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[cato potato]

Cyonan wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Striker93175 wrote...

All I know is that phantoms + dragoons hit squad w/ venom weilding BatSol goes like this:  Venom, inferno nade, balstic blades, venom, run, BB blows up.. and they have *all* just died in 4 quick moves and you are already ragdolling next little group.

Pretty much my experience with most spawns when using that character or the QME. Surprised Red John being an expert on the Soldier class can't figure out that. :innocent:

Inferno Grenade -> Ballistic Blades or Arc grenade -> Incinerate doesn't make the Venom a god like weapon =P

Most of the positive comments about the Venom in this thread are akin too 'I like it' or 'it's fun'. Not many have said 'OMG iz teh bestest gun in da game'.

The specific thing I was replying to was talking about how they can nuke spawns really quickly with it =P

I was just pointing out that not many are seriously claiming the Venom is a god-like weapon as you implied above.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Why bother posting them if you were just going to edit? Weak.

[satchel]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Max Dmian wrote...

Being the moron he was, that was ban worthy.

Oh I agree there but IDK permaban for that? I would think a longggg ban would be justified though. I guess the mods can't let people toe the line on mature content or it could be misintrepreted that more mature content is acceptable.

Dont look a gift horse in the mouth

[Mirenko]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Striker93175 wrote...

All I know is that phantoms + dragoons hit squad w/ venom weilding BatSol goes like this:  Venom, inferno nade, balstic blades, venom, run, BB blows up.. and they have *all* just died in 4 quick moves and you are already ragdolling next little group.

Pretty much my experience with most spawns when using that character or the QME. Surprised Red John being an expert on the Soldier class can't figure out that. :innocent:

He says he doesn't need venom to do that.

He says you can actually use inferno grenade > ballistic blades > shot with any weapon few shots and blades again, = spawn dead. Not venom involved in the rape.

[Mirenko]

Also incendiary ammo glitch works better on high RoF weapons.

[SilentStep79]

well, this thread's certainly gone places...

[Kalas Magnus]

b00g13man wrote...

Why bother posting them if you were just going to edit? Weak.

he got scared

botmod1 does that to people

[cato potato]

Mirenko wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Striker93175 wrote...

All I know is that phantoms + dragoons hit squad w/ venom weilding BatSol goes like this:  Venom, inferno nade, balstic blades, venom, run, BB blows up.. and they have *all* just died in 4 quick moves and you are already ragdolling next little group.

Pretty much my experience with most spawns when using that character or the QME. Surprised Red John being an expert on the Soldier class can't figure out that. :innocent:

He says he doesn't need venom to do that.

He says you can actually use inferno grenade > ballistic blades > shot with any weapon few shots and blades again, = spawn dead. Not venom involved in the rape.

So RedJohn deliberately got himself banned but wants to keep on posting here? Is he just that stupid?

[Wizard of Ox]

cato_84 wrote...

Mirenko wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Striker93175 wrote...

All I know is that phantoms + dragoons hit squad w/ venom weilding BatSol goes like this:  Venom, inferno nade, balstic blades, venom, run, BB blows up.. and they have *all* just died in 4 quick moves and you are already ragdolling next little group.

Pretty much my experience with most spawns when using that character or the QME. Surprised Red John being an expert on the Soldier class can't figure out that. :innocent:

He says he doesn't need venom to do that.

He says you can actually use inferno grenade > ballistic blades > shot with any weapon few shots and blades again, = spawn dead. Not venom involved in the rape.

So RedJohn deliberately got himself banned but wants to keep on posting here? Is he just that stupid?

Does that come as a surprise? 

[Cyonan]

cato_84 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Striker93175 wrote...

All I know is that phantoms + dragoons hit squad w/ venom weilding BatSol goes like this:  Venom, inferno nade, balstic blades, venom, run, BB blows up.. and they have *all* just died in 4 quick moves and you are already ragdolling next little group.

Pretty much my experience with most spawns when using that character or the QME. Surprised Red John being an expert on the Soldier class can't figure out that. :innocent:

Inferno Grenade -> Ballistic Blades or Arc grenade -> Incinerate doesn't make the Venom a god like weapon =P

Most of the positive comments about the Venom in this thread are akin too 'I like it' or 'it's fun'. Not many have said 'OMG iz teh bestest gun in da game'.

The specific thing I was replying to was talking about how they can nuke spawns really quickly with it =P

I was just pointing out that not many are seriously claiming the Venom is a god-like weapon as you implied above.

I only implied that those two people were calling it godly.

[Max Dmian]

cato_84 wrote...

So RedJohn deliberately got himself banned but wants to keep on posting here? Is he just that stupid?

Let me answer that for you:

RedMoron wrote...
How can people don't understand the typical question for the cool story bro answer?

[megabeast37215]

I don't really get why it keeps getting compared to the Falcon and Krysae. Those two weapons do next to no damage... Where as the Venom does rather significant damage. Sure they are all stagger sticks with great ammo proc capabilities... But the Krysae and Falcon simply do not do enough damage.

I think the compairson to the GPS is fair... But while the GPS is a better killer, the Venom still wins against it in the CC category.

Sure... People can compare it to several other projectile weapons and they can typically find ONE SINGULAR thing said weapon does better than the Venom, but the Venom will typically outperform it every other category. For instance.

Acolyte - better at stripping shields and is lighter... That's it. Venom is better at actually killing health/armor, staggers more aggressively, proc rate is a wash, availability of weapon mods is a wash.

Falcon - is lighter... That's it. Venom wins in every other catagory.

Krysae - has airburst capability... That's it. Venom wins in every other catagory. Even though the Krysae has access to the 25% Sniper damage on infiltrators evo... I feel the Venom would out DPS it on the same kit with only 4 ranks in cloak.

GPS - damage is very similar, stagger is similar, proc rate is the same, GPS has slight homing abilities, Venom has better CC abilities.

So... Like I said, people can find ONE quirk about a weapon that will outperform the Venom... But the Venom typically trashes it in every other situation. It is quite simply... The jack of all trades, best stagger stick in the game. Combined with proper ammo power combos, it also does fine vs bosses... Which is really, it's only flaw.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

The Venom isn't garbage, but if people are going to make claims of it being as amazing as it is then shouldn't it be amazing regardless of the setup for the most part, and not be so easily replacable by an average weapon?

So, in order to be good, a weapon should synergize with every kit? The fact that you can replace the Harrier by the Phaeston on the GI and still perform nicely does not make it better than the former. 

I think what he's alluding to how niche the gun is.

[Daxamite]

Tried it twice off host , not enjoyed it so far.

Also annoying that other venoms make so much screen shake

[Mirenko]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

Why bother posting them if you were just going to edit? Weak.

he got scared

botmod1 does that to people

I see them in my nightmares 

[Cyonan]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

The Venom isn't garbage, but if people are going to make claims of it being as amazing as it is then shouldn't it be amazing regardless of the setup for the most part, and not be so easily replacable by an average weapon?

So, in order to be good, a weapon should synergize with every kit? The fact that you can replace the Harrier by the Phaeston on the GI and still perform nicely does not make it better than the former. 

I think what he's alluding to how niche the gun is.

Partially that

but also that some people are saying it's great when used with Inferno Grenade + Ballistic Blades or Arc Grenade + Incinerate, and I would argue that they're attributing a little bit too much of the setup to the Venom.

It's like when people claim a kit has great damage, but are using the Reegar Carbine with Incendiary Rounds. It's not entirely the kit doing the heavy lifting in that case.

[flibber89-2]

Cyonan wrote...

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

The Venom isn't garbage, but if people are going to make claims of it being as amazing as it is then shouldn't it be amazing regardless of the setup for the most part, and not be so easily replacable by an average weapon?

So, in order to be good, a weapon should synergize with every kit? The fact that you can replace the Harrier by the Phaeston on the GI and still perform nicely does not make it better than the former. 

I think what he's alluding to how niche the gun is.

Partially that

but also that some people are saying it's great when used with Inferno Grenade + Ballistic Blades or Arc Grenade + Incinerate, and I would argue that they're attributing a little bit too much of the setup to the Venom.

It's like when people claim a kit has great damage, but are using the Reegar Carbine with Incendiary Rounds. It's not entirely the kit doing the heavy lifting in that case.

people don't like to rate guns on their own merit around here that's for sure..  I think there are only a handful of guns in the game you can literally put on anything and the strenghts of the weapon will show through.. claymoar, javelin, bw, harrier, hurricane, talon, wraith, ppr, crutcholyte  and i just don't think the venom fits into this category. 

[Cirvante]

Venom is great against guardians. Come at me scrubs.

[Cyonan]

Cirvante wrote...

Venom is great against guardians. Come at me scrubs.

The Venom is great at headshotting Guardians, but only if you have piercing to get through their shields.

[Cirvante]

Cyonan wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Venom is great against guardians. Come at me scrubs.

The Venom is great at headshotting Guardians, but only if you have piercing to get through their shields.

That much penetration would require a combination of HVB, piercing mod and AP IV. Check the numbers, you know I'm right.

[Wizard of Ox]

Cirvante wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Venom is great against guardians. Come at me scrubs.

The Venom is great at headshotting Guardians, but only if you have piercing to get through their shields.

That much penetration would require a combination of HVB, piercing mod and AP IV. Check the numbers, you know I'm right.

Where do you put your scope at then? L2p scrub. 

[Amusingthree93]

Cyonan wrote...

It's a "lower damage" weapon for two main reasons:

1. It can't get headshots
2. It can't pierce which means against a good number of units, it can't benefit from the bug that lets you hit 2-3 times per shot

The best thing about the Crusader is that it has natural piercing, which means you can add HVB or Shredder mods without suffering damage loss.

... which still, in no way, means that the venom's damage is bad. 

Dont forget the firing delay on crusader which makes headshots incredibly difficult.

How can you guys not see this. Venom has an unusually high damage for a stagger weapon. Its damage per shot is the highest of them ALL in fact combined with an excellent rate of fire. It does twice as much damage as the falcon, and fires so much faster too.

It is not a just a staggerstick. It does more harm than merely staggering things. I use it as a hunter-killer weapon, and it does exactly that. It actually kills.

You guys talk so much about boss-killing, and headshots, and triple-hit bugs. Tell you what: acolyte, falcon, scorpion can not headshot or benefit from triple-hits. Against bosses they are all slower than venom. Acolyte cant beg to dent a brute's armour. Neither can falcon. Even the scorpion is not exactly fast. 

Yet the acolyte and the scorpion are all loved whereas the venom, which is arguably better than all of them, is loathed.

The damage on the venom is really, really good. Its dps is not the highest, but it is certainly not low and the ammo proccing, 

[Cirvante]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Venom is great against guardians. Come at me scrubs.

The Venom is great at headshotting Guardians, but only if you have piercing to get through their shields.

That much penetration would require a combination of HVB, piercing mod and AP IV. Check the numbers, you know I'm right.

Where do you put your scope at then? L2p scrub. 

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[Amusingthree93]

Cirvante wrote...

Venom is great against guardians. Come at me scrubs.

Jokes aside, Venom is actually great against guardians. The explosion of its projectiles ignores the guardian shield (even from front). No secondary piercing weapon required.

[Wizard of Ox]

Cirvante wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Venom is great against guardians. Come at me scrubs.

The Venom is great at headshotting Guardians, but only if you have piercing to get through their shields.

That much penetration would require a combination of HVB, piercing mod and AP IV. Check the numbers, you know I'm right.

Where do you put your scope at then? L2p scrub. 

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