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[chessplayer209]

Couple questions:
1) Is there any way to both save the workers AND kill Vito?

2) If 1 is not possible, is there any way to complete the mission while saving the workers AND getting Zaeed's loyalty? I noticed two opportunities to persuade, both charm options. The first one was a mouse-click charm option at the beginning of the mission, and the 2nd was at the end of the mission as Vito gets away. I managed to make the first charm - the mouseclick charm, but I missed the 2nd charm option during the mission that occurs as Vito escapes. How high does my Paragon need to be to make that option work?

EDIT:  Boy do I wish there was a way to kill that filthy little cockroach Vito. I replayed the mission on Renegade and saved right before the end so I can watch Zaeed have fun frying him over and over...

EDIT 2:  What are your thoughts on the moral question of whether to save the workers vs killing Vito? At face value, it seems like saving the workers is the obvious choice, but throughout the mission Zaeed says over and over that Vito is a sadist, and judging by his comments on the radio, he really sounds like one. Is it possible by letting him go (and saving the workers), you're actually dooming more people to be tortured by his hands?

Modifié par chessplayer209, 14 août 2013 - 01:13 .

[chessplayer209]

By 70%, do you mean my Paragon bar has to be 70% filled?

Modifié par chessplayer209, 14 août 2013 - 01:14 .

[RedCaesar97]

The persuasion system in Mass Effect 2 explained.

[cap and gown]

Morality in ME2 works on a percentage of total morality points available up to that point in the game. So, if you have visited 3 places where a total of 100 morality points were available to be earned, the number of renegade and paragon points you actually earned would be your percentage. In this example, 100 points could have been earned in total. Sheppard chose enough paragon options to earn 60 points, enough renegade options to earn 25 points, and skipped 15 points either by picking neutral options or not interacting with the characters concerned. For instance, maybe Sheppard visited Omega but did not bother to speak to any of the shop keepers or Forvan. Or if s/he did, s/he chose not to use either intimidate or charm options with them. Based on this 60/25/15 score, Sheppard would have a 60% paragon score and 25% renegade score. The bars on that screen are really just there to give you an idea of what percent of your choices were paragon and what percent were renegade. I am not sure if it also tells you what percent of the total available you actually exploited.

[chessplayer209]

Wow, this is really annoying. I feel like the game wants to shove me into a neat little box "Renegade" OR "Paragon," and there's no room for doing Renegade sometimes (when it's warranted or enjoyable), and still playing an overall "Paragon" game.

[capn233]

Complaints about that were why we got generic "reputation" in ME3.

We have had 3 total morality / persuasion systems over the 3 games... I am not really sure which I prefer.

[cap and gown]

chessplayer209 wrote...

Wow, this is really annoying. I feel like the game wants to shove me into a neat little box "Renegade" OR "Paragon," and there's no room for doing Renegade sometimes (when it's warranted or enjoyable), and still playing an overall "Paragon" game.

I hear you. From my understanding, it is better in ME3, where the checks are based more on reputation than paragon/renegade. I could be wrong about that, but I found that I could often use an intimidate check even when my renegade score was rather low as long as my reputation bar was high. (For instance in brokering peace btw the Geth and Quarians.)

Anyway, I doubt it much matters whether Zaeed is loyal. Inferno grenades are not a great power.

[capn233]

It depends on who you want your final squad to be in the SM...

[chessplayer209]

cap and gown wrote...

chessplayer209 wrote...

Wow, this is really annoying. I feel like the game wants to shove me into a neat little box "Renegade" OR "Paragon," and there's no room for doing Renegade sometimes (when it's warranted or enjoyable), and still playing an overall "Paragon" game.

[...]Anyway, I doubt it much matters whether Zaeed is loyal. Inferno grenades are not a great power.

I read that it matters for ME3, and I'm doing a complete playthrough.

[cap and gown]

Well, you were given a clear choice. The dialogue option clearly says "Screw Loyalty" Actually, I think this is one of the best instances of the choice between renegade and paragon. Paragon may lose out on the long term in order to save lives in the here and now, while Renegade sacrifices lives now with the hope (?) of saving more later.

[chessplayer209]

Is there anything I can do at the last minute to get a huge boost to Paragon so I can finish the mission while keeping his loyalty? I can't make the check right now, but I have 3/5 bars filled on the Paragon meter, and couldn't make some of the Paragon checks I needed to at Tali's trial. All loyalty missions except Zaeed's and Jack's are done. I don't suppose there's any other opportunities to pick up some Paragon points? I think I got all the Paragon points I could from talking to the crew up to this point. Not sure where else to look, really.

I feel like I want to have Zaeed loyal for ME3, and I also want to be able to make the (likely harder?) Paragon check with MIranda and Jack. I think if I can't handle Zaeed's Paragon check I won't be able to do the MIranda/Jack one.

Or maybe is there some DLC I could pick up that would provide a huge paragon boost?

Modifié par chessplayer209, 15 août 2013 - 02:15 .

[cap and gown]

chessplayer209 wrote...

Is there anything I can do at the last minute to get a huge boost to Paragon so I can finish the mission while keeping his loyalty? I can't make the check right now, but I have 3/5 bars filled on the Paragon meter, and couldn't make some of the Paragon checks I needed to at Tali's trial. All loyalty missions except Zaeed's and Jack's are done. I don't suppose there's any other opportunities to pick up some Paragon points? I think I got all the Paragon points I could from talking to the crew up to this point. Not sure where else to look, really.

I feel like I want to have Zaeed loyal for ME3, and I also want to be able to make the (likely harder?) Paragon check with MIranda and Jack. I think if I can't handle Zaeed's Paragon check I won't be able to do the MIranda/Jack one.

Or maybe is there some DLC I could pick up that would provide a huge paragon boost?

Check your class power. Do you have the 70% boost to paragon/renegade, or the 100% boost? If you have the 70% boost, then retrain your powers and go for the version that gives you the 100% boost. Do this BEFORE the start of the mission where you need the boost, i.e. Legion's loyalty mission, Jack or Miranda's loyalty mission.

Also, in the case of the Jack/Miranda dispute you can salvage loyalty by siding with Miranda, then going to talk with Jack. The required paragon score is lower when talking with Jack afterwords than when dealing with the confrontation.

In the case of the Legion/Tali dispute, the required paragon score is lower than for the Miranda/Jack dispute. You can still salvage Legion's loyalty by siding with Tali then talking to Legion. In this case you will need a high renegade score (I am going off the wiki). I doubt, however, that will work if you are mostly paragon. Also, there are severe problems down the road if you cannot resolve the dispute if you want peace btw the Quarians and Geth. Read the wiki on the requirements for a peace treaty. If Tali is already exiled in your game, you absolutely MUST resolve the dispute successfully if you want peace. (See the first paragraph above.)

Added: For DLC content, if you don't have Lair of the Shadow Broker, you should get it. There are a goodly number of paragon interrupts available.

Modifié par cap and gown, 15 août 2013 - 03:14 .

[chessplayer209]

Oh man, no wonder I was missing out on these. Looks like I leveled up in the Commando class, and the Shock Trooper gets the additional charisma points you mentioned... so I guess I"ll try re-leveling in Shock Trooper and see if that does the trick.

EDIT:  lol i still can't make the charm attempt at the conclusion of Zaeed's mission... even with re-levelling in Shock Trooper for the extra 30% boost to Paragon/Renegade. Maybe I'll get Lair of the Shadow Broker for the Paragon boost or something.  I guess I should have played Zaeed, Miranda, Jack, and Tali's missions first... especially with my imported ME1 character with all those Paragon points... but I didn't think of it for some reason :/

Modifié par chessplayer209, 15 août 2013 - 06:43 .

[chessplayer209]

cap and gown wrote...

Added: For DLC content, if you don't have Lair of the Shadow Broker, you should get it. There are a goodly number of paragon interrupts available.

I'll look at that one. If that doesn't give me enough Paragon, are there any other DLC options to get a last-minute Paragon boost, or is that all?

Edit: my paragon score is 4/5 of the bar filled and its still not enough to persuade Zaeed, and also still isn't enough to successfully end the conflict between Miranda and Jack.  lol.  DLC is my only option at this point I think. I did manage to successfully persuade Tali and Legion to stop fighting though :]

Modifié par chessplayer209, 16 août 2013 - 10:08 .