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[TMB903]

No it's not the best gun in the game....but it's the most fun and at this stage that's all I care about.

[Cyonan]

Amusingthree93 wrote...
... which still, in no way, means that the venom's damage is bad. 

Dont forget the firing delay on crusader which makes headshots incredibly difficult.

How can you guys not see this. Venom has an unusually high damage for a stagger weapon. Its damage per shot is the highest of them ALL in fact combined with an excellent rate of fire. It does twice as much damage as the falcon, and fires so much faster too.

It is not a just a staggerstick. It does more harm than merely staggering things. I use it as a hunter-killer weapon, and it does exactly that. It actually kills.

You guys talk so much about boss-killing, and headshots, and triple-hit bugs. Tell you what: acolyte, falcon, scorpion can not headshot or benefit from triple-hits. Against bosses they are all slower than venom. Acolyte cant beg to dent a brute's armour. Neither can falcon. Even the scorpion is not exactly fast. 

Yet the acolyte and the scorpion are all loved whereas the venom, which is arguably better than all of them, is loathed.

The damage on the venom is really, really good. Its dps is not the highest, but it is certainly not low and the ammo proccing, 

I suppose it's a good thing I never called the damage output bad =P

The thing about the other staggersticks is:

> Acolyte does 500% damage vs shields/barriers which more than makes up for not being able to headshot or triple hit.
> Falcon's damage is quite poor, but it's unrivaled at being a staggerstick. The radius, bouncing projectile, and radius is a perfect combination.
> I actually don't really like the Scorpion all that much, but it can double stagger(I would probably call the Venom better).

A staggerstick is primarily going to be used on a caster, which doesn't help that the Venom is the heaviest of the bunch at 140%, especially against the Acolyte's 20%.

The Venom's "thing" that it brings to the table is that it deals damage which is average rather than really bad. You can also choose to trade your damage for a wider AoE radius(I know it does more damage, but the damage is spread out and you're unlikely to hit targets with every single pellet).

The downside is that it's fairly heavy, and the gun is quite unreliable at hitting targets unless you aim at the ground(and if you can't, have fun).

When it comes down to it, I don't think the Venom is a bad weapon but I don't think it's a good weapon either. What I find it is average. It can be an amusing gun to use, but in terms of effectiveness I would much rather have the Acolyte or the Falcon.

Except maybe on a melee kit which could use the stagger, because of the Omni-Blade.

[Creator Limbs]

TMB903 wrote...

No it's not the best gun in the game....but it's the most fun and at this stage that's all I care about.

but what about deeps

you need massive deeps bro

[Sulaco_7]

wow, 8 pages in under 20 hours.. haven't seen that in a long time. could this mean a BSN resurgence?

[TMB903]

Deeps is a crutch.

[joker_jack]

TMB903 wrote...

Deeps is a crutch.

Nope. It's all about dem deeps.

[cronshaw]

Sulaco_7 wrote...

wow, 8 pages in under 20 hours.. haven't seen that in a long time. could this mean a BSN resurgence?

Has more to do with platform pissing matches

[chcknwng]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

TMB903 wrote...

No it's not the best gun in the game....but it's the most fun and at this stage that's all I care about.

but what about deeps

you need massive deeps bro

You don't need deeps if you have:
1. Flamer.
2. Inferno Grenades
3. Cluster Grenades
4. Arc Grenades.

[Moby]

MofuggerX wrote...

Oh boy here we go.

Slayer299 wrote...

What? It was an honest question, not a hate thread that "X weapons sucks" 

Read through those seven pages and you'll understand my reaction a little better.

[NuclearTech76]

flibber89-2 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

The Venom isn't garbage, but if people are going to make claims of it being as amazing as it is then shouldn't it be amazing regardless of the setup for the most part, and not be so easily replacable by an average weapon?

So, in order to be good, a weapon should synergize with every kit? The fact that you can replace the Harrier by the Phaeston on the GI and still perform nicely does not make it better than the former. 

I think what he's alluding to how niche the gun is.

Partially that

but also that some people are saying it's great when used with Inferno Grenade + Ballistic Blades or Arc Grenade + Incinerate, and I would argue that they're attributing a little bit too much of the setup to the Venom.

It's like when people claim a kit has great damage, but are using the Reegar Carbine with Incendiary Rounds. It's not entirely the kit doing the heavy lifting in that case.

people don't like to rate guns on their own merit around here that's for sure..  I think there are only a handful of guns in the game you can literally put on anything and the strenghts of the weapon will show through.. claymoar, javelin, bw, harrier, hurricane, talon, wraith, ppr, crutcholyte  and i just don't think the venom fits into this category. 

And I think we can agree on that point. I don't think anyone has said putting the Venom on a weapon's class is a good idea. Certain kits can be devastating with the Venom on them though, there are quite a few kits and classes that are good with it and some that are flat out godly with it. So IDK if I would even call it a niche weapon there. It's not a raw DPS weapon though.

[NuclearTech76]

Cirvante wrote...

Venom is great against guardians. Come at me scrubs.

Double tap at the feet and they're toast.

[Schiavoser]

I tried this weapon the day I unlocked it and then didn't use it again... until I read some of this thread. Now, it's the only weapon I want to use. It took some time to learn where to aim it. So much fun!

[Slayer299]

MofuggerX wrote...

MofuggerX wrote...

Oh boy here we go.

Slayer299 wrote...

What? It was an honest question, not a hate thread that "X weapons sucks" 

Read through those seven pages and you'll understand my reaction a little better.

After some of the comments I do see your reaction differently, but I do stand by my original statement though. Plus, I did get some good reply's on suggestions to using the Venom when I try it again.