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[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...


True, but still better than what the Alliance or Cerberus did.

Cerberus brought back Shepard, fought the Collectors, found a way to control the Reapers, and was one step ahead of the Alliance at every turn.

[Steelcan]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

It would be more over the history they would have to get over. Having the illusive man take orders when he will go to the most extreme to accomplish his goals. I just don't see it happening.

Who says he would take orders, he works with the Alliance, not for.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I'll just repost.

There are very clear signs of the Alliance making significant preperations throughout ME 2, particularly if you read the Cerberus Daily News. Building ships, training soldiers. That's nowhere remotely close to 'nothing.' It's just not the magic win button you seem to be looking for.

Obviously, we're not going to have entire missions focused on 'stabilizing supply lines.' Because that's boring.

Sounds like the usual day in the life of the military, Reapers or no. I'm not seeing any preparation at all.

So, nothing it is.

I'm not asking for an 'I win' button David. You seem to be the only one saying anything about that. 

I'm asking for the alliance to actually acknowledge the threat and do a bit more than shill for the Council and sweep me under the rug while using my image as a recruiting tool for ideals I don't believe in any more.

[garrus and ashley squad]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The Alliance doesn't have the CB. And even if a miracle solution from the CB isn't a DEM, it's still a miracle solution. It's still mediocre writing at best.

You at last understand ME.

Cerberus could cut a deal with the Alliance.  They will work with them in exchange for..... *insert Cerberus arc of your choosing*

I don't think they would work with cerberus for the simple fact of not trusting them and a betrayal would more than likely happen at some point. Which is why it would be hard to set up any alliance with them. I as well would think cerberus would be up to something or have their own agenda in plan. Also I can see plenty of disagreements that lead to friction and eventually a war between the 2.

If Cerberus wasn't indoctrinated, why would I have to worry about a betrayal? I'd be more worried about some alliance goon getting overzealous with his "we can't do that, it's inhumane/evil!" 

It's not an ulterior agenda if I'm working towards it.

Their goals have been viewed as to extreme which would make some friction occur. Eventually either a betrayal would happen or them not lasting very long to get anything accomplished. I can't see the illusive man backing off or taking orders from anyone, especially with how far he is willing to go.

I know, that's why I want him in charge over Anderson or Hackett. TIM will doubtless be... unwilling to take orders, but my Shepard is willing to work with him on his agenda to a level where Shepard has TIM do certain actions while Shepard gets the resources. 

IMO, the alliance's job at this point would be to distract the Reapers. Not mindlessly throw themselves at them but to make sure the Reapers are occupied.

I liked Anderson in charge. He seemed more willing to do more than anyone else. That and it seemed like he would step aside for my Shepard. So I could see him doing the best. As for Hackett, meh he was ok for the 3rd game. He pissed me off in the 1st game.

[Steelcan]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

I liked Anderson in charge. He seemed more willing to do more than anyone else. That and it seemed like he would step aside for my Shepard. So I could see him doing the best. As for Hackett, meh he was ok for the 3rd game. He pissed me off in the 1st game.

In charge?  He is wasting his time on Earth.

[garrus and ashley squad]

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

It would be more over the history they would have to get over. Having the illusive man take orders when he will go to the most extreme to accomplish his goals. I just don't see it happening.

Who says he would take orders, he works with the Alliance, not for.

Someone would have to take charge of the situation. The alliance wouldn't hand it over to him. So he would have to take orders for them to work together. He wouldn't be in a spectre type role.

[garrus and ashley squad]

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

I liked Anderson in charge. He seemed more willing to do more than anyone else. That and it seemed like he would step aside for my Shepard. So I could see him doing the best. As for Hackett, meh he was ok for the 3rd game. He pissed me off in the 1st game.

In charge?  He is wasting his time on Earth.

Sorry I meant I would of liked it if he was in charge.

[Steelcan]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

It would be more over the history they would have to get over. Having the illusive man take orders when he will go to the most extreme to accomplish his goals. I just don't see it happening.

Who says he would take orders, he works with the Alliance, not for.

Someone would have to take charge of the situation. The alliance wouldn't hand it over to him. So he would have to take orders for them to work together. He wouldn't be in a spectre type role.

Why not?  You can work with someone and not be working for them.  He does his thing, shares intelligence and research with the Alliance, who in turn do more actual Reaper fighting.

[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sounds like the usual day in the life of the military, Reapers or no. I'm not seeing any preparation at all.

So, nothing it is.

I'm not asking for an 'I win' button David. You seem to be the only one saying anything about that. 

I'm asking for the alliance to actually acknowledge the threat and do a bit more than shill for the Council and sweep me under the rug while using my image as a recruiting tool for ideals I don't believe in any more.

Acknowledge it on what evidence? What evidence aside from a big ship attacking the Citadel?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

It would be more over the history they would have to get over. Having the illusive man take orders when he will go to the most extreme to accomplish his goals. I just don't see it happening.

Who says he would take orders, he works with the Alliance, not for.

Someone would have to take charge of the situation. The alliance wouldn't hand it over to him. So he would have to take orders for them to work together. He wouldn't be in a spectre type role.

Well my Shepard, who is a Spectre, would be telling them to hand over power to TIM. Who I'd actually want in charge is Miranda. TIM would get Cerberus resources and be the visionary while Miranda would actually take care of the execution.

Meanwhile Hackett, Anderson, and whoever else gets the honor of fighting and dying to keep the Reapers from me.

And meanwhile, I'll be off building my alliances with the galaxy.

[David7204]

Necanor wrote...

 Earth was caught completely off-guard. They could at least have fought like Illium, by destroying Reaper troop transporters and turning the cities into urban warzones.

Okay? Is this supposed to be indicative of something? Some areas fare better in war than others. That's simple and hard reality. Illium is a colony of biotics and on the edge of the Terminus so very likely more prepared for attack anyway. Not to mention the technology such a colony would have that Earth doesn't.

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2013 - 06:29 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sounds like the usual day in the life of the military, Reapers or no. I'm not seeing any preparation at all.

So, nothing it is.

I'm not asking for an 'I win' button David. You seem to be the only one saying anything about that. 

I'm asking for the alliance to actually acknowledge the threat and do a bit more than shill for the Council and sweep me under the rug while using my image as a recruiting tool for ideals I don't believe in any more.

Acknowledge it on what evidence? What evidence aside from a big ship attacking the Citadel?

The technology on said ship should be a red flag.

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...


True, but still better than what the Alliance or Cerberus did.

Cerberus brought back Shepard, fought the Collectors, found a way to control the Reapers, and was one step ahead of the Alliance at every turn.

You're talking about ME2 Cerberus. ME2 Cerb =/= ME3 Cerb

The method of controlling the Reapers is ultimately futile anyway.

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

 Earth was caught completely off-guard. They could at least have fought like Illium, by destroying Reaper troop transporters and turning the cities into urban warzones.

Okay? Is this supposed to be indicative of something? Some areas fare better in war than others. That's simple and hard reality.

Illium prepared for the war, Earth did not at all.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...


True, but still better than what the Alliance or Cerberus did.

Cerberus brought back Shepard, fought the Collectors, found a way to control the Reapers, and was one step ahead of the Alliance at every turn.

You're talking about ME2 Cerberus. ME2 Cerb =/= ME3 Cerb

The method of controlling the Reapers is ultimately futile anyway.

I was talking about both actually.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sounds like the usual day in the life of the military, Reapers or no. I'm not seeing any preparation at all.

So, nothing it is.

I'm not asking for an 'I win' button David. You seem to be the only one saying anything about that. 

I'm asking for the alliance to actually acknowledge the threat and do a bit more than shill for the Council and sweep me under the rug while using my image as a recruiting tool for ideals I don't believe in any more.

Acknowledge it on what evidence? What evidence aside from a big ship attacking the Citadel?

The big ship that attacked the Citadel that clearly isn't of Geth origins. In fact, I thought everyone knew it wasn't of Geth origins at the end of the first game. Seemed like everyone just panicked at the idea and hit a massive state of denial. 

Why did they renege on their acknowledgement?

[garrus and ashley squad]

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

It would be more over the history they would have to get over. Having the illusive man take orders when he will go to the most extreme to accomplish his goals. I just don't see it happening.

Who says he would take orders, he works with the Alliance, not for.

Someone would have to take charge of the situation. The alliance wouldn't hand it over to him. So he would have to take orders for them to work together. He wouldn't be in a spectre type role.

Why not?  You can work with someone and not be working for them.  He does his thing, shares intelligence and research with the Alliance, who in turn do more actual Reaper fighting.

I don't think he is just going to hand over information to the alliance out of the goodness of his heart. He usually does things to benefit Cerberus. Also what if his research goes to far. Remember sanctuary, the alliance wouldn't sign off on some of the things his research would do.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

 Earth was caught completely off-guard. They could at least have fought like Illium, by destroying Reaper troop transporters and turning the cities into urban warzones.

Okay? Is this supposed to be indicative of something? Some areas fare better in war than others. That's simple and hard reality.

Illium prepared for the war, Earth did not at all.

ummmmm no. 

[David7204]

Steelcan wrote...

The technology on said ship should be a red flag.

A red flag, sure.

Worthy of investigation, sure. And as we can see from the Arrival and Aurora projects, the Alliance did invesitgate.

Proof to justify the colossal amount of resources needed to prepare for an invasion on the scale of the Reapers? Not even remotely close.

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2013 - 06:31 .

[Steelcan]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

I don't think he is just going to hand over information to the alliance out of the goodness of his heart. He usually does things to benefit Cerberus. Also what if his research goes to far. Remember sanctuary, the alliance wouldn't sign off on some of the things his research would do.

Who says they would know all the details, and again *insert Cerberus arc*

[wolfhowwl]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sounds like the usual day in the life of the military, Reapers or no. I'm not seeing any preparation at all.

So, nothing it is.

I'm not asking for an 'I win' button David. You seem to be the only one saying anything about that. 

I'm asking for the alliance to actually acknowledge the threat and do a bit more than shill for the Council and sweep me under the rug while using my image as a recruiting tool for ideals I don't believe in any more.

Acknowledge it on what evidence? What evidence aside from a big ship attacking the Citadel?

The big ship that attacked the Citadel that clearly isn't of Geth origins. In fact, I thought everyone knew it wasn't of Geth origins at the end of the first game. Seemed like everyone just panicked at the idea and hit a massive state of denial. 

Why did they renege on their acknowledgement?

Because Bioware.

It would hardly be the only retcon.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 16 août 2013 - 06:36 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...
True, but still better than what the Alliance or Cerberus did.

Cerberus brought back Shepard, fought the Collectors, found a way to control the Reapers, and was one step ahead of the Alliance at every turn.

You're talking about ME2 Cerberus. ME2 Cerb =/= ME3 Cerb

The method of controlling the Reapers is ultimately futile anyway.

I was talking about both actually.

ME3 Cerb was indoctrinated, they did far more harm than good. If they hadn't been, this war would've been over before it started.

[CynicalShep]

David7204 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The Alliance doesn't have the CB. And even if a miracle solution from the CB isn't a DEM, it's still a miracle solution. It's still mediocre writing at best.

In that case anything that beats the Reapers in ME3 would be a miracle solution, considering how they were portrayed in the first game. What should have those poor writers done for it not to be mediocre?

That's simply not true at all.

I should mention that whatever nonconventional solution I would propose would exist alongside a conventional victory only available for a 'perfect' or near perfect playthrough of all three games. Which obviously complicates things significantly.

Yeah, but a conventional victory would rubbish something that has been stated or implied several times throughout the series - that Protheans were superior and still lost. Besides, I don't see any way short of jury-rigging major planets and nuking the Reapers that are stupid enough to park there. The unconventional method would still be a miracle solution, just like the Crucible. 

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I can like something and still acknowledge that it is not exceptional writing.

Star Wars fans have been doing it for decades.

Guilty as charged

[MassivelyEffective0730]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

I liked Anderson in charge. He seemed more willing to do more than anyone else. That and it seemed like he would step aside for my Shepard. So I could see him doing the best. As for Hackett, meh he was ok for the 3rd game. He pissed me off in the 1st game.

In charge?  He is wasting his time on Earth.

Sorry I meant I would of liked it if he was in charge.

I told him to come along and help. He decided to stay on Earth for some reason.

Ultimately, I want my Shepard in charge.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The technology on said ship should be a red flag.

A red flag, sure.

Worthy of investigation, sure. And as we can see from the Arrival and Aurora projects, the Alliance did invesitgate.

Proof to justify the colossal amount of resources needed to prepare for an invasion on the scale of the Reapers? Not even remotely close.

Once again, both of those operations had issues.  One had virtually no oversight, the other was not taken seriously.