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[Jedimaster88]

If the worst happens and Alistair gets executed, does the warden have afterwards any chance to comment anything about it to Anora, Loghain or anyone?

[Urshakk]

I think in a conversation at camp you can say something to Loghain like "You cost me Alistair" and I can't remember what he says back. Arl Eamon will have a little bit of dialogue at Redcliffe Castle after the Landsmeet (before you head upstairs to your room) that changes depending on what happened. I can't imagine he would take Alistair's death lightly ( I've never gone that route so I don't know exactly what he would say)

Other then that, nobody says anything really. Not Anora, not your companions or anyone else really. I thought for sure at least Wynne would have something to say but there's nothing. It was a bit jarring to me.

Modifié par Urshakk, 15 août 2013 - 12:05 .

[BevH]

Urshakk wrote...

I think in a conversation at camp you can say something to Loghain like "You cost me Alistair" and I can't remember what he says back. Arl Eamon will have a little bit of dialogue at Redcliffe Castle after the Landsmeet (before you head upstairs to your room) that changes depending on what happened. I can't imagine he would take Alistair's death lightly ( I've never gone that route so I don't know exactly what he would say)

Other then that, nobody says anything really. Not Anora, not your companions or anyone else really. I thought for sure at least Wynne would have something to say but there's nothing. It was a bit jarring to me.

Yes, Loghain will reply, "You can thank me later."

As for Eamon, I don't recall that he says anything about it, but I've only done this once.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I got that reply from Loghain by exiling Alistair. It's not unique to when he's killed, which I got the impression was what this thread was meant for.

[Jedimaster88]

Yeah I mean when he is actually dead.

Right after the landsmeet when Anora comes to talk to you, is there any dialogue option about Alistair like: "You just murdered my friend" or if female warden: "I loved him and you just killed him!!"?

[Urshakk]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

I got that reply from Loghain by exiling Alistair. It's not unique to when he's killed, which I got the impression was what this thread was meant for.

You're right, that conversation is there for exiling him too, but I thought it was still worth mentioning.

Jedimaster88 wrote...

Yeah I mean when he is actually dead.

Right after the landsmeet when Anora comes to talk to you, is there any dialogue option about Alistair like: "You just murdered my friend" or if female warden: "I loved him and you just killed him!!"?

Like I said (typed) previously: No, there is not. For Alistair's execution to be even brought up you have to decide to spare Loghain. Her dialogue will be about him surviving the joining and possibly about marriage if you went that route. Nobody really seems to comment / care / notice if he is killed except you, which I why I said it was jarring to me. I was almost certain the next time I spoke to Leliana or Wynne they were gonna bite my head off.

If you were romancing him, then wouldn't you want to help him at the Landsmeet? I don't see how a female Warden could even have that conversation unless they went full 360, sparing Loghain and letting Alistair get executed.  In which case, it would be safe to assume you don't care about him anymore and there is no conversation like that to be had.

[theskymoves]

The "You cost me Alistair" dialogue also appears when Alistair leaves the party to be King and marry Anora. /pedantry

[Jedimaster88]

Urshakk wrote...

If you were romancing him, then wouldn't you want to help him at the Landsmeet? I don't see how a female Warden could even have that conversation unless they went full 360, sparing Loghain and letting Alistair get executed.  In which case, it would be safe to assume you don't care about him anymore and there is no conversation like that to be had.

I once saw a youtube video where someone playing female warden and romancing Alistair, ALLOWED him to get executed and said to him something like "Im sorry it came to this".

That was pretty sad to watch. I felt like thats the most cruel thing you can do to him after everything they´ve been through together.

[BevH]

Jedimaster88 wrote...

Urshakk wrote...

If you were romancing him, then wouldn't you want to help him at the Landsmeet? I don't see how a female Warden could even have that conversation unless they went full 360, sparing Loghain and letting Alistair get executed.  In which case, it would be safe to assume you don't care about him anymore and there is no conversation like that to be had.

I once saw a youtube video where someone playing female warden and romancing Alistair, ALLOWED him to get executed and said to him something like "Im sorry it came to this".

That was pretty sad to watch. I felt like thats the most cruel thing you can do to him after everything they´ve been through together.

Yes, it is sad. However, I believe Duncan probably would've done the same. Think about Jory... and he was just a recruit that hadn't taken the joining yet. I think it would be the hardest thing the warden would have to do, especially if Alistair is romanced, but it would be viewed as necessary. If she goes that route... which I don't. Ever.  (Well, except for that one "for science" run )

[Urshakk]

Jedimaster88 wrote...

I once saw a youtube video where someone playing female warden and romancing Alistair, ALLOWED him to get executed and said to him something like "Im sorry it came to this".

That was pretty sad to watch. I felt like thats the most cruel thing you can do to him after everything they´ve been through together.

That is sad.

Modifié par Urshakk, 19 août 2013 - 09:19 .

[sylvanaerie]

If you speak to him in Redcliffe, after you talk to him and Riordan about the Archdemon moving the horde on Denerim, Eamon has some comment about being sorry things went that way with the Landsmeet/Alistair, but shuts down the convo quickly.  It seems to me to be a very weak attempt to come to terms with the events he set in motion by pushing the boy toward the throne he didn't even want. Frankly, the ONE time I didn't kill Loghain (a completely larky playthrough that allowed me to view all the stuff I previously missed), I allowed Alistair to leave alive. Anora says nothing, nor do Wynne, Leliana or any of the other companions, which I felt was utter crap. Bioware really dropped the ball with that one.  Loghain makes his snide comment, which sounds even worse if you killed Alistair, if you exile him as well. 

He has his own demons to deal with, knowing he abandoned Ferelden, the Wardens (and possibly his former love). In a way that fate may seem crueler, but I love the character, and there are some things I just can't bring myself to do in the game. Killing him is one. But I HAVE seen the dialogues in the toolset.

If you play with the Ser Gilmore mod, he WILL confront you for killing/allowing Anora to kill Alistair, but again, it's not something I've seen, I only know about it, and since its modded material there isn't even toolset dialogue for it in vanilla.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 16 août 2013 - 12:48 .