At the end of DA2, Varric and Cassandra were discussing who caused all of this. Seeing the setup for DA:I know, got me thinking, who's fault is is that put the entire land into total war and catastrophe? Was is Anders? Hawke? The Mages or Templars? Who?
Who do you guys think really put Thedas into Chaos?
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 08:27
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A combination of everyone acting like selfish, homicidal morons.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 08:32
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The same one single person who is to blame for the dozens of conflicts in our world this very instant.
Or, maybe it's not one person. Though this is a game so I suppose they can get away with that.
Or, maybe it's not one person. Though this is a game so I suppose they can get away with that.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 08:34
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My best guess at this point is one of the ancient Magisters. Not necessarily Corypheus, although it could be.
I think you would have to be a very powerful magical being to think you could benefit from ripping the veil open. (Assuming this is a deliberate part of the Big Bad's plan, which seems to be the case based on what little information we have right now.)
I think you would have to be a very powerful magical being to think you could benefit from ripping the veil open. (Assuming this is a deliberate part of the Big Bad's plan, which seems to be the case based on what little information we have right now.)
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 08:37
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That's what Cassandra though.The Hierophant wrote...
Hawke?
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 08:38
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The La Li Lu Le Lo?!EntropicAngel wrote...
The same one single person who is to blame for the dozens of conflicts in our world this very instant.
Or, maybe it's not one person. Though this is a game so I suppose they can get away with that.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 08:49
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That's mostly for the Kirkwall incident, as i have a theory that Hawke instigated the events of Asunder, and the Veil tear so that he/she could resolve the conflicts in an effort to respark public interest in their name.KC_Prototype wrote...
That's what Cassandra thought.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 08:59
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I think Flemmeth in involved. In each game she appears helpful, but she also clearly has her own agenda. For example, why did she save Hawke? It certainly wasn't out of the goodness of her heart, I think she saved Hawke knowing that his involvement in Kirkwall would spark the Mage Templar fighting there.
She manipulates events just enough to create chaos and crisis.
She manipulates events just enough to create chaos and crisis.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 09:06
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The Hierophant wrote...
The La Li Lu Le Lo?!EntropicAngel wrote...
The same one single person who is to blame for the dozens of conflicts in our world this very instant.
Or, maybe it's not one person. Though this is a game so I suppose they can get away with that.
Lol, Metal Gear did it!
On topic: Seems more like it was a combination of things that did it. DAO hinted at the tension between the mages and templars, but it didn't touch very much on the subject until 2, and stir in Meredith's increased oppression of the mages with the influence of the idol. The uprise going on in Orlais. Anders destroying the Kirkwall Chantry and killing Grand Cleric Elthena kind of just brought all the rising tension to a head.
I forgot about the events in the DA2 DLC (mainly because I haven't played them yet), but yeah, Corpheyus and whatever the Wardens are up to definitely seems to have some relation to everything as well.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 09:29
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Thedas has been on the verge of explosion for centuries. There are so many possible players. I think Corypheus is possible but what if there are other ancient magisters still around? Flemeth I feel may not be the cause but she may have encouraged it. Also there is the Architect. He thought digging for an old god was smart. Who's to say tearing the veil doesn't sound like a good idea to him. The Templars have been getting exceedingly fearful of mages and demons, pretty much since its inception. Also we really have no idea whats going on in Tevinter. Maybe a group of magisters are trying to bring back some of the old ways.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 09:45
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The writers?
I'm ashamed to say that I really like the crackpot theory in the other thread that it's Divine Justinia, possibly in league with Tevinter and/or being a mage herself. She did such an amazing job of letting the mages rebel and getting the Templars to break away from the Chantry that it almost seemed intentional. It's certainly possible that she uses whatever "decimates the Chantry's leadership" as a way to fake her own death and get out of harm's way before everything goes to hell.
I'm ashamed to say that I really like the crackpot theory in the other thread that it's Divine Justinia, possibly in league with Tevinter and/or being a mage herself. She did such an amazing job of letting the mages rebel and getting the Templars to break away from the Chantry that it almost seemed intentional. It's certainly possible that she uses whatever "decimates the Chantry's leadership" as a way to fake her own death and get out of harm's way before everything goes to hell.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 09:55
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Decades and centuries of hubris - of greed, selfishness, fear. Just a domino effect of small and large events cascading into one another, and no one really jumping in early enough to shift the tides. So Veils are severed, prisons are breached, and what's let loose is too difficult to control and maintain.
There will probably be some big bad at the heart or it, maybe calling the shots now that chaos reigns, but I don't think there was one singular entity/individual as the cause.
There will probably be some big bad at the heart or it, maybe calling the shots now that chaos reigns, but I don't think there was one singular entity/individual as the cause.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 09:57
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Kazanth wrote...
I'm ashamed to say that I really like the crackpot theory in the other thread that it's Divine Justinia, possibly in league with Tevinter and/or being a mage herself. She did such an amazing job of letting the mages rebel and getting the Templars to break away from the Chantry that it almost seemed intentional. It's certainly possible that she uses whatever "decimates the Chantry's leadership" as a way to fake her own death and get out of harm's way before everything goes to hell.
Interesting.
I wouldn't have thought of that.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 10:27
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Flemeth and/or Morrigan. Or someone new.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 10:51
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some candidate:
Coripheus
The Architect
The red lirium idole
Telvinder mage
Duma ( Why the autel works if he is dead?)
The OGB. It is now a kid and by accident he opens a door in the veil and his mother try to paste the torn.
I always consider Flemmeth like the Grey witch of Lodoss. Someone trying to have a balance in the world and to continue her job go from body to body.
Coripheus
The Architect
The red lirium idole
Telvinder mage
Duma ( Why the autel works if he is dead?)
The OGB. It is now a kid and by accident he opens a door in the veil and his mother try to paste the torn.
I always consider Flemmeth like the Grey witch of Lodoss. Someone trying to have a balance in the world and to continue her job go from body to body.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 12:14
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KC_Prototype wrote...
That's what Cassandra though.The Hierophant wrote...
Hawke?
Yes and no. Cassandra though that someone (or a group I guess) was behind everything. Hawke was simply the person that looked the most guilty from all the stories about the events in Kirkwall (all Cassandra has for her investigation before capturing Varric). And look at it, Hawke was the leader of a group of people that included the person who stole the Tome of Kolun, the guy who blow up the Chantry, the Captain of the guard of the city and the main information broker of the region.
Leliana showed up investigating an mage uprising that might be caused by a 3rd unknown party in Act3 when you have the Exiled Prince DLCs as well. The Chantry was investigating "something", well before 9:40.
