After everyone blamed the tourians for the first contact war, I thought I would do this new one as well. This is about the krogan rebellions/ genophage. The major players were the Tourians, salarians and krogan. So who is to blame.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 05:47
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Krogan
They launched a great war of conquest in search of "lebensraum" (living space). The only way to stop them was to defeat them.
They launched a great war of conquest in search of "lebensraum" (living space). The only way to stop them was to defeat them.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 05:50
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Krogan. They brought their fate upon themselves by attacking the Council because they wouldn't give in to their absurd territorial demands. The uplift was a good move by the Salarians as the Rachni would have killed everyone but it obviously had some unintented consequences. The Turians used a weapon at their disposal to stop a Krogan conquest of the entire galaxy. An ugly mess, but had the Krogan been more reasonable I'm sure they would have been granted more worlds to ruin but really when you think about it, things worked out for the best because the galaxy was saved from the Rachni and the Krogan were put into check until needed again against the Reapers.
It's not like the genophage even came close to wiping them out. There were 2 billion of these 1000 year lifespan turtlesaurs on Tuchanka alone, how are they going to feed 10 billion after the cure? Essentially all the genophage did was reduce their fertility to a sustainable level, to 'cure' it would be foolish in the extreme and ME3 Wrex should know this.
It's not like the genophage even came close to wiping them out. There were 2 billion of these 1000 year lifespan turtlesaurs on Tuchanka alone, how are they going to feed 10 billion after the cure? Essentially all the genophage did was reduce their fertility to a sustainable level, to 'cure' it would be foolish in the extreme and ME3 Wrex should know this.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 05:52
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Wow, you mentioned Hitler in the first post - that has got to be a new record.
|'d say the salerians - they trained and armed the krogan without bothering to plan ahead for when they would defeat the rachni.
|'d say the salerians - they trained and armed the krogan without bothering to plan ahead for when they would defeat the rachni.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 05:53
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The Krogan started the war, but it's the Salarians who uplifted them in the first place.
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I just see the Krogan as a force of nature. Not necessarily hostile. Even if they were peaceful, they'd still be a reason for alarm. In real life, species who breed on that scale, like turtles, still get picked off minutes after birth (by sea birds and whatnot). A force of nature without a predator to keep it in check is kind of a pretty strong/dominant point evolution-wise. There's no one at "fault" other than Mother Nature herself.. the Krogan have all the natural tools to kick everyone's asses.
The Genophage isn't a political story to me, but one where the weaker races tried to subvert nature. And succeeded (unless you want to change it).
The Genophage isn't a political story to me, but one where the weaker races tried to subvert nature. And succeeded (unless you want to change it).
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 05:54
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eJukaga wrote...
Krogan. They brought their fate upon themselves by attacking the Council because they wouldn't give in to their absurd territorial demands. The uplift was a good move by the Salarians as the Rachni would have killed everyone but it obviously had some unintented consequences. The Turians used a weapon at their disposal to stop a Krogan conquest of the entire galaxy. An ugly mess, but had the Krogan been more reasonable I'm sure they would have been granted more worlds to ruin but really when you think about it, things worked out for the best because the galaxy was saved from the Rachni, the Krogan put into check until needed again against the Reapers.
That kinda sounds like we're just using them, and when we're done with them we throw them away.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 05:59
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The Salarians are to blame. That Dalatrass says it all! The Krogans were just the aftermath results. The Salarians didn't offer them a chance to modernize themselves naturally. So in the end, it's the Salarians fault for even doing it.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:00
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garrus and ashley squad wrote...
eJukaga wrote...
Krogan. They brought their fate upon themselves by attacking the Council because they wouldn't give in to their absurd territorial demands. The uplift was a good move by the Salarians as the Rachni would have killed everyone but it obviously had some unintented consequences. The Turians used a weapon at their disposal to stop a Krogan conquest of the entire galaxy. An ugly mess, but had the Krogan been more reasonable I'm sure they would have been granted more worlds to ruin but really when you think about it, things worked out for the best because the galaxy was saved from the Rachni, the Krogan put into check until needed again against the Reapers.
That kinda sounds like we're just using them, and when we're done with them we throw them away.
Works for me, they have no value outside of their combat skills.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:00
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Finn the Jakey wrote...
The Krogan started the war, but it's the Salarians who uplifted them in the first place.
Uplift is not a bad thing -- asari uplifted the elcor with no ill-effects.
Once the rachni were dealt with, the krogan had a chance to live peacefully with the galactic community.
They chose not to. Ergo, it's their fault.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:01
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The Salarians are to blame. That Dalatrass says it all! The Krogans were just the aftermath results. The Salarians didn't offer them a chance to modernize themselves naturally. So in the end, it's the Salarians fault for even doing it.
The alternative is that everyone, everywhere is bug food 1200 years ago. Who are the Reapers gonna reap then?
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:02
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The Rachni didn't try to communicate and attacked all other life mercilessly.
The Krogan, when encountered by the council races, were not cavemen. They had mastered atomic power. They were also given the conquered rachni planets along with several pristine, habitable worlds. The salarians even worked on repairing the atmosphere of Tuchanka. But there was always "just one more planet" needed. I mean, what could the council races have done differently?
The Krogan, when encountered by the council races, were not cavemen. They had mastered atomic power. They were also given the conquered rachni planets along with several pristine, habitable worlds. The salarians even worked on repairing the atmosphere of Tuchanka. But there was always "just one more planet" needed. I mean, what could the council races have done differently?
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:02
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Id say its split blame between the salarians and the krogan.
Without the krogan being uplifted the Rachni would have slaugthered everything but the krogan themselves where not ready for the conseqeuences after the war which is displayed by Krogan rebellions that followed. If the krogan had been given the chance to develop on their own chances are things would have turned out more peaceful overall.
Without the krogan being uplifted the Rachni would have slaugthered everything but the krogan themselves where not ready for the conseqeuences after the war which is displayed by Krogan rebellions that followed. If the krogan had been given the chance to develop on their own chances are things would have turned out more peaceful overall.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:03
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I am morally inspired enough by this thread to do a Wrex-betrayal genophage arc, which I have never done before. Now the question is, start a new ME1 game or just edit one of my existing ME2 saves for import.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:03
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Barquiel wrote...
The Rachni didn't try to communicate and attacked all other life mercilessly.
The Krogan, when encountered by the council races, were not cavemen. They had mastered atomic power. They were also given the conquered rachni planets along with several pristine, habitable worlds. The salarians even worked on repairing the atmosphere of Tuchanka. But there was always "just one more planet" needed. I mean, what could the council races have done differently?
They could have done nothing differently. I think the Genophage is a triumph of engineering. Questionable, but not so questionable as outright genocide. Struck a nice balance. If nature was allowed to take it's course, everyone could get stomped.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:05
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johnnythao89 wrote...
The Salarians are to blame. That Dalatrass says it all! The Krogans were just the aftermath results. The Salarians didn't offer them a chance to modernize themselves naturally. So in the end, it's the Salarians fault for even doing it.
Case and point that is exactly what happened and the krogan where forced into Galaxy when they weren't ready....
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:07
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I guess you could blame it on Leviathan or whoever uplifted the rachni then. In a way, the natural course of evolution stopped playing a part long ago. It's been a war of engineering ever since. Everyone's trying to play god. I just think the Salarians came up with a balanced solution at playing god.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:13
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I didn't say uplifting was necessarily a bad thing, but unfortunately, it was the salarians, not the asari, who uplifited them to be little more than weapons and cannon fodder. They should have thought about how this violent, unpredictable race who have been bred for nothing but war would fit into galactic society.HYR 2.0 wrote...
Finn the Jakey wrote...
The Krogan started the war, but it's the Salarians who uplifted them in the first place.
Uplift is not a bad thing -- asari uplifted the elcor with no ill-effects.
Once the rachni were dealt with, the krogan had a chance to live peacefully with the galactic community.
They chose not to. Ergo, it's their fault.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:19
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
Finn the Jakey wrote...
The Krogan started the war, but it's the Salarians who uplifted them in the first place.
Uplift is not a bad thing -- asari uplifted the elcor with no ill-effects.
Once the rachni were dealt with, the krogan had a chance to live peacefully with the galactic community.
They chose not to. Ergo, it's their fault.
Imagine an Elcor rebellion. "With indignation, we will bathe in a pool of your entrails."
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:27
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It depends though - e.g. regardless of your opinion on gun control, we'll probably agree that handing a child a loaded gun is a bad idea. If done irresponsibly (such as by failing to consider what the krogan are going to do with their massive military strength and numbers once the bugs are dead) then it becomes problematic.Uplift is not a bad thing -- asari uplifted the elcor with no ill-effects.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:31
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It's the Salarians' fault for uplifting the Krogan for the purpose of war only. What'd they expect when the war was over?
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 06:34
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The Krogan were to blame. They didn't have to forcefully colonize Asari worlds, for instance. I like the Krogan--feel the Salarians and Turians went too far and cured the genophage in my main paragon playthrough, but they needed all that to happen to teach them the error of their ways. I highly doubt that the Krogan would ever pull something like that again.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 07:23
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Jukaga wrote...
garrus and ashley squad wrote...
eJukaga wrote...
Krogan. They brought their fate upon themselves by attacking the Council because they wouldn't give in to their absurd territorial demands. The uplift was a good move by the Salarians as the Rachni would have killed everyone but it obviously had some unintented consequences. The Turians used a weapon at their disposal to stop a Krogan conquest of the entire galaxy. An ugly mess, but had the Krogan been more reasonable I'm sure they would have been granted more worlds to ruin but really when you think about it, things worked out for the best because the galaxy was saved from the Rachni, the Krogan put into check until needed again against the Reapers.
That kinda sounds like we're just using them, and when we're done with them we throw them away.
Works for me, they have no value outside of their combat skills.
I think the salarians could of handled the genophage differently and we have seen some krogan have more value than that.
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Posté 14 août 2013 - 07:45
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Mordin said that the Salarians were to blame...
I agree with him.
I agree with him.
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