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[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The issue that you lack understanding of the word authorize

Evidently not.

In order for something to be authorized, the ability to do so must already exist.  The atomic bomb wasn't authorized for use until it was built.

Indeed, Tevos would have had to have been authorized after she was told... which implies nothing about the time gap between telling and authorization.

"Tevos here is a top secret reseacrh cache we have hidden from the galxy for milennia and have used solely for our own benefits, now go tell Shepard about it"

That about right?

Something like that.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...


Something like that.

I'm gonna bull on that.  She says herself that it is known only to the highest levels of her government.  she is the freaking councilor for their entire species.  Responsible for representing the asari to the races of the galaxy, trillions of people.

She knew.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Something like that.

I'm gonna bull on that.  She says herself that it is known only to the highest levels of her government.  she is the freaking councilor for their entire species.  Responsible for representing the asari to the races of the galaxy, trillions of people.

She knew.

Sparatus isn't Primarch. Velarn isn't a Dalatrass. The Council is a branch separate from national governments. And her knowing would itself be a security risk.

[billy the squid]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Allow me a few second whilst I school yo' ass. .

Saw a lot of Paragon wishful thinking blather but no "schooling".

I'm waiting...

Ah, you are using the 'can't be bothered coming back with an argument' defence. Yet where was my argument Paragon? I simply pointed out the course of action that capitalises on post-war goodwill amongst species, takes advantage of the general desire for more power sharing and eliminates the need for complicated conspiracies. Simple, efficient, minimum of fuss and less psychopathic than the alternatives. Since it was not a war amongst the species of the galaxy (like the wars between nations in human history), there will be no one looking for revenge, aside from the krogan, who can be easily pacified with a few new worlds and economic investment (the general tone of the ending indicates the krogan are going in a new direction). I fail to see anything Paragon about it. There's no paradise or Utopia, it's just people getting back to their everyday lives.

Yep, the Krogan whom were beaten by the Turians who used the genophage against them, are going to get on so well. While the Salarians, who developed it in the first place are going be equally easy going with the Krogan. 

And allowing the Krogan to expand is going to have no repercussions like it did the first time, sparking a galactic wide war, which took the Turian military to halt while the Turians being the largest military power are going to run the risk of letting that happen again with the Krogan becoming a threat to their dominance. It's incredibly niave. All the War with the Reapers did was weaken the major powers in the galaxy, and open up opportunities for the minor ones, do you really think the Turians are going to give up their position of dominance?

And what makes you think the Volus are in any position to be a council memeber? They can request military aid, as equals.... and when they get told to get stuffed, they're rather stuck. It's precisely the reason they came a client race of the Hierarchy.

While do you honestly think the Alliance is going to be willing to play second fiddle to the Asari in terms of politics anymore?

Some utopian fantasy where everyone gets on again is ridiculous because the old grudges didn't go away. They didn't in the collapse of the Weimar republic, calling into question any support it had at its inception, let alone it's issues with proportional representation which wrecked any political concensus. Much like your idea of the Volus being equal in the council would. While Soviet Union's collapse didn't change the differing power struggles between the US and Russia, which still endure in the UN security council today. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 18 août 2013 - 01:07 .

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Something like that.

I'm gonna bull on that.  She says herself that it is known only to the highest levels of her government.  she is the freaking councilor for their entire species.  Responsible for representing the asari to the races of the galaxy, trillions of people.

She knew.

Sparatus isn't Primarch. Velarn isn't a Dalatrass. The Council is a branch separate from national governments. And her knowing would itself be a security risk.

They are still high ranking memebers.

And I believe Valern's replacement is in fact a dalatrass.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Made Nightwing wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Allow me a few second whilst I school yo' ass. .

Saw a lot of Paragon wishful thinking blather but no "schooling".

I'm waiting...

Ah, you are using the 'can't be bothered coming back with an argument' defence. Yet where was my argument Paragon? I simply pointed out the course of action that capitalises on post-war goodwill amongst species, takes advantage of the general desire for more power sharing and eliminates the need for complicated conspiracies. Simple, efficient, minimum of fuss and less psychopathic than the alternatives. Since it was not a war amongst the species of the galaxy (like the wars between nations in human history), there will be no one looking for revenge, aside from the krogan, who can be easily pacified with a few new worlds and economic investment (the general tone of the ending indicates the krogan are going in a new direction). I fail to see anything Paragon about it. There's no paradise or Utopia, it's just people getting back to their everyday lives.

The problem is that you're definitely oversimplifying the issue here.

It's simple, but it's really not efficient. You're relying on idealism too much here. As far as psychopathic alternatives... again really it is a bit of opinion. You're leaving out the existing bitterness between the Krogan and the Salarians, the Quarians for their treatment over the years, possible resentment towards the Asari and their Prothean tech, the Batarians hating everybody...

You're going to need a strong measure of force to get people in line. Going back to our everyday lives is what the galaxy did after the Battle of the Citadel. It's what the galaxy did after Arrival. Granted, there is no longer a Reaper threat, but there's a lot of questions out there and a lot of bitterness over old wounds and new wounds?

I, in part, encourage some of it, especially the negativity and resentment that would grow towards the alliance and the Council over them doing little against the Reapers to start with. 

Right, we'll argue about this on Xbox, but I will say that you're creating pointless conflict by encouraging it. Capitalise on the general feeling of relief and the following wave of peacetime good will.

Again, you are being a bit oversimplified with the problem. You're looking at it from an idealistic and altruistic perspective, but it's really not one I think is going to be shared. Where's the goodwill going to come from. I really don't agree with Hackett's speech. It's too much wishful thinking that really glosses over the problems that will inevitably be caused by the return of issues that I mentioned in prior posts. I blame that on BW.

That's what I plan on trying to do, but to be honest, it's not going to fly in the longrun - at least, not on it's own. That's one reason my Cerberus is going to exist - they're going to nudge the races into that direction. Obviously I can't call them Cerberus, but they're not going to be much different in principle. One of those differences however will be to coax governments, through hell or high water, that they need to be more unified, and what those benefits can be.

Form new alliances with the new batarian leadership. No race is blameless for ignoring the Reaper threat. Not the turians, not the volus, not the asari, not the salarians, not the humans.

Alliances and treaties between the races, even in a liberal policy method, isn't the way to go. No, what you're going to have to do is transcend the state and get down to the individual, regardless of race. Get them to work as your instruments and change. Be progressive.

Cerberus misrepresented itself and caused a shadow war instead of raising public awareness about the Reapers.

Indoctrination causes that, I know. 

That said, they did try to raise awareness. Nobody listened.

IMO, it's why they had to resort to some of their more extreme methods. I can explain this online.

Don't trick people, help them grow. The galaxy would be in far better shape in the end.

Well, tricking people does help them grow I think. That's what I'm going to be counting on.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Something like that.

I'm gonna bull on that.  She says herself that it is known only to the highest levels of her government.  she is the freaking councilor for their entire species.  Responsible for representing the asari to the races of the galaxy, trillions of people.

She knew.

Sparatus isn't Primarch. Velarn isn't a Dalatrass. The Council is a branch separate from national governments. And her knowing would itself be a security risk.

They are still high ranking memebers.

And I believe Valern's replacement is in fact a dalatrass.

It can happen, but it's not guaranteed. I don't think that Tevos is even a matriarch.

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Not at all. TV tropes has very serious oversight. Anyone who has an issue with what's written can have the issue examined and moderated very carefully.

As I recall, wiki's (even the ME one) work the same way. Don't make a double standard association.

There's no double standard at all. Yes, the software is set up the same way. The difference is TV tropes has a community of very dedicated, through, and reasonable patrons who understand the issues. Wikis aren't going to have that.

And why, pray tell, not?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Not at all. TV tropes has very serious oversight. Anyone who has an issue with what's written can have the issue examined and moderated very carefully.

As I recall, wiki's (even the ME one) work the same way. Don't make a double standard association.

There's no double standard at all. Yes, the software is set up the same way. The difference is TV tropes has a community of very dedicated, through, and reasonable patrons who understand the issues. Wikis aren't going to have that.

Why aren't they going to have that? Isn't that what the community for each wiki is? Or by 'very dedicated, thorough, and reasonable patron' you mean yourself?

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

It can happen, but it's not guaranteed. I don't think that Tevos is even a matriarch.

Based on what?

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It can happen, but it's not guaranteed. I don't think that Tevos is even a matriarch.

Based on what?

Her manner of speech and her general design.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It can happen, but it's not guaranteed. I don't think that Tevos is even a matriarch.

Based on what?

Her manner of speech and her general design.

So nothing.  She is a Councilor, they don't hand that title out to anyone. 

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Not at all. TV tropes has very serious oversight. Anyone who has an issue with what's written can have the issue examined and moderated very carefully.

That's not what you said about TV tropes before you joined the TV tropes community yourself.

In fact, I remember you saying the exact same thing about TV tropes as you said about the Mass Effect wiki right before you joined it to "correct" that "mistake" about Liara having plot armor.

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Why aren't they going to have that? Isn't that what the community for each wiki is? Or by 'very dedicated, thorough, and reasonable patron' you mean yourself?

Well, judged ont the fact that he said the same about TV tropes in the past before he joined it I'm sure he does indeed mean himself.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 18 août 2013 - 03:22 .

[David7204]

I joined TV tropes several years before I joined the BSN.

Obviously as a forum that encourages edits from anyone, TV tropes is going to have mistakes. The difference is mistakes on TV tropes are very likely to be properly addressed when they're brought to light.

If you want to make an edit, by all means, go ahead. If you can attain a consensus that you're right and I'm wrong, my edits go down the drain.

Modifié par David7204, 18 août 2013 - 03:26 .

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

I joined TV tropes several years before I joined the BSN.

Obviously as a forum that encourages edits from anyone, TV tropes is going to have mistakes. The difference is mistakes on TV tropes are very likely to be properly addressed when they're brought to light.

If you want to make an edit, by all means, go ahead. If you can attain a consensus that you're right and I'm wrong, my edits go down the right.

No, you joined in May 2012. Don't lie David. Everyone who was there that day when we talked about Liara's plot armor knows this.

David7204 wrote...

Obviously as a forum that encourages edits from anyone, TV tropes is going to have mistakes. The difference is mistakes on TV tropes are very likely to be properly addressed when they're brought to light. 

If you want to make an edit, by all means, go ahead. If you can attain a consensus that you're right and I'm wrong, my edits go down the drain. 

And it's exactly the same with every other wiki, including the Mass Effect wiki.

Personally I don't give two sh*ts about TV tropes, as TV tropes is based on what the majority thinks, not based on facts. But that's besides the point.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 18 août 2013 - 03:30 .

[David7204]

Here is a documented list of all the recent edits I've made on my TV Tropes account from the TV tropes server itself. By following the dates, you can clearly see it goes back to September 2011. It actually goes back much further, but the list only holds so many entires.

Modifié par David7204, 18 août 2013 - 03:32 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Ah, so you DO play more games than only Mass Effect?

Or are you making edits on the Elder Scrolls and Skyrim pages without even having played the games?

[David7204]

I've played other games. Including Skyrim. I accept your concession of being wrong in the face of documented evidence.

[DarthLaxian]

depends on what i am looking for and when in the series this is (as i don't want to become a glorified husk!) and what my character is sent to do (i would never experiment on children - grown ups maybe, if the possibility of a breakthrough big enough to lift up humanity as a whole (like say stronger biotics or biotics for everyone (it is never stated that biotics can't be produced artificially...it is even implied that this was done to the Asari!) or longer livespans (1000 years for everybody or something)) - if i would be sent to the facility Jack was in...sorry, i would run faster then TIM can say "Stop" (i would not help them do that!)

if i think the Alliance isn't getting things done, then probably Cerberus and only till ME2 ends (after that TIM changes into a braindead monkey on crack and i don't want anything to do with him or his lap-dog Kai "I am soooo cool because i use a Katana and have freaky implants" Leng)

Greetings LAX

[nevar00]

Considering that Cerberus winds up about as threatening as Team Rocket by the end of the series I guess I'm going to go with the Alliance. 

Cerberus could've been a cool gray area group but I think they kinda blew that, even back in ME2.  They shouldn't have used the same name of the group from ME1 in my opinion, to start with.  Otherwise you potentially have some backstory (lone survivor) that makes it basically ridiculous to have any contact with the group, nevermind the inability to confront anyone about it.

[o Ventus]

nevar00 wrote...

Considering that Cerberus winds up about as threatening as Team Rocket by the end of the series I guess I'm going to go with the Alliance. 

Cerberus could've been a cool gray area group but I think they kinda blew that, even back in ME2.  They shouldn't have used the same name of the group from ME1 in my opinion, to start with.  Otherwise you potentially have some backstory (lone survivor) that makes it basically ridiculous to have any contact with the group, nevermind the inability to confront anyone about it.

I don't know, man. Team Rocket kidnaps (Poke-naps?) Pokemon and perform horrible experiments on them, borderline torture. Afterwards, they kill them. Read the original manga.

In terms of what they actually do, it's pretty close to ME3 Cerberus.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Here is a documented list of all the recent edits I've made on my TV Tropes account from the TV tropes server itself. By following the dates, you can clearly see it goes back to September 2011. It actually goes back much further, but the list only holds so many entires.

21st Apr 10:23:10Plot Armor

Taking out your waifu?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Here is a documented list of all the recent edits I've made on my TV Tropes account from the TV tropes server itself. By following the dates, you can clearly see it goes back to September 2011. It actually goes back much further, but the list only holds so many entires.

21st Apr 10:23:10Plot Armor

Taking out your waifu?

Of course not! The messiah would never do something so unheroic!