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[o Ventus]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

David why haven't you played Dragon Age yet?

Notice that he never actually talks about Dragon Age, unless he's trashing it in comparison to ME.

[David7204]

Notice that you won't actually find a post of me trashing Dragon Age in comparison to ME. Seeing as none exist.

[FlamingBoy]

David7204 wrote...

It helps that they put no work into upgrading the graphics and mechanic and thus made a game that looks worse than the one released two years before it. 

Your right, instead they upgraded the complexity of the experience, they created a world where every one had some sort of stake in the "great game" between the NCR, House, and Legion. They put an absurd amount of effort to make the game as grounded as possible, every character had a role to play that made sense in the central conflict. It just had an amazing way of sucking you in.

My enjoyment of a game is not tied into the graphics, but the worlds the game creates, which is one of the reasons why I was attracted to mass effect 1 and 2 in the first place.

[Barquiel]

The alliance (or better: the council and operate as a spectre). Granted, my Shepard is also pissed off at them for their lack of support and unwillingness to believe in ME1/ME2. But, despite her frustration, she isn't against the Council and/or the Alliance.

She despises Cerberus and everything they stand for. Working for them in ME2 was also rather frustrating...

"It was a trap!"
"It was necessary."
*resentfully* "Okay..."

[o Ventus]

@David:

Oh, my mistake. It wasn't Dragon Age you were trashing, it was The Last of Us. Here. The unny part is, you're criticizing TLOU for something that ME also does.

As for DA, you have a tendency to go into the DA boards and just start talking about ME. Not in comparison to DA, nor in any relation to DA. Just ramblings about ME.

If memory serves (because I don't have a link to this), you have also criticized The Witcher for not being as popular as ME, unless that was someone else.

Modifié par o Ventus, 16 août 2013 - 08:53 .

[Ravensword]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wait what? You guys sided with those nutjobs?

I did one playthrough with each of the four options, actually.

But yeah, I found Legion and Yes-Man to be a lot more fun than House or NCR.

There are two kinds of people I don't trust in this world.

Burly dudes who wear skirts, and people who think it's antiquity.

The legion just combined those two things into 1 faction, I kill them on principle and as a mercy for anyone near them when theres a gust of wind.

Yes. Down w/ those skirt-wearing, Luddite, slavers.

[Fixers0]

 So, It's a choice between bad writing and...bad writing?

In related news, Cerberus aquiring Reaper tech in Mass Effect 3 in an outcome in which C-base was destroyed is indeed a retcon, as the narrative of Mass effect 2 managed to establish through dialogue with TIM, and squadmates that destroying the C-base lead to the loss of it's technology.

[Kataphrut94]

In Mass Effect 1, the Alliance was your pro-human faction that the Renegades leant towards. Supporting the Council was for the inclusive Paragon wimps and Cerberus wasn't even worth mentioning- just another stream of generic mad-scientists and mooks tied to one of the slightly more interesting sidequests. For them to explode the way they did -to the point of being completely unrecognisable between ME1 & 2 - and suck all the oxygen out of the other factions for contrived reasons is still baffling to me.

Mass Effect 3 feels like the writers realised how badly they'd screwed up by wasting ME2 on the Cerberus angle and had to hastily bring everything back in line with ME1. The narrative encourages cooperation between races, so the awful tolerance vs racism aspects of Paragon and Renegade were scaled back and the three factions are back the way they were in ME1. The Council sets you on track and gives you your overarching goals, the Alliance funds your work and gives you side-missions and general updates, and Cerberus is killing more humans than they save.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 16 août 2013 - 11:39 .

[RZIBARA]

Alliance.

Screw Cerberus, never liked them anyways

[Astartes Marine]

If I was able to take full control of the organization? Cerberus from ME2. I answer to no one and have a great many resources to call upon.

That could also swing the Alliance's way though as they have potentially greater resources but you have to answer to the politicians and public opinion...really limiting when you have a war to prepare for.


If the choice was just which one to be subservient to? Neither. The Alliance, especially it's leadership is hopelessly stupid and I'd trust the Illusive Man as much as I'd trust the Salarians not to meddle in other races' development.

[Steelcan]

*reads thread from where I left of* Ya that's about what I expected.

[Ledgend1221]

Ave, true to Caesar!

[Astartes Marine]

Ledgend1221 wrote...
Ave, true to Caesar!

Caesar was an idiot leading an army of illiterate and inadequate monkeys that anyone with half a brain could defeat.
The NCR had potential but is plagued with bureaucracy, corruption, greed and a wealth of poorly equipped soldies also with poor training.
House was a shallow husk of a man consumed with his obsession of ruling New Vegas.

Bah, New Vegas was destined for a change in management helped along by a robot with an impossibly happy face.

[Ledgend1221]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...
Ave, true to Caesar!

Caesar was an idiot leading an army of illiterate and inadequate monkeys that anyone with half a brain could defeat.
The NCR had potential but is plagued with bureaucracy, corruption, greed and a wealth of poorly equipped soldies also with poor training.
House was a shallow husk of a man consumed with his obsession of ruling New Vegas.

Bah, New Vegas was destined for a change in management helped along by a robot with an impossibly happy face.

Caesar is my second choice, better then a fool or a group of half-wits.
But me?
No gods, No kings, No masters.

[Karlone123]

I like Cerberus' style of armour and colour scheme, but for me to have a decent enough life, it would have to be the Alliance even though I dislike the Alliance as a Government.

Modifié par Karlone123, 16 août 2013 - 07:37 .

[DeathScepter]

Well Karlone, you would fit in with Cerberus a great deal. We have great deals on new employees.

Many of us in Cerberus don't like Alliance as a Government.

[Karlone123]

DeathScepter wrote...

Well Karlone, you would fit in with Cerberus a great deal. We have great deals on new employees.

Many of us in Cerberus don't like Alliance as a Government.

Will I need a reference on my CV?

Modifié par Karlone123, 16 août 2013 - 08:23 .

[Blade8971]

My preference would be ME2-Cerberus as at the time these guys were supposed to be the big wildcard for ME3 depending on how well you dealt with them.

[dez walker]

i would stick with the alliance, don't need no thresher maws being sent after me

[Han Shot First]

The Alliance.

Besides not caring much for either Cerberus' agenda or their modus operandi, they (as of ME2) are a small human extremist group with no more than a few thousand operatives at most and no real fleet to speak of.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 17 août 2013 - 01:27 .

[Made Nightwing]

Cerberus is a tiny group of well intentioned extremists. I doubt their overall competency and efficiency, as well as their motives. They claim to have slaughtered a colony and a marine unit on Akuze as a method of experimenting on Thresher Maws. Y'know, there are easier (and safer) ways to test military technology. They differ vastly from the STG and the Spectres, in that the STG and the Spectres are dedicated to preserving the peace. The Council has kept the peace for thousands of years. Thousands. Humanity has been around the galactic block for a couple of decades. We have no idea how things work, and we have no right to interfere. Not only did Cerberus inflict injury and damage on allies of humanity, they inflicted countless casualties on their own species. You can't rationalise the pain and suffering that Cerberus has inflicted. Not when they produced so little to show for it. Sure, they get one tortured and broken biotic out of a hundred slaughtered children. Sure, they get humanity a few tech upgrades and some combat specs at the expense of dozens of dead aliens. Big deal. The Alliance got a prototype stealth warship by deciding to let old wounds heal and reaching out to the turians. Guess which one paid off more in the long run.

Overall, it is best to sum up what effect it would have had if Shepard had left Cerberus at the start of ME2. It would have taken longer for the Alliance to respond to the Collectors, however the population of the outer Alliance colonies is statistically worthless compared to the main human population. Given that the Collectors only possessed one single ship, it would have only been a matter of time before the Alliance defeated them by weight of superior numbers. The trade off? Humanity would have lost more colonies, but then those colonies would not have been used as cannon fodder by Cerberus. That is actually an acceptable sacrifice (coming from a guy who looks for ways out of sacrifices), as it means Cerberus is not able to split the war effort in ME3.

Frankly, once the Reaper War is over, my Shepard would liked very much to have Miranda and the other heads of Cerberus rounded up for trial. Nothing personal against Miranda, it's just that the amount of innocent people she's bound to have killed or supervised the killing of as TIM's second in command is unacceptable. The victims of Cerberus deserve justice.

[KiwiQuiche]

Neither, since they're both dumbasses.

[Massa FX]

@ OP: It's Alliance for me.

ME1's mad scientist Cerberus missions, ME2's Pragia experiments, ME2's Project Overlord and ME2's introduction to TIM's creepy eyes... yep. I wouldn't join Cerberus based on the first two games experiences.

I didn't want Shepard to work with them in ME2, but had no choice.

[kathic]

I would choose the organization that defeated the Collectors rather than the ones that denied the reapers existed or refused to be competent. Of course I guess that means that when ME3 hit I'd be screwed but ME2 Cerberus was an effective and action oriented group. The Alliance was a bureaucratic failure.

[Xilizhra]

Aside from Collector-based intelligence, I really see no reason whatsoever to side with Cerberus, given that Shepard's Spectre status already makes her more or less immune to red tape. That said, I arguably had more fun in ME2 than I did in other games because of the feeling of freedom I had in it; something about it just struck me as more appealing than being part of the Alliance's chain of command, probably because I find the Alliance painfully generic and boring; Cerberus is many things, but boring was never quite one of them.

But for moral/in-game reasons? No, I don't see any reason to side with Cerberus.