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[NeonFlux117]

http://indoctrinatio...rumotion.co.uk/ Go here. This forum has everything on IT.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 15 août 2013 - 01:07 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Come on mang you just gotta wake up and smell the delusion!

Obviously the ending was all a brilliantly sinister move by Bioware!

*snerk*

[AlexMBrennan]

This forum has everything on IT.

You just have to register to read it, probably to keep the New World Order from learning about you.
(Seriously, who does that?)

[Scorpion1O1]

Hey Daybreak, Welcome, hope you enjoying the series. Also BSN isn't all bad.

IT, my view is Bioware didn't commit to the theory. I've played throught the entire trilogy 3-4 times and played each individual game 6-7 times. Read all the comics and one of the books all since ME1's initial release. I have concluded that Indoctrination is indeed a strong theme through out right to the ending scene with Anderson and Illusive Man.

Bioware wanted the end to be vague. Providing a “****/marry/kill” scenario with vague multilayers of interpretation. Indoctrination I believe to be one of the themes, control and sacrifice being others. The Extended Cut just made the decaion harder to deal with with more ambiguous evidence.

Facts are Bioware wanted the end to spark conversation by keeping it abstract. Which is what happens sometime with abstract art. You look at it and may project your own personality. This is what they wanted it to be vague painted loosely with different themes.

Bottom line no one has a diffinitive argument, some are a bit of a stretch. But I just don't trust the Reapers and the Catalyst and Indoctrination is a reoccurring theme throughout the series and I don't think its absent in the end. It may drive you insane if you think about it too much.

[Cainhurst Crow]

To answer your question, the IT as about as valid as ben is for the zelda franchise, IE it's fake and made by people who had way too much time on their hands and a movie idea they could adapt for their beloved series.

But instead of a horror movie, most of them just watched inception and decided a trapped in a dream scenario was a cool idea.

[Hazegurl]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

It's their forum, therefore you need to follow their rules. It's really quite simple and not particularly sad that we can't discuss real world politics, or off topic material, or indeed IT.

What I mean is, the reason IT is such a delicate topic and therefore can't be discussed (still wondering when this thread will be locked lol) is because so any posters have a major bug up their rear end about it. I believe there was a time when IT could be discussed here. But people couldn't stop foaming at the mouth whenever the topic came up. It's the same reason we can't have character or romance forums.

[Hazegurl]

Scorpion1O1 wrote...
Bottom line no one has a diffinitive argument, some are a bit of a stretch. But I just don't trust the Reapers and the Catalyst and Indoctrination is a reoccurring theme throughout the series and I don't think its absent in the end. It may drive you insane if you think about it too much.

I was actually disappointed that Shep wasn't indocrinated or there wasn't at least a true attempt at it. For the very reason you mentioned. Indoctrination was not only a reoccurring theme but one of the major themes of the series. Yet I'm playing a guy who has never encountered it on a personal level. Not a squadmate, romance partner, or him/herself. shep and his squad had the most reaper contact out of everyone.

[LiL Reapur]

Well Shepard is ridiculously strong willed anyway i can see him/her not being affected by the reapers
indoctrination tech he/she shows this in Mass effect 1 where Shepard experiences the Prothean beacon. But the illusive man did take control of Shepard for a bit during the end of ME3 making him/her shoot Anderson so it's little either or at this point.

[Wolfva2]

I'd've been disapointed if Shep HAD been indoctrinated. What's the point of having a larger then life hero if he's mentally weak enough to sucumb to brain washing, becoming a mindless slave of the enemy?

Now excuse me, I need to play a hand of solitaire....

Modifié par Wolfva2, 15 août 2013 - 04:15 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Seboist wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Actually read up on it before forming an opinion. Else you'll join the droolers and somehow think the literal endings make sense.

Strawman. The opinion those critical of "IT" really hold is that it's more likely that the endings are what they are because the game was rushed and/or made by fallible humans than that it is a grand conspiracy

just open your mind.  yeah it could have been for that reason, but what if something else is going on here?  And to think Bioware actually encouraged speculation with the ending.

I think we have had time enough to think. The endings were just the end result of inept writing and poor trilogy planning.

+1

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[Garant26]

New (early 2013) to the series.
As a new member of this forum too (I can relate myself well to the first post), I found the infos and links here usefull, they pointed me toward interesting reads and "documentaries" and I was able to understand more about it now, and to make my own opinion about it (not convinced at all by the theory, but thats not the point of my post.) I now get a bit more why is the topic delicate here too.

Thanks for the infos and the understanding toward us confused new member of this forum!

[Wolfva2]

Not to get off topic, but allw me to say I'm VERY happy to see the game is STILL getting new players, almost a year and a half after release. That's pretty good I think.

[Scorpion1O1]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Not to get off topic, but allw me to say I'm VERY happy to see the game is STILL getting new players, almost a year and a half after release. That's pretty good I think.

Agreed, I just wish I was confident in recommending the Trilogy pack. I would feel better recommending a diffinitive collection with all DLC. 

[Ravensword]

dorktainian wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Actually read up on it before forming an opinion. Else you'll join the droolers and somehow think the literal endings make sense.

Strawman. The opinion those critical of "IT" really hold is that it's more likely that the endings are what they are because the game was rushed and/or made by fallible humans than that it is a grand conspiracy

just open your mind.  yeah it could have been for that reason, but what if something else is going on here?  And to think Bioware actually encouraged speculation with the ending.

That's right. Open your mind to wishful thinking.

[Alien Number Six]

In a nutshell. Shepard is indoctrinated and the end of the game never happened.

[Hazegurl]

Wolfva2 wrote...

I'd've been disapointed if Shep HAD been indoctrinated. What's the point of having a larger then life hero if he's mentally weak enough to sucumb to brain washing, becoming a mindless slave of the enemy?

Now excuse me, I need to play a hand of solitaire....

I don't think he should be a mindless reaper slave. But I wouldn't have minded seeing some struggle going on before he overcomes it. But that's just me, I love my flawed hero types.

[dorktainian]

Alien Number Six wrote...

In a nutshell. Shepard is indoctrinated and the end of the game never happened.

   

you wanna check out CW theory.....it'll blow your mind.      

[Alien Number Six]

I prefer the AN6 theory.

[TacoKush]

 In my head canon Indoc theory is true!!!! the only way its to DESTROY!!!

[NeonFlux117]

dorktainian wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

In a nutshell. Shepard is indoctrinated and the end of the game never happened.

   

you wanna check out CW theory.....it'll blow your mind.      

speaking of, did you go to Eletania or Virmire in ME1 yet?...... Good times. 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 15 août 2013 - 08:26 .

[Scorpion1O1]

CW Theory? AN6 Theory? Can someone fill me in?

[TacoKush]

Scorpion1O1 wrote...

CW Theory? AN6 Theory? Can someone fill me in?

[NeonFlux117]

Scorpion1O1 wrote...

CW Theory? AN6 Theory? Can someone fill me in?

http://indoctrinatio...e-wisely-theory


before this gets locked. The CW theory is a investigative theory looking at the narrative of Mass Effect starting with ME3's ending and working backwards, looking for a time in which all shepards would have had an inherent moment of exactly the same canon moment. Then finding that moment and looking for convergence of events in which things start to get 'weird' or start becoming 'lore breaking', or fall into place but breaking suspension of disbelief and enter the realm of the impossible. The thing is,  that it happens way, way before the 'ending' of ME3. And it's got some legit arguments. With addition of the Leviathan DLC and what we know about the galaxies past, the reapers and shepard. It's very compelling. It's so complex, that it cannot be summed up. It takes some serious discourse.

And get this, the real kicker is............ It's fun. 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 15 août 2013 - 08:43 .

[dorktainian]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Scorpion1O1 wrote...

CW Theory? AN6 Theory? Can someone fill me in?

http://indoctrinatio...e-wisely-theory


before this gets locked. The CW theory is a investigative theory looking at the narrative of Mass Effect starting with ME3's ending and working backwards, looking for a time in which all shepards would have had an inherent moment of exactly the same canon moment. Then finding that moment and looking for convergence of events in which things start to get 'weird' or start becoming 'lore breaking', or fall into place but breaking suspension of disbelief and enter the realm of the impossible. The thing is,  that it happens way, way before the 'ending' of ME3. And it's got some legit arguments. With addition of the Leviathan DLC and what we know about the galaxies past, the reapers and shepard. It's very compelling. It's so complex, that it cannot be summed up. It takes some serious discourse.

And get this, the real kicker is............ It's fun. 

yep......down the rabbit hole we go.  

[Alien Number Six]

The Alien Number Six Theory states that the Reaper AI took the image of the boy from Shepards PTSD dreams hoping it would be conforting and non threatening. Shepard views the boy as a symbol of everyone Shepard has lost in the fight. The Reaper AI using a image from his/her mind that to Shepard is the very symbol of loss shows that organics and synthetics do not understand each other on a very deep level. The writers dropped the ball though. It would have been more clear if the image from the dreams was the person you lose on Virmire.

Modifié par Alien Number Six, 15 août 2013 - 11:15 .