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[Ausstig]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Do they need to?A mage can't either didn't stop Hawke.
Nothing more then what is gained from selectable classes,genders or any form of customization.
The Circles have collapsed.
The Templars have rebelled and are fighting an all out war with mages
The  veil is torn and demons are running amok and the Chantry can't  do anything about it thus has most likely lost a good deal of it's power and influence as a result of all this.
First don't be a dick second African Americans fought in The Revolutionary and Civil Wars and WW2 despite being heavily discriminated against during those times so yes in times of crisis people can put aside their prejudices if it means more arms.

1. Maybe, but still no Dawves and that would annoy the Dawf fans even more then what we got.

2-3 yes they have. But they are not the Chantry the Chantry is the local people. It has lost some of it's power, nut it is NOT gone.

4. Or it has gained a lot of followers, people will look for answers, the chantry can give them that. People will rally to the Chantry in troubled times it is natural. In Our Time Line, the Church gained a lot of power following the fall of Rome and the Void of power, if chaos is consuming the world people will rally to what ever they can. So the Chantry may in fact gain influence. 

5. Sorry to come off as a dick, but you don't know a lot about history do? If you do please say so. 

Also they fought as foot soldiers, in their own units. They did not lead the armies or the nations, the wolrd leaders did not bow to them. They can bring in more cannon fodder, not leaders that they would give their armies too. That is the key difference.

Mecha Elf wrote...

Should bioware have cut being a Mage out of DA2 then?

Perhaps, but you can fannon it, by either being to low key to notice and then to rich and powerful to arrest. 

You can be the under dog with out being an Elf, a human commoner/slum deweller would be the same. 

Why do fantsay series need to have multiple races? 

[Dutchess]

Mr.House wrote...

renjility wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I love playing as elves, but I also love beard on my character, so I'm in a strange predicament right now. Since beard could be the main reason for why I choose to play as human first. lol

Tsss, if you want to go for the beard, you should play a dwarf.

Hopefully this time our beards don't clip through the armor

Hey, dwarven beards are just that strong!

[Qyla]

I can't wait to play as an elf again! If the dev said "we're gonna do a female kossith LI because many people want it" I would say "What a waste of time" instead having race selection plays a key role in the game, and I loved to explore Ferelden using all the kind of possible Wardens. It was exciting to see how they would react to the same person with different race.

[Ziggeh]

Ausstig wrote...

Why do fantsay series need to have multiple races? 

Evident distinction.

The reason some people will say that humans are "bland" is because there is nothing denoted by being human. 

"Elf" and "Dwarf" are hooks - there is nothing in terms of character that is imposed by selecting them, but there is plenty implied. We bring a whole set of characteristics and assumptions around which to begin building your character, while with Humans we are beginning mostly from scratch. 

There is also value in variation. Being treated differently by the other characters impacts upon the narrative, and if you're asking what value there is in variation within the narrative, you're looking at the wrong genre.

[Ziggeh]

Ausstig wrote...

You don't know anything about history do you? 

If you did you would know that pride has gotten a lot of people killed needlessly. Such as in the battle of Tanenburg (sp?) on the ww1 eastern front, the two Russian Generals hated each other so they marched seperatly and got destroyed. Or the Battle that established the Tokugawa Shoganate, the enemies of Tokugawa where divided and fell, also in the lead up to the third Cursade the Kingdom of Jeruslam was destoryed due to foolish pride of it's leaders. I am sure there are other examples but these spring to mind first. 

Is this an accurate representation of historical events or is it fiction? 

Because I think you might find those two things follow a different set of rules.

[Ausstig]

Faerunner wrote...

Asstig, if you don't like non-human characters, then don't play one.

If a non-human Inquisitor doesn't make sense to you, then play a human.

If you won't make mental allowances for non-human characters the way you will for mages (which are pretty much the equivalent of people believed to practice witchcraft in the Middle Ages the same way the elves are the equivalent of Jews, and therefore shouldn't be trusted any more than elves or dwarves) then enjoy your human character.

Seems highly hypocritical to cry "unrealistic" for elven and dwarven characters when the same arguments against them can be applied to mages. (Underdogs, outcasts, distrusted by the Chantry and its followers, etc.) Heck, WOMEN were far from equal in the middle ages too, but I don't see you arguing against the historical accurasy or believability of female protagonists. It also seems... well, selfish to imply that just because you don't enjoy playing non-humans means there's no enjoyment to be had, and therefore it shouldn't be an option.

Why do fantasy games need to have multiple races? Why do any games need to have any features? Because people enjoy playing them. It's that simple.

They are different from people accused of being witches because they have power and every one can see it. The Mages are also a major part of the chaos. 

The devs have made some changes so that people can play as both genders otherwise people would complain, same with mages, I accept that. I do not  

They are watering down the game by adding these features and making the opening longer. Would DA:O have been a bad game if it started at Ostagar? I don't think so, I want to start at the 'ostagar' of DA:I which I assume the backgrounds were for, not an hour before hand. Why? Cause they could be using the time to do something better with the time/money, something in the middle-end part of the game. Maybe in DA:O we could have gone to one of the Teyrn's in order to fight Logain.

I want to get into the meat of the game the politicking and the fighting and gaining allies or what ever we are doing not mucking about in something that will (fun as it may be, I doubt it will have a big affect on the rest of the game, the DA:O didn't) not matter that much .

 

Ziggeh wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

You don't know anything about history do you? 

If you did you would know that pride has gotten a lot of people killed needlessly. Such as in the battle of Tanenburg (sp?) on the ww1 eastern front, the two Russian Generals hated each other so they marched seperatly and got destroyed. Or the Battle that established the Tokugawa Shoganate, the enemies of Tokugawa where divided and fell, also in the lead up to the third Cursade the Kingdom of Jeruslam was destoryed due to foolish pride of it's leaders. I am sure there are other examples but these spring to mind first. 

Is this an accurate representation of historical events or is it fiction? 

Because I think you might find those two things follow a different set of rules.

My point was people's pride can get them killed, DA is (or was) going for the gritty realism fantasy. So history can and should apply. 

Modifié par Ausstig, 15 août 2013 - 10:59 .

[WardenWade]

LupoCarlos wrote...

 http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/08/14/the-return-of-races-in-dragon-age-inquisition.aspx

It sounds like the dev team is seeing multiple race options as a storytelling opportunity rather than an aspect prohibitively expensive to implement.  I like this perspective!   It sounds like all starting points of class/race will see something special, and that models, armor, etc., for each playable race have been worked out...hopefully for inclusion in future DA games as well.

I'll be interested to see mage-class reactivity as well

Modifié par WardenWade, 15 août 2013 - 12:44 .

[Blazingkats]

This seriously made my day.So happy

Modifié par Loading_Ammo, 15 août 2013 - 11:06 .

[Iron Fist]

Ausstig wrote...
They are watering down the game by adding these features and making the opening longer. Would DA:O have been a bad game if it started at Ostagar? I don't think so, I want to start at the 'ostagar' of DA:I which I assume the backgrounds were for, not an hour before hand. Why? Cause they could be using the time to do something better with the time/money, something in the middle-end part of the game. Maybe in DA:O we could have gone to one of the Teyrn's in order to fight Logain.

BioWare got the money and the release delay specifically for these features, man. Otherwise, EA would have kept the money and the game would have been released later this year. They wouldn't have been able to do "something better with the time/money" because EA wouldn't have given it to them.

And you cannot possibly know the full extent of difference between the finished product (releasing in 2014) and what it would have been if it were released this year, because you haven't played it yet. You have absolutely no basis of comparison between "pre-mulitple races" DAI and "multiple races" DAI.

[Ziggeh]

Ausstig wrote...

My point was people's pride can get them killed, DA is (or was) going for the gritty realism fantasy. So history can and should apply. 

Right, but you're selectively applying historical analogies which is like saying man will never go to the moon because bottle rockets only reach a few hundred yards.

It is more likely someone from outside a socially defined hierarchical group will be allowed to lead anything, but there are examples. It's an extreme circumstance.

And being a fiction, almost by definition it is portraying an extreme circumstance. Leaving aside the fact that we know social structures operate differently in service of the narrative, such as Thedas's attitudes towards women.

You're saying it's unrealistic a dice roll will be a six, because it's more likely it won't be. Despite the fact that it's not really a dice roll at all, but a selection by the author, who, and this is where my analogy falls down, is actively more likely to select a 6.

Modifié par Ziggeh, 15 août 2013 - 11:14 .

[Ziggeh]

MevenSelas wrote...

BioWare got the money and the release delay specifically for these features, man. Otherwise, EA would have kept the money and the game would have been released later this year

Bingo.

Development budgets are not a zero sum game.

[Ausstig]

MevenSelas wrote...

Ausstig wrote...
They are watering down the game by adding these features and making the opening longer. Would DA:O have been a bad game if it started at Ostagar? I don't think so, I want to start at the 'ostagar' of DA:I which I assume the backgrounds were for, not an hour before hand. Why? Cause they could be using the time to do something better with the time/money, something in the middle-end part of the game. Maybe in DA:O we could have gone to one of the Teyrn's in order to fight Logain.

BioWare got the money and the release delay specifically for these features, man. Otherwise, EA would have kept the money and the game would have been released later this year. They wouldn't have been able to do "something better with the time/money" because EA wouldn't have given it to them.

And you cannot possibly know the full extent of difference between the finished product (releasing in 2014) and what it would have been if it were released this year, because you haven't played it yet. You have absolutely no basis of comparison between "pre-mulitple races" DAI and "multiple races" DAI.

True but then neither do you.

Besides after ME3 I will assume the worst until proven otherwise. Do not be taken in by their promises, trust what you see and assume the worst of what you hear. That is what ME3 taught me.

[Iron Fist]

Ausstig wrote...

True but then neither do you.

Besides after ME3 I will assume the worst until proven otherwise. Do not be taken in by their promises, trust what you see and assume the worst of what you hear. That is what ME3 taught me.

So...you would have assumed the worst, regardless? If they kept the human restriction in place, then you would be complaining about that instead?<_< 

I pity you.

[Ziggeh]

MevenSelas wrote...
So...you would have assumed the worst, regardless? If they kept the human restriction in place, then you would be complaining about that instead?<_< 

Standard operating procedure round these here parts.

Modifié par Ziggeh, 15 août 2013 - 11:29 .

[Iron Fist]

Ziggeh wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...
So...you would have assumed the worst, regardless? If they kept the human restriction in place, then you would be complaining about that instead?<_< 

Standard operating procedure round these here parts.

Oh, trust me, I know. I have another BSN account, started back in 2009.

I just pity him (Ausstig).

Modifié par MevenSelas, 15 août 2013 - 11:33 .

[Fredward]

Everyone please ignore the krogan. We all know how their kind are.

[Ausstig]

MevenSelas wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

True but then neither do you.

Besides after ME3 I will assume the worst until proven otherwise. Do not be taken in by their promises, trust what you see and assume the worst of what you hear. That is what ME3 taught me.

So...you would have assumed the worst, regardless? If they kept the human restriction in place, then you would be complaining about that instead?<_< 

I pity you.

No, I would not care as it would show more backbone then caving to the 'fans' like they did. I was fine with things how they were, I dislike pointless change, espically change driven by baseless complaints based upon nothing more then the name!?. 

Hello Pot

Spare your pity you will need it for your self.

You humans are all racist:P

Modifié par Ausstig, 15 août 2013 - 11:44 .

[Ziggeh]

Ausstig wrote...

No, I would not care as it would show more backbone then caving to the 'fans' like they did. 

An artistic compromise? In an entertainment medium? I'll get the pitchforks, you set fire to something.

[Iron Fist]

Ausstig wrote...

No, I would not care as it would show more backbone then caving to the 'fans' like they did. I was fine with things how they were, I dislike pointless change, espically change driven by baseless complaints based upon nothing more then the name!?. 

You didn't even know how things were. You only think you knew, based on what they said previously. You never saw what it was going to be.

And backbone? They've been pretty upfront about why they are doing this. THAT is backbone, to admit your mistakes and try to fix them. To be transparent and open.

And that's just a market economy, dude. If you don't like it, go to North Korea.

[Tarek]

i have a feeling DA:I will be the best bioware game to date

[TheRealJayDee]

Ausstig wrote...

They are watering down the game by adding these features

(Emphasis mine)
Alrighty...

Seriously though, I know what you mean, but I have to disagree. Should I play DA:I I'd likely play a human, and I would have liked to see what they'd planned with the different backgrounds, but I think they did the right thing with adding the race selection. Despite what you want from the game there are a hell of a lot people who are extremely happy having the option to play an elf or dwarf back.

[Fredward]

^ You have excellent taste in music.


And also, chill people. We're all entitled to our opinions.

[Solas]

'get ready for ELF'

yeahhh theres the BioWare I know and love
get ready thedas another elven hero will rise ~~~

[maliluka]

No matter what they do no one is going to be 100% happy and right now we are still getting bits and pieces of information and jumping to the all fabulous conclusion it's going to be this or that. They still have a year too add and delete stuff. Yes I admit I for one am happy to have race selection back. If I have to backfill the origins in my head do be it. It's a lot easier to do that than play as a human and try to convince myself that I am really an elf