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[Iron Fist]

I am one of those "female Qunari love interest" fanboys. My interest is based solely on a few depictions, one in concept art and the other in one of the comics. 

I hate myself for clinging to this idea, but I still really want it. 

Modifié par MevenSelas, 16 août 2013 - 07:01 .

[berelinde]

PsychoticFox wrote...

Not to mention how skeevy I've always found Cullen ships (which is predominantly what I see) because of the power imbalance between Templar and Mage. And a lot of his fans gloss over this (at least as I see it) glaring issue in favor of "twu wuv".

Actually, if you did a little homework, you'd find that most people who identify themselves as Cullen fans - at least those who participate in the fan thread - do NOT ship Cullen/Amell or Cullen/Surana. At all. We just had a discussion about this in the thread the other day, and the general consensus was "OK, the guy had a crush on the mage Warden 10+ years ago. He'd better have gotten over it by now."

Believe me, his fans do not gloss over the templar/mage relationship or romanticize it. The guy was infatuated. It happens. He never did anything about it, so there's no need to hyperventillate.

Not all fans who participate in his thread are interested in a romance, but of those that are, some do want to romance him with their mage protagonists not because they want to play victims to templar power fantasies, but because they are looking forward to a debate as equals. He's a templar with a brain. Of course, he's interesting. You won't find the words "true love" anywhere, by any spelling.

In other words, you may need to calibrate those preconceptions a bit. You're a little off.

[rapscallioness]

PsychoticFox wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I think you're cute, too, ilikesocks

I never knew Cullen was a "fan favorite" and had "rabid fangirls" until I actually entered the Cullen thread and started noticing all the hatred that was spewed towards his fans.

I am probably not active enough online to notice all this supposedly rampant Cullen raging fangirlism. I am on tumblr, a little bit, but perhaps I don't follow any of the insane rabid fangirl blogs.

But since so many people complain about these hoards of raving insane fangirls, I'm such they absolutely must exist.

I don't think you exist in the same corners of the Dragon Age fandom as I do then.

Also it's just one of my little pet-hates when an underdeveloped NPC is plucked from the depths of obscurity and hailed as the best thing since sliced bread. Especially since that NPC is usually, in my experiences, male.

Not to mention how skeevy I've always found Cullen ships (which is predominantly what I see) because of the power imbalance between Templar and Mage. And a lot of his fans gloss over this (at least as I see it) glaring issue in favor of "twu wuv".

If Cullen is a companion in DAI then you can deal w/the glaring issues as you see fit in your game.

If you don't like Cullen that's your business. Just as if Cullen fans wanna ship Cullen w/ a mage, then that's their effin' business. Not yours. If you find it skeevy, gtfo. Why are you lurking around anyway? That's friggin' skeevy.

Most of the Cullen bashing seems to be Cullen fan bashing. Cuz you don't like the character something must wrong w/everybody else that does. No. Cullen fan bashing--calling them "psychotic" and "rabid" as sum have--And continuously posting these ridiculous effin' threads abt it, JasonPogo, is skeevy in the extreme.

I saw your attempt, Jason, at posting a previous Cullen bashing/fan bashing thread shortly before this one. You need to mind your effin' business, Jason. How ppl are enjoying and Rping their game, that they paid for, is not your business.

And if Cullen is in the game then you just have to deal with it. Just as I have to deal w/characters being in the game and companions that I don't like.

Not liking Cullen is one thing. Ppl have valid reasons, imo, for not liking Cullen--from their perspective. But looking down your nose at ppl that do like Cullen and are trying to have fun---is something else entirely.

And so much for this being a general "no returning characters thread".

[PsychoticFox]

berelinde wrote...

PsychoticFox wrote...

Not to mention how skeevy I've always found Cullen ships (which is predominantly what I see) because of the power imbalance between Templar and Mage. And a lot of his fans gloss over this (at least as I see it) glaring issue in favor of "twu wuv".

Actually, if you did a little homework, you'd find that most people who identify themselves as Cullen fans - at least those who participate in the fan thread - do NOT ship Cullen/Amell or Cullen/Surana. At all. We just had a discussion about this in the thread the other day, and the general consensus was "OK, the guy had a crush on the mage Warden 10+ years ago. He'd better have gotten over it by now."

Believe me, his fans do not gloss over the templar/mage relationship or romanticize it. The guy was infatuated. It happens. He never did anything about it, so there's no need to hyperventillate.

Not all fans who participate in his thread are interested in a romance, but of those that are, some do want to romance him with their mage protagonists not because they want to play victims to templar power fantasies, but because they are looking forward to a debate as equals. He's a templar with a brain. Of course, he's interesting. You won't find the words "true love" anywhere, by any spelling.

In other words, you may need to calibrate those preconceptions a bit. You're a little off.

Or perhaps I just don't actually spend time on the BSN and my 'preconceptions' were based on my experiences with a different community (or communities, as it were)?

And truthfully, I just really don't get his appeal. As I said, he's (imo) a random NPC plucked from obscurity and hailed as something awesome. He's also male, which for me, is another reason to dislike him because don't we have enough stock "hot, interesting men with some form of tragic past" running around already? Especially when fandom likes to focus on these men and completely forget that there are more than two female characters worth noticing.

But that's just my thoughts.

If you find it skeevy, gtfo. Why are you lurking around anyway? That's friggin' skeevy.

Because this is an open forum and frankly I have nothing better to do with my time. And it hardly qualifies as "skeevy", especially since I'm not actually invading a Cullen-centric fanspace and talking about my dislike there.

[ilikesocks]

Haha, forget about the "staying in their thread." I am a fan of Cullen, and I shall not be confined. I spread Cullen goodness all over the BSN. 

I love the Cullen thread, not just because of Cullen discussion, but because of the people who post there, as well. Their personalities, they're a fun bunch. I giggle about all the hate thrust at us Cullen 'fangirls/fanboys', and I do so hope he's a companion and LI, just so I can really lulz at the thought of all the people who will ultimately have to see his face in game at some point or another that cannot stand him for some reason. Maybe they'll spontaneously combust from all the "ugh!" 

Hugs for everyone!

[Jessabeth]

My goodness, this appeared to have turned into a bash Cullen fans thread rather than discuss that we wish for no further past companions. O.o
Don't like a character or do, but don't go attacking the fans. That's just inflammatory.

Back on topic, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Velanna again, though I'm not sure I'd want her as a companion. On the one hand it could be interesting considering she was exiled from her clan, so it might make things a little complicated when meeting any Dalish, but on the other, she didn't really strike me as a character they could do too much more with? Idk, I'm conflicted with her. lol

And I wouldn't mind seeing Sten again, though he might consider himself a bit too important to go around as a companion. xD

Modifié par Jessabeth, 16 août 2013 - 07:26 .

[PsychoticFox]

ilikesocks wrote...

 Maybe they'll spontaneously combust from all the "ugh!" 

I think the only reason I would spontaneously combust is if Bioware decided to put all of my least favorite characters in the party for DA3.

I know some people would rejoice for a party consisting solely of Zevran, Fenris, Anders, Cullen, Sebastian, Nathaniel, and Varric... but certainly not me.

I would be perfectly  happy with a party consisting of Cassandra, Leliana, Merrill, Isabela, Morrigan, and Aveline, personally.

[Iron Fist]

Let me break the tension with this list of characters:

Shale (or Shayle Cadash) - companion
Oghren and Felsi - conditional cameo
Leilana - conditional cameo
King Alistair - conditional cameo
Queen Anora - conditional cameo
Loghain - conditional cameo
Sten/Arishok - cameo
Sigrun - companion
Velanna - companion
Fiona - prominent non-companion
Evangeline and Rhys - ?

Modifié par MevenSelas, 16 août 2013 - 07:43 .

[Eveangaline]

I admit, I don't mind returning character companions so long as they're people we met, but didn't have as companions before

[rapscallioness]

PsychoticFox wrote...


And truthfully, I just really don't get his appeal. As I said, he's (imo) a random NPC plucked from obscurity and hailed as something awesome. He's also male, which for me, is another reason to dislike him because don't we have enough stock "hot, interesting men with some form of tragic past" running around already? Especially when fandom likes to focus on these men and completely forget that there are more than two female characters worth noticing.

But that's just my thoughts.

If you find it skeevy, gtfo. Why are you lurking around anyway? That's friggin' skeevy.

Because this is an open forum and frankly I have nothing better to do with my time. And it hardly qualifies as "skeevy", especially since I'm not actually invading a Cullen-centric fanspace and talking about my dislike there.

The bolded: well...okay then. That I can understand. As for the fandom focus, that's not a really unified kinda thing.

For myself, my focus on the hot guy for an LI, prolly stems from me being a straight female. You know, hey. I'm not into chicks for LI's. But I do love and respect my Sisters.

And really the thing w/the Cullen thread---here at least--is as the banner says, "Came for the Cullen. Stayed for the Company." It just so happens I like the Cullen fans here on the BSN. That's one of the main reason I joined the Guild, if you will. We have fun w/Cullen, but truth is we talk abt the game broadly.

As far as the skeevy thing, my opinion is if you do find it uncomfortable, then don't bother yourself with it.

I do however, appreciate you not trolling the Cullen-centric fanspace. Although, if you have nothing better to do w/your time, you're always welcome to come by and just bs speculate w/us abt the World of Thedas in general. Although, we do occasionally squee over Cullen, so that may burn like fire for you, idk.

but..yeah

[parapet60]

After playing DAO and DA2 way too much, I want new characters and little if any of the old. I liked Varric, for a while, but I rarely took him out on tasks. As a narrator he was fine, but as a full companion for DAI, well, when I play the game he will probably just be relegated to the new equivalent of the Hanged Man again. I want to see the old characters in cameos, in order to catch up with them and see where they've been in the meantime, but after 10+ years (game time) by the end of DA2 and maybe longer depending on when DAI takes place, the DAO characters will be aging, meaning the Warden and Alistair may be hitting their 30-year limits. I just want to know what happened to them and their companions, cameos are enough for that. Same for DA2, I just want to know what happened to them after the game ended.

I hope for new characters, and at least some of the humor that had me laughing out loud so often with DA. DAO did this well, DA2 not as well. As for the question of Cullen, he has potential...but as an outside ally rather than as a companion. He will have aged as well and that will take him out of the romanceable category, afaic. I want new romanceables, new characters to learn to love, and a story at least as good as, if not better than, DAO was.

Modifié par parapet60, 16 août 2013 - 07:52 .

[Iosev]

I personally don't mind seeing previous companions return, as long there is either an opportunity to explore more about their character, or a way to help that character evolve over the course of the game. I have my personal favorites of who I would like to see again, but I'm looking forward to see all of the new characters as well.

[o Ventus]

I can understand new characters, but I would rather more characters return as well. Not everyone in Thedas is a super hard-ass. By this point, the available cast of characters is large enough to support the protagonist. Inventing too many new seemingly random characters to fill the unstoppable-warrior-companion role would harm the credibility of any potential threat in Thedas.

[Taleroth]

o Ventus wrote...

Not everyone in Thedas is a super hard-ass.

No, but there should reasonably be a few per nation.
How many of the Kirkwall cast were native to Kirkwall? 1
How many of the Ferelden cast were native to Ferelden? At least 6.
And that's just companions in DAO/DAA. Companions in DA2 included 2-3 new Fereldens.

Now we're going to Orlais. Why does Ferelden get to be so special that Orlais can't have at least 6 people? It only has 1!

Inventing too many new seemingly random characters to fill the unstoppable-warrior-companion role would harm the credibility of any potential threat in Thedas.

That's why the threats shouldn't all happen in the same place, I would think.

Modifié par Taleroth, 16 août 2013 - 08:06 .

[Herr Uhl]

o Ventus wrote...

I can understand new characters, but I would rather more characters return as well. Not everyone in Thedas is a super hard-ass. By this point, the available cast of characters is large enough to support the protagonist. Inventing too many new seemingly random characters to fill the unstoppable-warrior-companion role would harm the credibility of any potential threat in Thedas.

Wouldn't having the same 5-6 people saving the day everywhere in Thedas harm the credibility as to how Thedas still hasn't spontaneously combusted?

[Zack_Nero]

Am happy for new characters too, but if they keep on adding new characters it's going to be hard to keep track of everyone.

[cjones91]

Herr Uhl wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I can understand new characters, but I would rather more characters return as well. Not everyone in Thedas is a super hard-ass. By this point, the available cast of characters is large enough to support the protagonist. Inventing too many new seemingly random characters to fill the unstoppable-warrior-companion role would harm the credibility of any potential threat in Thedas.

Wouldn't having the same 5-6 people saving the day everywhere in Thedas harm the credibility as to how Thedas still hasn't spontaneously combusted?

Not really since those people would have been famous or legendary enough to have people talk about them.If those six people were battle hardened warriors/people with incredible talents then it's only natural people would turn to them where there is trouble.

[berelinde]

PsychoticFox wrote...
He's also male, which for me, is another reason to dislike him because don't we have enough stock "hot, interesting men with some form of tragic past" running around already? Especially when fandom likes to focus on these men and completely forget that there are more than two female characters worth noticing.

And there is is. Privilege.

If it makes you feel any better, I can almost see your point. I tired of the endless Morrigan and Leliana love-fests months ago, but that didn't stop anybody from creating another 7K love threads. And now, the guys are squeeing over Cassandra and Vivienne, and I'm fervently hoping that I don't burn out on them too much to enjoy them in game. I'm already sick of Vivienne, but I'm trying to maintain enthusiasm for Cassandra. And then there's that female elf we saw today in the GI article. I'm sure she'll get her share of squee, too.

So, why all the hate for one guy? At the moment, he and Varric are the only males we've heard anything about at all! 

Maybe you don't like Cullen. Fine. Nobody says you have to like every character in the game. If you want to get technical, we don't even know that Cullen is a companion, or in the game at all! It is possible, but it hasn't been confirmed. But like it or not, the party will not be composed exclusively of curvaceous female companions. Some of them - about half, give or take - will be male, and people are going to want to talk about them.

[Ewlar]

I want to know the fate of companions after DAO and DA2. You can include episodes of the old characters. But the familiar characters as a partner is not necessary. They have their own life.

New game - new heroes.

[Herr Uhl]

cjones91 wrote...

Not really since those people would have been famous or legendary enough to have people talk about them.If those six people were battle hardened warriors/people with incredible talents then it's only natural people would turn to them where there is trouble.

Then who would be a credible threat to them?

[Mr Cloud]

I wouldn't mind side quests with temporary companions, which in that case can be returning ones.

[cjones91]

Herr Uhl wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Not really since those people would have been famous or legendary enough to have people talk about them.If those six people were battle hardened warriors/people with incredible talents then it's only natural people would turn to them where there is trouble.

Then who would be a credible threat to them?

Yeah,that's a problem when you have multiple badasses in on setting because sooner or later they will run out of villians who could challenge them.

[Taleroth]

cjones91 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Not really since those people would have been famous or legendary enough to have people talk about them.If those six people were battle hardened warriors/people with incredible talents then it's only natural people would turn to them where there is trouble.

Then who would be a credible threat to them?

Yeah,that's a problem when you have multiple badasses in on setting because sooner or later they will run out of villians who could challenge them.

Different places, different times.

The heroes of Fereldan can't reasonably run around fighting bad guys in Tevinter. Unless you're going to insist that their entire character is based around just going around and beating bad guys up like superheroes. They have responsibilities and attachments. Alistair, for instance, is a bleeding king. He has no time to run off to Seheron to personally duel evil mages.

And then one day he will get old and die, assuming Bioware does not take the fact that they're also writing comic books to heart.

Modifié par Taleroth, 16 août 2013 - 08:45 .

[Herr Uhl]

cjones91 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Not really since those people would have been famous or legendary enough to have people talk about them.If those six people were battle hardened warriors/people with incredible talents then it's only natural people would turn to them where there is trouble.

Then who would be a credible threat to them?

Yeah,that's a problem when you have multiple badasses in on setting because sooner or later they will run out of villians who could challenge them.

If there are new ones each game, and the devs don't feel the need to one-up themselves in every iteration of the game, that doesn't become an issue.

The only issue is where the characters from previous games ended up after the game in that case. A setting having more "badasses" would also seem more likely to have more "badass villains", would it not? Instead of making a select handful demi-gods and everyone else a mook.