisitor sounds like a character who is interested in getting stuff done, he doesn't have time for dead nobodies and losers.

[Jerrybnsn]

Korusus wrote...

The Inquisitor sounds like a character who is interested in getting stuff done, he doesn't have time for dead nobodies and losers.

I'll just put you down in the "want the Warden to go away" column.

[Jerrybnsn]

I have to say at this point, that this reminds me about a year and a half ago when I was pushing for Morrigan to return and was receiving just as much negativity on the matter. And now here we are, with an article coming out that quotes David Gaider as saying that essentially, Inquisition is Morrigan's story.

[ShadyKat]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

No. Gorramit, just leave those two out of it.

This.
Don't know why some people are so obsessed with Hawke and the Warden being in this game?! The third game isn't about them, so why should they show up? I have no problem with them being mentioned,  but that should be it.

[Secretlyapotato]

Try to match her appearance, slap a helmet on her, whatever, bring her back!! ^.^ (Oh and Hawke too I guess, or ditch him, I wanna see mah warden more :3)

[Zu Long]

MevenSelas wrote...

BioWare's options
1. Consume further resources for an ultimately impossible desire to fulfill for a fraction of people
2. Provide simple/vague narration or text allowing open interpretation for everyone

"Lots of interpretation for everyone!"... Now, where have I heard that before?

I'll take a brief cameo by my characters over "interpretation" every day of the week.

[Shaftell]

EntropicAngel wrote...

We don't need any of this. Dragon Age is not the story of Hawke. Dragon Age is not the story of the Warden.

Dragon Age is the story of Thedas, and presumably the Dragon Age, though they may go beyond.

The Warden's story is over. He or she does not need to appear. We already have enough "closure."

Hawke's story is over. He or she does not need to appear. We already have enough "closure."

I don't agree with you. Their story isn't over. Both of the characters mysteriously disappear which means something has happened that we will find out later. Hawke and Warden play a big role in Thedas and are prominent hero's in this world. Their story is over the moment we find out their fate. I don't care whether they appear in the next game so long as I know their fate. I think players have the right to know what happened to them. Even in Mass Effect 3's * SPOILER ALERT******** destroy ending, either Shepard dies or he lives depending on what you think. That is closure. He doesn't abruptly disappear that we never hear from him ever again. The moment we find out their fate is the moment their stories are done.

[Jerrybnsn]

ShadyKat wrote...

This.
Don't know why some people are so obsessed with Hawke and the Warden being in this game?! The third game isn't about them, so why should they show up?

Character loyalty.  Closure.  It would be fun.  Take your pick.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 14 août 2013 - 04:35 .

[Palidane]

Korusus wrote...
My response was toungue-in-cheek but....

I think trudging up the Warden or Hawke in any capacity will be as satisfying as truding up Revan was satisfying in SWTOR which is to say: not satisfying in the least.

The Warden is defined by the relationship you have with that character, not the relationship that character has with other complete strangers in Thedas.  Outside of a few people in Ferelden, no one even knows who the Warden is.  Why would the Inquisitor or anyone else give two licks about the Warden?  And Hawke was revealed to have been a fraud and a joke all along.  No one gives a crap about Hawke's opinion.

The Inquisitor sounds like a character who is interested in getting stuff done, he doesn't have time for dead nobodies and losers.

That seems to reflect more on your personal characters than all Wardens and all Hawkes. If you rolled an incompetent Warden that everybody will dismiss, good for you. But don't try to put my Warden in the same box.
 
To clarify my stance, I don't necessarily think the three of them should get together and adventure through out the whole game. I respect the Inquisitor and the amount of spotlight he will require in order to be a valid protagonist. However, my Warden didn't disappear down a black hole after the Blight. We know at least parts of DAI will take place in Ferelden, and we know the Grey Wardens will be involved. I don't see what's so wrong with The Warden Commander of Ferelden appearing and kicking ass for a while. The same is true of Hawke. If the Inquisitor goes to Andoral's Reach, I think my Hawke should be there, supporting the Mage rebellion. They don't have to play a major role, but I think they should at least exist.

Now, this of course assumes the "Disappearing Heroes" thread gets dropped or retconned. Even if it doesn't, the problem won't go away. Leliana is searching for the Warden, Cassandra thinks Hawke is the key to solving the war. So the Seekers are searching, the Grey Wardens will almost certainly be searching, Hawke and the Warden's respective love interests will be searching, Varric will probably be searching. When important and influential people disappear, people don't shrug their shoulders and move on.

Modifié par Palidane, 14 août 2013 - 04:38 .

[o Ventus]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Had their ends?  I left my Warden with either a gift that was of great importance (that I have no idea what it was), and one where he accepts going into the Eluvian mirror in order to face the future threat with Morrigan.  Now Morrigan has returned in a major role for the Inquisition, and as was written in this up coming article, the Inquisition is mainly about Morrigan's story. Where's my Warden?

You left your warden having defeated the Blight.

That was the end of their story. Expansions and DLC are not the story.

Awakening directly continues the plot after the core game, and Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt are both considered post-campaign in the plot.

[Taleroth]

Palidane wrote...

Cassandra thinks Hawke is the key to solving the war. 

Everybody makes mistakes.

[Zu Long]

I honestly don't get the people who don't want Hawke or Warden to show up again. How is "And the legendary badass disappeared forever for no adequately explained reason" in any way a satisfying end to the Warden or Hawke's story?

DA:I doesn't have to be ABOUT them for them to play a role in what happens, and what the OP suggests is as good a way as I've seen to do it.

[Korusus]

Palidane wrote...

That seems to reflect more on your personal characters than all Wardens and all Hawkes. If you rolled an incompetent Warden that everybody will dismiss, good for you. But don't try to put my Warden in the same box.
 
To clarify my stance, I don't necessarily think the three of them should get together and adventure through out the whole game. I respect the Inquisitor and the amount of spotlight he will require in order to be a valid protagonist. However, my Warden didn't disappear down a black hole after the Blight. We know at least parts of DAI will take place in Ferelden, and we know the Grey Wardens will be involved. I don't see what's so wrong with The Warden Commander of Ferelden appearing and kicking ass for a while. The same is true of Hawke. If the Inquisitor goes to Andoral's Reach, I think my Hawke should be there, supporting the Mage rebellion. They don't have to play a major role, but I think they should at least exist.

Now, this of course assumes the "Disappearing Heroes" thread gets dropped or retconned. Even if it doesn't, the problem won't go away. Leliana is searching for the Warden, Cassandra thinks Hawke is the key to solving the war. So the Seekers are searching, the Grey Wardens will almost certainly be switching, Hawke and the Warden's respective love interests will be searching, Varric will probably be searching. When important and influential people disappear, people don't shrug their shoulders and move on.

I'm not saying the Warden was incompetent, far from it.  The Warden is just anonymous.  There's no reason to assume the Warden is some kind of celebrity in Thedas.  If the Inquisitor is Orlesian then there's no reason to assume she/he even cares about the now ancient history of the  Ferelden blight.  Cassandra thought Hawke was key...and was mistaken.  

While the Warden and Hawke are important to us as the players, they are mostly irrelevant to Thedas as a whole and BioWare essentially wrote them that way.  It's a play on the whole fulfillment of prophecy schtick...it's Gaider's cynical homage to black and white morality.  That's the joke...your heroes don't matter, they never did.  Despite all of your Warden's sacrifices, no one appreciates him/her for it.  Despite how important Cassandra thought Hawke was to the Mage rebellion...it turns out... meh?  That kind of harsh cynicism is what makes Dragon Age interesting to me.

Modifié par Korusus, 14 août 2013 - 04:48 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Filament wrote...

Oh, someone else fancies themselves a prophet. Careful, you have competition.

Not a prophet so much, as a nyanyanya...in your face!  But seriously, where was all the fan hate from this site when it was announced that Morrigan has returned and is playing a major part in the new story? None, nothing.  Strange.