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[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The big ship that attacked the Citadel that clearly isn't of Geth origins. In fact, I thought everyone knew it wasn't of Geth origins at the end of the first game. Seemed like everyone just panicked at the idea and hit a massive state of denial. 

Why did they renege on their acknowledgement?

Because they never acknowledged it in the first place. They just weren't going to tell Shepard s/he was deluded after saving the Citadel.

[garrus and ashley squad]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

It would be more over the history they would have to get over. Having the illusive man take orders when he will go to the most extreme to accomplish his goals. I just don't see it happening.

Who says he would take orders, he works with the Alliance, not for.

Someone would have to take charge of the situation. The alliance wouldn't hand it over to him. So he would have to take orders for them to work together. He wouldn't be in a spectre type role.

Well my Shepard, who is a Spectre, would be telling them to hand over power to TIM. Who I'd actually want in charge is Miranda. TIM would get Cerberus resources and be the visionary while Miranda would actually take care of the execution.

Meanwhile Hackett, Anderson, and whoever else gets the honor of fighting and dying to keep the Reapers from me.

And meanwhile, I'll be off building my alliances with the galaxy.

You might have a better chance with Miranda. The alliance probably doesn't  listen to you if you bring him into it. Then again they don't listen to a lot of things.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...
True, but still better than what the Alliance or Cerberus did.

Cerberus brought back Shepard, fought the Collectors, found a way to control the Reapers, and was one step ahead of the Alliance at every turn.

You're talking about ME2 Cerberus. ME2 Cerb =/= ME3 Cerb

The method of controlling the Reapers is ultimately futile anyway.

I was talking about both actually.

ME3 Cerb was indoctrinated, they did far more harm than good. If they hadn't been, this war would've been over before it started.

True, but they still managed to find a way to beat the Reapers.

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Necanor wrote...
 Earth was caught completely off-guard. They could at least have fought like Illium, by destroying Reaper troop transporters and turning the cities into urban warzones.

Okay? Is this supposed to be indicative of something? Some areas fare better in war than others. That's simple and hard reality.

Illium prepared for the war, Earth did not at all.

ummmmm no. 

Yep, they hired thousand of mercs, pirates and privateers. When the Reapers hit, they were ordered to target troop transporters. Without sufficient ground forces, the fighting on Illium took far longer than the Reapers expected.

[Cainhurst Crow]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The Alliance doesn't have the CB. And even if a miracle solution from the CB isn't a DEM, it's still a miracle solution. It's still mediocre writing at best.

You at last understand ME.

Cerberus could cut a deal with the Alliance.  They will work with them in exchange for..... *insert Cerberus arc of your choosing*

I don't think they would work with cerberus for the simple fact of not trusting them and a betrayal would more than likely happen at some point. Which is why it would be hard to set up any alliance with them. I as well would think cerberus would be up to something or have their own agenda in plan. Also I can see plenty of disagreements that lead to friction and eventually a war between the 2.

If Cerberus wasn't indoctrinated, why would I have to worry about a betrayal? I'd be more worried about some alliance goon getting overzealous with his "we can't do that, it's inhumane/evil!" 

It's not an ulterior agenda if I'm working towards it.

 

They'd probably kill the enitre admiralty board and try to kill hackett, simply so that there would be no question of whose in charge. If they already killed one admiral, what would stop them doing it again? They weren't willing to work with the alliance when the collectors were attacking human colonies, or sharing their findings to give the alliance a chsnce to coordinate a defense, so I really doubt they'd truely cooperate.

But that is just my opinion. The option should exist either way, but I doubt it should be a good idea or thst cerberus will be on the level I  this temporary alliance, if that's what you're thinking.

[garrus and ashley squad]

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

I don't think he is just going to hand over information to the alliance out of the goodness of his heart. He usually does things to benefit Cerberus. Also what if his research goes to far. Remember sanctuary, the alliance wouldn't sign off on some of the things his research would do.

Who says they would know all the details, and again *insert Cerberus arc*

Which means they would have to trust cerberus to do things the right way or what they deem the right way. An organization they already don't trust.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

Yep, they hired thousand of mercs, pirates and privateers. When the Reapers hit, they were ordered to target troop transporters. Without sufficient ground forces, the fighting on Illium took far longer than the Reapers expected.

You do know that Illium got attacked long after the Earth....

[MassivelyEffective0730]

CynicalShep wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
I can like something and still acknowledge that it is not exceptional writing.

Star Wars fans have been doing it for decades.

Guilty as charged.

Ehhhh....

Yep....

Bantam era books... Episodes I and II... So many other things...

But it's just so awesome...

[David7204]

CynicalShep wrote...

Yeah, but a conventional victory would rubbish something that has been stated or implied several times throughout the series - that Protheans were superior and still lost. Besides, I don't see any way short of jury-rigging major planets and nuking the Reapers that are stupid enough to park there. The unconventional method would still be a miracle solution, just like the Crucible. 

1. No it wouldn't be. The current cycle has many advantages the Protheans did not.

2. That tactic is really stupid, and frankly, the fact that you'd even suggest it makes causes me to seriously doubt your capabilities of judging any kind of conventional victory.

3. No.

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2013 - 06:35 .

[Steelcan]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

I don't think he is just going to hand over information to the alliance out of the goodness of his heart. He usually does things to benefit Cerberus. Also what if his research goes to far. Remember sanctuary, the alliance wouldn't sign off on some of the things his research would do.

Who says they would know all the details, and again *insert Cerberus arc*

Which means they would have to trust cerberus to do things the right way or what they deem the right way. An organization they already don't trust.

They have to trust Cerberus to be fighting the Reapers.  They need to learn to deal with it.  Not all their friends can be white knights

[garrus and ashley squad]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

I liked Anderson in charge. He seemed more willing to do more than anyone else. That and it seemed like he would step aside for my Shepard. So I could see him doing the best. As for Hackett, meh he was ok for the 3rd game. He pissed me off in the 1st game.

In charge?  He is wasting his time on Earth.

Sorry I meant I would of liked it if he was in charge.

I told him to come along and help. He decided to stay on Earth for some reason.

Ultimately, I want my Shepard in charge.

I as well want my shepard in charge. If I had to choose I wouldn't mind anderson being in charge.

[David7204]

Here's the bottom line -

Any kind of miracle preparation would be crap writing. That's really the end of it.So all these suggestions are moot. And that doesn't even touch how ridiculous implausible they would be.

The Reapers have been extensively foreshadowed for two games as incredibly powerful. Anything less then the Reapers bulldozing the galaxy, at least at first, would be an utter cop out.

It makes no difference from a meta standpoint anyway. The Alliance has 50 dreadnoughts? 1000 Reapers are going to invade. The Alliance prepares and has 500 dreadnoughts? 10,000 Reapers are going to invade. The Alliance has 5 million dreadnoughts? 100 million Reapers. You get the idea.

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2013 - 06:39 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The Alliance doesn't have the CB. And even if a miracle solution from the CB isn't a DEM, it's still a miracle solution. It's still mediocre writing at best.

You at last understand ME.

Cerberus could cut a deal with the Alliance.  They will work with them in exchange for..... *insert Cerberus arc of your choosing*

I don't think they would work with cerberus for the simple fact of not trusting them and a betrayal would more than likely happen at some point. Which is why it would be hard to set up any alliance with them. I as well would think cerberus would be up to something or have their own agenda in plan. Also I can see plenty of disagreements that lead to friction and eventually a war between the 2.

If Cerberus wasn't indoctrinated, why would I have to worry about a betrayal? I'd be more worried about some alliance goon getting overzealous with his "we can't do that, it's inhumane/evil!" 

It's not an ulterior agenda if I'm working towards it.

 

They'd probably kill the enitre admiralty board and try to kill hackett, simply so that there would be no question of whose in charge. If they already killed one admiral, what would stop them doing it again? They weren't willing to work with the alliance when the collectors were attacking human colonies, or sharing their findings to give the alliance a chsnce to coordinate a defense, so I really doubt they'd truely cooperate.

But that is just my opinion. The option should exist either way, but I doubt it should be a good idea or thst cerberus will be on the level I  this temporary alliance, if that's what you're thinking.

I'd support killing the admiralty board if they got in the way of actually doing something. If they can't do their job, I'm not going to tolerate them. There is no question of who's in charge - my Shepard is in charge. TIM would support Shepard pretty much because Shepard would fundamentally be working towards Cerberus' agenda.

As for unwilling to work with the alliance, I remember it the other way around; It seemed like it was the alliance who was unwilling to help. TIM even states he's willing to work with them, but that relations would be difficult. 

The alliance made their choice. Fuck em'

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Here's the bottom line -

Any kind of miracle preparation would be crap writing. That's really the end of it.So all these suggestions are moot. And that doesn't even touch how ridiculous implausible they would be.

The Reapers have been extensively foreshadowed for two games as incredibly powerful. Anything less then the Reapers bulldozing the galaxy, at least at first, would be an utter cop out.

Making the Crucible staying hidden ridiculous

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Yep, they hired thousand of mercs, pirates and privateers. When the Reapers hit, they were ordered to target troop transporters. Without sufficient ground forces, the fighting on Illium took far longer than the Reapers expected.

You do know that Illium got attacked long after the Earth....

Eh, we never actually are told when Illium got attacked.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Yeah, but a conventional victory would rubbish something that has been stated or implied several times throughout the series - that Protheans were superior and still lost. Besides, I don't see any way short of jury-rigging major planets and nuking the Reapers that are stupid enough to park there. The unconventional method would still be a miracle solution, just like the Crucible. 

1. No it wouldn't be. The current cycle has many advantages the Protheans did not.

2. That tactic is really stupid, and frankly, the fact that you'd even suggest it makes causes me to seriously doubt your capabilities of judging any kind of conventional victory.

3. No.

Sounds like you're dismissing the idea because you don't like it. And being insulting. Feeling powerful?

[garrus and ashley squad]

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

I don't think he is just going to hand over information to the alliance out of the goodness of his heart. He usually does things to benefit Cerberus. Also what if his research goes to far. Remember sanctuary, the alliance wouldn't sign off on some of the things his research would do.

Who says they would know all the details, and again *insert Cerberus arc*

Which means they would have to trust cerberus to do things the right way or what they deem the right way. An organization they already don't trust.

They have to trust Cerberus to be fighting the Reapers.  They need to learn to deal with it.  Not all their friends can be white knights

It's more of doing what they deem right which is why that alliance would not work. both sides would have problems with it. One would be to extreme the other doesn't trust this organization because of it. 

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Yep, they hired thousand of mercs, pirates and privateers. When the Reapers hit, they were ordered to target troop transporters. Without sufficient ground forces, the fighting on Illium took far longer than the Reapers expected.

You do know that Illium got attacked long after the Earth....

Eh, we never actually are told when Illium got attacked.

Well seeing as how other asari worlds weren't attacked until later

[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sounds like you're dismissing the idea because you don't like it. And being insulting. Feeling powerful?

Actually, I'm dismissing it because it's a really stupid idea.

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2013 - 06:41 .

[Ravensword]

What I don't understand about the Reapers is why they didn't go straight for the Citadel and shut down all the relays in the galaxy, download all the information on the Citadel like star charts and census data and begin their extermination they way they always did in the past cycles.

[Ninja Stan]

Thread derailment removed. Stay on topic, please.

[Steelcan]

Ravensword wrote...

What I don't understand about the Reapers is why they didn't go straight for the Citadel and shut down all the relays in the galaxy, download all the information on the Citadel like star charts and census data and begin their extermination they way they always did in the past cycles.

'Cause that'd make ME1 pointless

[Cainhurst Crow]

The alliance also seemed to do a lot to prepare for the reapers before mass effect 3 and during the intro mission, its just thst their preparations weren't enough to counter the reapers and the bsd writting plauge. Its not like cerberus did a lot to prepare for the reapers outside of making a human husk hybrid, taking over omega and turning it into a death camp and resesrch facility, and making mass produced reaper implants. I'm on my phone right now but I can find some links later.

Also I remember the illusive man being none too happy when I destroyed the base, and more or less saying humanity could go **** itslef as long as cerberus was still around and thst I had no right to against his orders.

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Yep, they hired thousand of mercs, pirates and privateers. When the Reapers hit, they were ordered to target troop transporters. Without sufficient ground forces, the fighting on Illium took far longer than the Reapers expected.

You do know that Illium got attacked long after the Earth....

Eh, we never actually are told when Illium got attacked.

True. It doesn't change the fact however, that despite an overwhelming invasion force, the defending forces of Illium managed to keep a cool head and managed to do critical, precise damage at the beginning of the battle.

[CynicalShep]

David7204 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Yeah, but a conventional victory would rubbish something that has been stated or implied several times throughout the series - that Protheans were superior and still lost. Besides, I don't see any way short of jury-rigging major planets and nuking the Reapers that are stupid enough to park there. The unconventional method would still be a miracle solution, just like the Crucible. 

1. No it wouldn't be. The current cycle has many advantages the Protheans did not.

2. That tactic is really stupid, and frankly, the fact that you'd even suggest it makes causes me to seriously doubt your capabilities of judging any kind of conventional victory.

3. No.

1. Like what?
2. It is stupid, which is why I said that "I don't see any way". I like the idea of a conventional victory but I can't see it happening. That was an exaggeration, David.
3. Yes