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[Xilizhra]

Armass81 wrote...

I think some of you people should really consider leaving this ending behind you, before it escalates into something like this on ME side too:

http://metro.co.uk/2...family-3925970/

Psycho nerds, we dont need these kind of people here, that go too far.Im not talking to all of you ehre, only the most fanatical, who might have tough something like this. You regognize yourselves... please let it go before the gun goes off.

Given that most of the people who despise all the endings are on the highly moral side, this seems unlikely.

[MegaSovereign]

Br3ad wrote...

It's a desert planet with just a few areas that are actually useful. Why would you even want it unless it was the only place that your species could possibly survive?

It's not really about claiming Rannoch. The Quarians were the most technologically advanced species and they had the biggest fleet. Humanity has less competition now.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

I think some of you people should really consider leaving this ending behind you, before it escalates into something like this on ME side too:

http://metro.co.uk/2...family-3925970/

Psycho nerds, we dont need these kind of people here, that go too far.Im not talking to all of you ehre, only the most fanatical, who might have tough something like this. You regognize yourselves... please let it go before the gun goes off.

Given that most of the people who despise all the endings are on the highly moral side, this seems unlikely.

Maybe people who dislike it for a certain reason (namely atrocious morality in the endings).  I know plenty of renegade players who hate it for other reasons.

[Armass81]

Xilizhra wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

I think some of you people should really consider leaving this ending behind you, before it escalates into something like this on ME side too:

http://metro.co.uk/2...family-3925970/

Psycho nerds, we dont need these kind of people here, that go too far.Im not talking to all of you ehre, only the most fanatical, who might have tough something like this. You regognize yourselves... please let it go before the gun goes off.

Given that most of the people who despise all the endings are on the highly moral side, this seems unlikely.

Lets hope so. You never know about people on the net... death threats to a writer and his family over a damn game, that is not ok.

Modifié par Armass81, 18 août 2013 - 07:31 .

[MegaSovereign]

Xilizhra wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

I think some of you people should really consider leaving this ending behind you, before it escalates into something like this on ME side too:

http://metro.co.uk/2...family-3925970/

Psycho nerds, we dont need these kind of people here, that go too far.Im not talking to all of you ehre, only the most fanatical, who might have tough something like this. You regognize yourselves... please let it go before the gun goes off.

Given that most of the people who despise all the endings are on the highly moral side, this seems unlikely.

"Don't you dare disregard synthetic life! I will murder your family!!!"

Yea, don't see that happening.

[jtav]

Considering that the very first definition I found for organic is "of or relating to an organism, a living entity" saying that only organics are alive is self-evident. The question here is what do we do with an entity that is not alive (geth are made of atoms not cells) but whose capacity for rational thought equals organics?

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

I think some of you people should really consider leaving this ending behind you, before it escalates into something like this on ME side too:

http://metro.co.uk/2...family-3925970/

Psycho nerds, we dont need these kind of people here, that go too far.Im not talking to all of you ehre, only the most fanatical, who might have tough something like this. You regognize yourselves... please let it go before the gun goes off.

Given that most of the people who despise all the endings are on the highly moral side, this seems unlikely.

Maybe people who dislike it for a certain reason (namely atrocious morality in the endings).  I know plenty of renegade players who hate it for other reasons.

Well, they may be more likely to go psycho, fair enough.

Considering that the very first
definition I found for organic is "of or relating to an organism, a
living entity" saying that only organics are alive is self-evident. The
question here is what do we do with an entity that is not alive (geth
are made of atoms not cells) but whose capacity for rational thought
equals organics?

Treat them in the same way that we do organics who also have capacity for rational thought, of course.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 18 août 2013 - 07:23 .

[Steelcan]

jtav wrote...
(geth are made of atoms not cells)

Cells are made of atoms

[Br3admax]

Fandango9641 wrote...


I know what xenophobia means simple lad - do you?

Xenophobia is the irrational or unreasoned fear of that which is percieved to be foreign. While saying that they are not alive may be prejudice, maybe, it is not xenophobic. There is not hate and there is no fear. I guess you just forgot the actual "phoia" in xeno"phobia." Using it as racism or prejudice is not how the word is supposed to be used. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 18 août 2013 - 07:27 .

[Br3admax]

Geth are humans too? Really? At this point, there is really no reason to continue this discussion.

Modifié par Br3ad, 18 août 2013 - 07:41 .

[Steelcan]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...


I know what xenophobia means simple lad - do you?

Xenophobia is the irrational or unreasoned fear of that which is percieved to be foreign. While saying that they are not alive may be prejudice, maybe, it is not xenophobic. There is not hate and there is no fear. I guess you just forgot the actual "phoia" in xeno"phobia." Using it as racism or prejudice is not how the word is supposed to be used. 

Nope. Dehumanisation is specific type of Xenophobia and - within the context of this conversation - denying the humanness of the Geth is to deny their rights to be considered a divergent form of life. Right? But replace the word xenophobia with prejudicial or racist by all means - both fit every bit as 'well'.

The geth by their very nature cannot be held to the same standards as organics.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...


I know what xenophobia means simple lad - do you?

Xenophobia is the irrational or unreasoned fear of that which is percieved to be foreign. While saying that they are not alive may be prejudice, maybe, it is not xenophobic. There is not hate and there is no fear. I guess you just forgot the actual "phoia" in xeno"phobia." Using it as racism or prejudice is not how the word is supposed to be used. 

Nope. Dehumanisation is specific type of Xenophobia and - within the context of this conversation - denying the humanness of the Geth is to deny their rights to be considered a divergent form of life. Right? But replace the word xenophobia with prejudicial or racist by all means - both fit every bit as 'well'.

The geth by their very nature cannot be held to the same standards as organics.

Irrelevant, as a lot of elementary concerns, like self-preservation, are identical to that of organics.

[Obadiah]

Steelcan wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...


I know what xenophobia means simple lad - do you?

Xenophobia is the irrational or unreasoned fear of that which is percieved to be foreign. While saying that they are not alive may be prejudice, maybe, it is not xenophobic. There is not hate and there is no fear. I guess you just forgot the actual "phoia" in xeno"phobia." Using it as racism or prejudice is not how the word is supposed to be used. 

Nope. Dehumanisation is specific type of Xenophobia and - within the context of this conversation - denying the humanness of the Geth is to deny their rights to be considered a divergent form of life. Right? But replace the word xenophobia with prejudicial or racist by all means - both fit every bit as 'well'.

The geth by their very nature cannot be held to the same standards as organics.

I'm not sure why that would be true. Standards are used to judge. Just because the Geth are a different form of life doesn't mean they can't be held to the same standards. If all beings aren't held to it, then you're just arbitarily discriminating for or against some.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Irrelevant, as a lot of elementary concerns, like self-preservation, are identical to that of organics.

When humans are a networked intellignce that grows more intelligent through numbers and is capable of eradicating the concept of "I" for "we" then you will have an argument.

And almost all life has a self-preservation instinct, but we don't classify dogs as people.

Modifié par Steelcan, 18 août 2013 - 07:56 .

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Irrelevant, as a lot of elementary concerns, like self-preservation, are identical to that of organics.

When humans are a networked intellignce that grows more intelligent through numbers and is capable of eradicating the concept of "I" for "we" then you will have an argument.

All that changes is how important the collective is vs. the self. Relatively minor.

[Steelcan]

Obadiah wrote...

I'm not sure why that would be true. Standards are used to judge. Just because the Geth are a different form of life doesn't mean they can't be held to the same standards. If all beings aren't held to it, then you're just arbitarily discriminating for or against some.

Holding a geth intelligence or EDI to the same standard as an organic would be a hinderence to them.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Irrelevant, as a lot of elementary concerns, like self-preservation, are identical to that of organics.

When humans are a networked intellignce that grows more intelligent through numbers and is capable of eradicating the concept of "I" for "we" then you will have an argument.

All that changes is how important the collective is vs. the self. Relatively minor.

There's also the whole idea of collective intelligence that comes with it

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Irrelevant, as a lot of elementary concerns, like self-preservation, are identical to that of organics.

When humans are a networked intellignce that grows more intelligent through numbers and is capable of eradicating the concept of "I" for "we" then you will have an argument.

All that changes is how important the collective is vs. the self. Relatively minor.

There's also the whole idea of collective intelligence that comes with it

Again, not that important when you're dealing with questions of genocide.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Irrelevant, as a lot of elementary concerns, like self-preservation, are identical to that of organics.

When humans are a networked intellignce that grows more intelligent through numbers and is capable of eradicating the concept of "I" for "we" then you will have an argument.

All that changes is how important the collective is vs. the self. Relatively minor.

There's also the whole idea of collective intelligence that comes with it

Again, not that important when you're dealing with questions of genocide.

.  One geth unitwithout upgrades is not intelligent.  One human is intelligent by itself.  The two are not comparable.

[Xilizhra]

. One geth unitwithout upgrades is not intelligent. One human is intelligent by itself. The two are not comparable.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't wipe out whole species when you don't have to.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

. One geth unitwithout upgrades is not intelligent. One human is intelligent by itself. The two are not comparable.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't wipe out whole species when you don't have to.

It was either them or the quarians.  I didn't do it for laughs.