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[LinksOcarina]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Bioware: I'm truelly hoping you guys will give us an actual conclusion to the Inquistor's story without him or her just "disappearing."

I'm tired of not knowing what happened to the Warden or Hawke and the last thing I need is the Inquistor joining them. Just say he/she died in battle or something, I don't care. Just end their story somehow instead of saying, "Oh... well, they went away."

Why does that matter again? Why are you tired of that? 

I mean...if its a closure thing ok, I get that. But it doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things of the characters at the moment, and it is yet to be seen if it matters in the world of Thedas. I guess I don't understand why the heroes disappearing is such a big deal when you are playing a new character.

[cjones91]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Bioware: I'm truelly hoping you guys will give us an actual conclusion to the Inquistor's story without him or her just "disappearing."

I'm tired of not knowing what happened to the Warden or Hawke and the last thing I need is the Inquistor joining them. Just say he/she died in battle or something, I don't care. Just end their story somehow instead of saying, "Oh... well, they went away."

Why does that matter again? Why are you tired of that? 

I mean...if its a closure thing ok, I get that. But it doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things of the characters at the moment, and it is yet to be seen if it matters in the world of Thedas. I guess I don't understand why the heroes disappearing is such a big deal when you are playing a new character.

Because if people know the new PC will vanish like the rest then what's the point of seeing how their story unfolds?

[Realmzmaster]

cjones91 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Bioware: I'm truelly hoping you guys will give us an actual conclusion to the Inquistor's story without him or her just "disappearing."

I'm tired of not knowing what happened to the Warden or Hawke and the last thing I need is the Inquistor joining them. Just say he/she died in battle or something, I don't care. Just end their story somehow instead of saying, "Oh... well, they went away."

Why does that matter again? Why are you tired of that? 

I mean...if its a closure thing ok, I get that. But it doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things of the characters at the moment, and it is yet to be seen if it matters in the world of Thedas. I guess I don't understand why the heroes disappearing is such a big deal when you are playing a new character.

Because if people know the new PC will vanish like the rest then what's the point of seeing how their story unfolds?

All the more reason for Bioware to not answer that question and leave it to the gamer to find out the conclusion (or not) of the story. Part of the experience is the journey to get wherever there is. The story will unfold. The conclusion is suppose to be  the Inquistor finding the cause of the tear

[LinksOcarina]

cjones91 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Bioware: I'm truelly hoping you guys will give us an actual conclusion to the Inquistor's story without him or her just "disappearing."

I'm tired of not knowing what happened to the Warden or Hawke and the last thing I need is the Inquistor joining them. Just say he/she died in battle or something, I don't care. Just end their story somehow instead of saying, "Oh... well, they went away."

Why does that matter again? Why are you tired of that? 

I mean...if its a closure thing ok, I get that. But it doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things of the characters at the moment, and it is yet to be seen if it matters in the world of Thedas. I guess I don't understand why the heroes disappearing is such a big deal when you are playing a new character.

Because if people know the new PC will vanish like the rest then what's the point of seeing how their story unfolds?

I don't know, to enjoy the story presented to you?

[cjones91]

LinksOcarina wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Bioware: I'm truelly hoping you guys will give us an actual conclusion to the Inquistor's story without him or her just "disappearing."

I'm tired of not knowing what happened to the Warden or Hawke and the last thing I need is the Inquistor joining them. Just say he/she died in battle or something, I don't care. Just end their story somehow instead of saying, "Oh... well, they went away."

Why does that matter again? Why are you tired of that? 

I mean...if its a closure thing ok, I get that. But it doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things of the characters at the moment, and it is yet to be seen if it matters in the world of Thedas. I guess I don't understand why the heroes disappearing is such a big deal when you are playing a new character.

Because if people know the new PC will vanish like the rest then what's the point of seeing how their story unfolds?

I don't know, to enjoy the story presented to you?

There's that,but having the main character vanish everytime will cause people to care less about the story because they know their characters are going to be gone after it ends.

[LinksOcarina]

cjones91 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Bioware: I'm truelly hoping you guys will give us an actual conclusion to the Inquistor's story without him or her just "disappearing."

I'm tired of not knowing what happened to the Warden or Hawke and the last thing I need is the Inquistor joining them. Just say he/she died in battle or something, I don't care. Just end their story somehow instead of saying, "Oh... well, they went away."

Why does that matter again? Why are you tired of that? 

I mean...if its a closure thing ok, I get that. But it doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things of the characters at the moment, and it is yet to be seen if it matters in the world of Thedas. I guess I don't understand why the heroes disappearing is such a big deal when you are playing a new character.

Because if people know the new PC will vanish like the rest then what's the point of seeing how their story unfolds?

I don't know, to enjoy the story presented to you?

There's that,but having the main character vanish everytime will cause people to care less about the story because they know their characters are going to be gone after it ends.

When you play the main character and shape the context of the story, I would say that the journey is more exhilerating than the destination, imo.

That is me though. Like I said I understand why people pine for such things. I just don't see it for myself I guess. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 26 août 2013 - 02:56 .

[Obrusnine]

I didn't really read a lot of this... but personally I just think that a cameo from both Hawke and the Warden (based on our face-data and decision making) would be really cool.

Also some more explanation of where the characters were between the ending of DAO and the ending of DAII would be great. For that matter, some more insight onto what my Warden was doing between the ending of DAO and the beginning of Awakening would be great too.

I don't think it's right to spend dozens of hours with a character and then have them disappear into an abyss. I just want my happy ending there. Then again, I could always go with Varric's option.

"If you don't tell me... I'll just make it up."

Then again, Leliana's insinuation that Hawke and the Warden's disappearance wasn't a coincidence is really interesting. I also don't think that she's just being ignorant like some people think. Why would the writers make her say something like that if they didn't intend to do anything with it?

So at the core of everything, yes, I agree that characters shouldn't just disappear with minimal explanation into where they went and what they're doing. At least say something that can close out the characters storyline while leaving them open for involvement later instead of just messing around with that... for instance, I would be fine believing my Warden was still out travelling with Leliana considering I romanced her, but instead she's suddenly with the Chantry Seekers with no explanation as to why.

Modifié par Obrusnine, 26 août 2013 - 02:59 .

[Paul E Dangerously]

The problem with anything involving the Warden will always be the Ultimate Sacrifice ending. Just like the Old God Baby, it's hard to make something a large focus (much less a main character, like the Warden would be) when there are some players who have taken routes that don't allow for it and -will- complain up a storm.

[Obrusnine]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

The problem with anything involving the Warden will always be the Ultimate Sacrifice ending. Just like the Old God Baby, it's hard to make something a large focus (much less a main character, like the Warden would be) when there are some players who have taken routes that don't allow for it and -will- complain up a storm.

Well in the ultimate sacrifice ending, obviously the Warden wouldn't show up. There's no need for the Warden or Hawke to be major characters (as long as the reasoning behind their absense from a majority of the story is reasonable, like take for instance a Mage Hawke that romanced Anders... if they did that then they should be out there fighting in the war alongside Anders like you promise at the end of DAII. if so then there's room for a great cameo and no need for anything further, just as long as they show up!).

I just want the hanging character threads surrounding the Warden and Hawke to be resolved. And maybe even get a bit of subtle decision making in there. Like indirectly asking me which ending I would prefer and then seeing it play out, which I think would be great. 

Now that I think about it, wouldn't ME3's ending have been great if the player was indirectly asked whether they would like a happy or tragic ending? That way both types get what they want, and nobody has to get disappointed! 

Ah, just a thought, haha

[TheKomandorShepard]

Obrusnine wrote...

I didn't really read a lot of this... but personally I just think that a cameo from both Hawke and the Warden (based on our face-data and decision making) would be really cool.

Also some more explanation of where the characters were between the ending of DAO and the ending of DAII would be great. For that matter, some more insight onto what my Warden was doing between the ending of DAO and the beginning of Awakening would be great too.

I don't think it's right to spend dozens of hours with a character and then have them disappear into an abyss. I just want my happy ending there. Then again, I could always go with Varric's option.

"If you don't tell me... I'll just make it up."

Then again, Leliana's insinuation that Hawke and the Warden's disappearance wasn't a coincidence is really interesting. I also don't think that she's just being ignorant like some people think. Why would the writers make her say something like that if they didn't intend to do anything with it?

So at the core of everything, yes, I agree that characters shouldn't just disappear with minimal explanation into where they went and what they're doing. At least say something that can close out the characters storyline while leaving them open for involvement later instead of just messing around with that... for instance, I would be fine believing my Warden was still out travelling with Leliana considering I romanced her, but instead she's suddenly with the Chantry Seekers with no explanation as to why.

This isn't so easy many decisions could have many reasons why you choose that one player could take that same decision but for various reasons one could kill architect because is "kill all darkspawn" other because don't think that architect is good shepherd for darkspawn and other simply want revenge.

Now question where do you think that your warden was after da:o problem is that your warden always becomes warden commander even if you cleary don't have intrest in being one after awakening i asumed that my warden leave wardens and epilogue was about traveling with leliana (what was only rumor) if they bring him back that will end in that same way and they will make him warden-commander no matter what in time da 2.

I would be glad if they give me epilogue card but this time real one for my warden based on choices that we could made after killing archdemon.

Well that could be just we can't let him be in game because they would be protagonists considering their power and one-man army skills and that would be unbelievable that they don't show up when the world is falling apart so we put them into secret mission.Leliana is very naive person and at least with some mental problems especially that you can lie her with "I didn't sleep with morrigan". 

[Obrusnine]

Very interesting thoughts, although there were some things I didn't quite understand and that really ended up making me confused, haha

[TheKomandorShepard]

Obrusnine wrote...

Very interesting thoughts, although there were some things I didn't quite understand and that really ended up making me confused, haha

Well thats me sometimes even i wonder what the hell i wrote. 

I can explain or at least try just tell me what you don't understand.

[Versus Omnibus]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Bioware: I'm truelly hoping you guys will give us an actual conclusion to the Inquistor's story without him or her just "disappearing."

I'm tired of not knowing what happened to the Warden or Hawke and the last thing I need is the Inquistor joining them. Just say he/she died in battle or something, I don't care. Just end their story somehow instead of saying, "Oh... well, they went away."

Why does that matter again? Why are you tired of that? 

It's a closure thing. We know the epilogues from Origins are no longer valid, so I want to know what happened to Hawke and the Warden after their stories were finished. I'm not looking to play them again; just to see what they have been up to.

[LinksOcarina]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Bioware: I'm truelly hoping you guys will give us an actual conclusion to the Inquistor's story without him or her just "disappearing."

I'm tired of not knowing what happened to the Warden or Hawke and the last thing I need is the Inquistor joining them. Just say he/she died in battle or something, I don't care. Just end their story somehow instead of saying, "Oh... well, they went away."

Why does that matter again? Why are you tired of that? 

It's a closure thing. We know the epilogues from Origins are no longer valid, so I want to know what happened to Hawke and the Warden after their stories were finished. I'm not looking to play them again; just to see what they have been up to.

Anything we see or hear from them will lead to disappointment, no matter what BioWare does. I think its best left to the imagination then to force closure that some may object to at this point. Hell, look at Mass Effect 3 as the example of doing just that for their/your character. 

[Maconbar]

I didn't mind that the warden disappeared. I am afraid that the warden (if the character survived Origins) and Hawke have gotten the Maric treatment.

[Eagle Pusuit]

It seems to me that it was intentionally left vague because:

1) of the various potential endings of both games.

2) because it figures into the plot of DAI, perhaps as a surprise twist of some sort.

DA2 was not the end of the "big picture" story arc, and Hawke and potentially the Warden could figure into the plot of DAI in a significant way. So it makes sense not to tip off the trajectories of those characters. It's not unusual to leave the fates of favorite characters twisting in the wind or unknown in between episodes of a serial. Consider Han Solo at the end of ESB.

[Spectre slayer]

What other famous hero vanished in the dragon age universe without a trace who also was suspected by the Qunari to have an involvement with a certain witch.

[Maconbar]

Spectre slayer wrote...

What other famous hero vanished in the dragon age universe without a trace who also was suspected by the Qunari to have an involvement with a certain witch.

does he have dragon blood?

[Spectre slayer]

Maconbar wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

What other famous hero vanished in the dragon age universe without a trace who also was suspected by the Qunari to have an involvement with a certain witch.

does he have dragon blood?

Yes

[draken-heart]

 
Really, you hate that Bioware makes THEIR heroes Dissapear AFTER we are done doing the job they set for the character?

People's expectations are way too high...

[cjones91]

draken-heart wrote...

 
Really, you hate that Bioware makes THEIR heroes Dissapear AFTER we are done doing the job they set for the character?

People's expectations are way too high...

It's not really their characters though...if they were then each DA PC would be preset and only have one personality.You can't just decide to hijack the hero when it's a RPG and people can create their own characters.

[draken-heart]

cjones91 wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

 
Really, you hate that Bioware makes THEIR heroes Dissapear AFTER we are done doing the job they set for the character?

People's expectations are way too high...

It's not really their characters though...if they were then each DA PC would be preset and only have one personality.You can't just decide to hijack the hero when it's a RPG and people can create their own characters.

They loan him/her to us, and when the story is over, that character goes back to Bioware. simple as that.

[cjones91]

draken-heart wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

 
Really, you hate that Bioware makes THEIR heroes Dissapear AFTER we are done doing the job they set for the character?

People's expectations are way too high...

It's not really their characters though...if they were then each DA PC would be preset and only have one personality.You can't just decide to hijack the hero when it's a RPG and people can create their own characters.

They loan him/her to us, and when the story is over, that character goes back to Bioware. simple as that.

I like to think of it as giving someone a blank book and telling them they can fill it with whatever they want.People tend to get pissed if you snatch that book away from them and overwrite it.

[draken-heart]

cjones91 wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

 
Really, you hate that Bioware makes THEIR heroes Dissapear AFTER we are done doing the job they set for the character?

People's expectations are way too high...

It's not really their characters though...if they were then each DA PC would be preset and only have one personality.You can't just decide to hijack the hero when it's a RPG and people can create their own characters.

They loan him/her to us, and when the story is over, that character goes back to Bioware. simple as that.

I like to think of it as giving someone a blank book and telling them they can fill it with whatever they want.People tend to get pissed if you snatch that book away from them and overwrite it.

After the Origins story and DLC are over, the Warden is no longer playable. Hawke is no longer Playable after DA 2 is over.

These two "disappeared" because Bioware wanted ot make way for the next hero, "our" next character. After the story is over, "our" character is no longer ours to do with as we please.

Think of it like writing a story and when you are done, put it away and someone else finds it publishes it. Are you really angry that the other person "stole" your story to be published, are are really just angry that you do not have a say in what that person did because you put it up to never deal with it again, and they found it and decided to do something with it?

[cjones91]

draken-heart wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

 
Really, you hate that Bioware makes THEIR heroes Dissapear AFTER we are done doing the job they set for the character?

People's expectations are way too high...

It's not really their characters though...if they were then each DA PC would be preset and only have one personality.You can't just decide to hijack the hero when it's a RPG and people can create their own characters.

They loan him/her to us, and when the story is over, that character goes back to Bioware. simple as that.

I like to think of it as giving someone a blank book and telling them they can fill it with whatever they want.People tend to get pissed if you snatch that book away from them and overwrite it.

After the Origins story and DLC are over, the Warden is no longer playable. Hawke is no longer Playable after DA 2 is over.

These two "disappeared" because Bioware wanted ot make way for the next hero, "our" next character. After the story is over, "our" character is no longer ours to do with as we please.

Think of it like writing a story and when you are done, put it away and someone else finds it publishes it. Are you really angry that the other person "stole" your story to be published, are are really just angry that you do not have a say in what that person did because you put it up to never deal with it again, and they found it and decided to do something with it?

If that was me and I did'nt have no say whatsover on how my old stories were published and the person did so without my permission then I would be angry.To be honest I just want to know what happened to my Hawke and Wardens,I don't care if they come back or not I just want to know what happened to them.