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[David7204]

Lazarus is not a cure for death.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Cerberus has always been derperus, the only thing keeping people from realizing it is martian sheen's amazing role as jack harper, greatest con artist who could rival Rolan Quarn.

[Steelcan]

A dead man was cured of his death

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

Lazarus is not a cure for death.

Shepard is more or less dead. And if anything, shepard has at minimum suffered brain death by the time anyone comes to collect the body. Ammonia isn't a very good thing to breath in after all, espically after a massive impact of orbital decent.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Lazarus is not a cure for death.

Lets not go down this road again

And stop trying to derail every thread you attack

[David7204]

A young, very healthy man or woman was 'cured' from his or her incredibly specific death with a vast amount of resources and a considerable amount of luck.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

The one thing Cerberus had going for them was that they believed you about the Reapers. That's it. After that, they're an incompetent Bond villain group that's in bed with the enemy. Stuff 'em.

No. I'd rather the alliance and council stuff it. Their incompetence is what makes Cerberus necessary. They were pretty damn competent when I was with them. I, Commander Shepard, thought they were worth following. I think they were to wreckless and overzealous with the tech that they should have known better when using it.

What did they do that was competent that didn't directly involve you? Was it plugging a man into the geth and having him go crazy?

I recall that it was fundamentally succesful. They did plug a man into the Geth and he was able to control them. The way it was accomplished was flawed, but yes it was succesful.

Was it sending a team of scientists to a derelict Reaper and not checking back to see if they hadn't been brainwashed?

Also succesful. The whole team may have died, but knoweldge on the Reapers was gained as well as the Reaper IFF. I'm seeing nothing but successes here.

Or, my personal favourite, getting the first ever cure for death destroyed by rampaging mechs without even bothering to save it?

So a sudden betrayal from within is a failure on the whole for the entire organization? I thought it was just the betrayal from within. Also, succesful. The goal wasn't to cure death for the galaxy. It was to bring one man back from death to fight the Reapers and beat them. It was succesful as I recall.

These are not the activities of an organisation I would trust with the future of humanity.

I wouldn't trust the alliance with future of humanity either. Thankfully, we have Cerberus doing them to ensure our survival. Activities my Shepard will be continuing post-war.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

A young, very healthy man or woman was 'cured' from his or her incredibly specific death with a vast amount of resources and a considerable amount of luck.

.  Was a dead man cured of his case of death?  After extensive oxygen deprivation, atmospheric reentry, and vacuum tempertures.  

But you just handwave actual science for your own headcanon so why bother.

[David7204]

You've forfeited your right to talk about 'science,' Steelcan. Do I need to fetch several of the posts you've made supporting one ridiculous concept or another on a scientific basis?

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2013 - 03:17 .

[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

Lazarus is not a cure for death.

David7204 wrote...

A young, very healthy man or woman was 'cured' from his or her incredibly specific death with a vast amount of resources and a considerable amount of luck.

So, cure for death?

[David7204]

A very expensive and cumbersome cure for death in very specific circumstances, yes.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

You've forfeited your right to talk about 'science,' Steelcan. Do I need to fetch several of the posts you've made supporting one ridiculous concept or another on a scientific basis?

David, you have no standing whatsoever in any argument here to determine whether one has any standing in an agument or not. 

And I recall you reject science if it's not "heroic" or "good characterization".

Sort of how you defend skintight outfits and breather masks in vacuum.

[KaiserShep]

Rebuilding both Shepard and the Normandy are their only major successes that we get to witness. Everything else basically involved Shepard's efforts, even getting the Normandy up to snuff so it can take on a Collector cruiser without suffering casualties.

That said, ME3 Cerberus is a much different animal. At least with Shepard and Miranda at the controls of their best ship, they could at least enjoy successes through them. On their own, they're a mismanaged gaggle of mad scientists. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 16 août 2013 - 03:21 .

[wolfhowwl]

What was the point of the Lazarus Project?

Was killing Shepard just a plot device to move forward 2 years and justify the player working with Cerberus?

Shepard dying was never really explored later. There was the conversation on Cronos Station (Am I just a high-tech VI...) and a cut chat with Ashley about death but that is about it.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 16 août 2013 - 03:21 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

You've forfeited your right to talk about 'science,' Steelcan. Do I need to fetch several of the posts you've made supporting one ridiculous concept or another on a scientific basis?

.  You are simply a moron who thinks oxygen deprivation of brain tissue is no big deal.  And EVERYONE knows just how ridiculous you really are.

Modifié par Steelcan, 16 août 2013 - 03:21 .

[David7204]

wolfhowwl wrote...

What was the point of the Lazarus Project?

Was killing Shepard just a plot device to move forward 2 years and justify the player working with Cerberus?

Shepard dying was never really explored later. There was the conversation on Cronos Station (Am I just a high-tech VI...) and a cut chat with Ashley about death but that is about it.

Nonsense. The falling apart and eventual reunion of the old crew was a result of Shepard's death. Cerberus was a result of Shepard's death. Miranda, Jacob, EDI, Kelly, the Illusive Man are all a result of Shepard's death.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You've forfeited your right to talk about 'science,' Steelcan. Do I need to fetch several of the posts you've made supporting one ridiculous concept or another on a scientific basis?

.  You are simply a moron who thinks oxygen deprivation of brain tissue is no big deal.  And EVERYONE knows just how ridiculous you really are.

Leave Davey alone!!!!

He's a magical heroic white knight sent down from above to save us from our unheroic selves!!!!

[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sort of how you defend skintight outfits and breather masks in vacuum.

As much as you may have deluded yourself otherwise, all but an incredibly miniscule amount of stories go against science and practicality for one reason or another at certain times.

Your argument isn't helped by your ridiculous strawman. Never one have defended the outfits in vacuum as they are. I have defended them against the very double jeopardy of players insisting they were put there to titilate players instead of the childishly obvious and sensible alternative.

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2013 - 03:26 .

[Seboist]

wolfhowwl wrote...

What was the point of the Lazarus Project?

Was killing Shepard just a plot device to move forward 2 years and justify the player working with Cerberus?

Shepard dying was never really explored later. There was the conversation on Cronos Station (Am I just a high-tech VI...) and a cut chat with Ashley about death but that is about it.

Yes, and as a marketting ploy.

[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

A very expensive and cumbersome cure for death in very specific circumstances, yes.

Ah, good. We agree that it was very expensive and cumbersome cure for death, but what about the circumstances? Shepard was described by Jacob as being "meat and tubes" when Shepard was brought to Lazarus station. Is this what you mean by specific circumstances--that Shepard's body was in completely bad shape and very, very dead?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sort of how you defend skintight outfits and breather masks in vacuum.

As much as you may have deluded yourself otherwise, all but an incredibly miniscule amount of stories go against science and practicality for one reason or another at certain times.

Yet you're now deriding Steelcan for being 'unscientific'.

How does that work David?

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Sort of how you defend skintight outfits and breather masks in vacuum.

As much as you may have deluded yourself otherwise, all but an incredibly miniscule amount of stories go against science and practicality for one reason or another at certain times.

ME laughs in the face of science at every opportunity

[garrus and ashley squad]

KaiserShep wrote...

Rebuilding both Shepard and the Normandy are their only major successes that we get to witness. Everything else basically involved Shepard's efforts, even getting the Normandy up to snuff so it can take on a Collector cruiser without suffering casualties.

That said, ME3 Cerberus is a much different animal. At least with Shepard and Miranda at the controls of their best ship, they could at least enjoy successes through them. On their own, they're a mismanaged gaggle of mad scientists. 

I'm leaning more towards this. Although them bringing me back was huge and more than the alliance did, but my shepard pretty much saved them and made both of them succesful. Either way it's picking the better of 2 evils.