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[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

. One geth unitwithout upgrades is not intelligent. One human is intelligent by itself. The two are not comparable.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't wipe out whole species when you don't have to.

It was either them or the quarians.  I didn't do it for laughs.

You clearly screwed up at some point.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

. One geth unitwithout upgrades is not intelligent. One human is intelligent by itself. The two are not comparable.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't wipe out whole species when you don't have to.

It was either them or the quarians.  I didn't do it for laughs.

You clearly screwed up at some point.

I don't think so.  I got a nice big paycheck and Cerberus got a fancy new geth to research.  Win-win.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

. One geth unitwithout upgrades is not intelligent. One human is intelligent by itself. The two are not comparable.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't wipe out whole species when you don't have to.

It was either them or the quarians.  I didn't do it for laughs.

You clearly screwed up at some point.

I don't think so.  I got a nice big paycheck and Cerberus got a fancy new geth to research.  Win-win.

You're not good at prioritizing, it seems.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

. One geth unitwithout upgrades is not intelligent. One human is intelligent by itself. The two are not comparable.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't wipe out whole species when you don't have to.

It was either them or the quarians.  I didn't do it for laughs.

You clearly screwed up at some point.

I don't think so.  I got a nice big paycheck and Cerberus got a fancy new geth to research.  Win-win.

You're not good at prioritizing, it seems.

Giving humanity another weapon to fight the Reapers is a priority.  Talking with a single geth is not.

[Xilizhra]

Ironic that you'd only get the first by doing the second.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ironic that you'd only get the first by doing the second.

Indicative of nothing but BioWare's paragon bias.  I still believe that it was the right decision.

[jtav]

That's because there's a strong Paragon bias in the series. IRL, I'd sell the geth.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ironic that you'd only get the first by doing the second.

Indicative of nothing but BioWare's paragon bias.  I still believe that it was the right decision.

Sadly, I have no response to this that could be considered polite.

That's because there's a strong Paragon bias in the series. IRL, I'd sell the geth.

Oh, come on. It's a blatantly stupid option and voluntarily waiving a heretofore unimagined opportunity.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 18 août 2013 - 08:28 .

[AlanC9]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

. One geth unitwithout upgrades is not intelligent. One human is intelligent by itself. The two are not comparable.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't wipe out whole species when you don't have to.

It was either them or the quarians.  I didn't do it for laughs.

You clearly screwed up at some point.

I don't think so.  I got a nice big paycheck and Cerberus got a fancy new geth to research.  Win-win.

You're not good at prioritizing, it seems.

I don't think it's fair to expect Shepard to prioritize based on future events. He's got no way of knowing that sending Legion for study = no peace at Rannoch.

And the player, of course, can metagame whatever he pleases.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ironic that you'd only get the first by doing the second.

Indicative of nothing but BioWare's paragon bias.  I still believe that it was the right decision.

Sadly, I have no response to this that could be considered polite.

That's because there's a strong Paragon bias in the series. IRL, I'd sell the geth.

Oh, come on. It's a blatantly stupid option and voluntarily waiving a heretofore unimagined opportunity.

My point exactly

[Xilizhra]

I don't think it's fair to expect Shepard to prioritize based on future events. He's got no way of knowing that sending Legion for study = no peace at Rannoch.

Turning down a priceless diplomatic first contact opportunity for cash is idiocy, plain and simple.

[AlanC9]

Br3ad wrote...

Geth are humans too? Really? At this point, there is really no reason to continue this discussion.

They have human rights, don't they? Or if they don't, then why would asari or turians have those rights?

Or maybe they don't either?

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think it's fair to expect Shepard to prioritize based on future events. He's got no way of knowing that sending Legion for study = no peace at Rannoch.

Turning down a priceless diplomatic first contact opportunity for cash is idiocy, plain and simple.

Implying that cash is the only motivation.  Its a technological marvel that could have massive effects on humanity's own technological advancement.

[AlanC9]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think it's fair to expect Shepard to prioritize based on future events. He's got no way of knowing that sending Legion for study = no peace at Rannoch.

Turning down a priceless diplomatic first contact opportunity for cash is idiocy, plain and simple.

It's not quite idiocy if he thinks that the geth are completely opposed to interaction with organics. Just a very bad premise.

[Steelcan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Geth are humans too? Really? At this point, there is really no reason to continue this discussion.

They have human rights, don't they? Or if they don't, then why would asari or turians have those rights?

Or maybe they don't either?

Turians and Asari have similar limitations as humans.  Geth do not.  Its not a human/geth split as much an organic/synthetic split

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think it's fair to expect Shepard to prioritize based on future events. He's got no way of knowing that sending Legion for study = no peace at Rannoch.

Turning down a priceless diplomatic first contact opportunity for cash is idiocy, plain and simple.

Implying that cash is the only motivation.  Its a technological marvel that could have massive effects on humanity's own technological advancement.

How? It's not like Cerberus couldn't build its own intact geth with geth parts if it tried, as demonstrated quite well in Tali's loyalty mission.

It's not quite idiocy if he thinks that the geth are completely opposed to interaction with organics. Just a very bad premise.

Assuming that it's universal specieswide is pretty much idiocy.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 18 août 2013 - 08:36 .

[AlanC9]

Steelcan wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Geth are humans too? Really? At this point, there is really no reason to continue this discussion.

They have human rights, don't they? Or if they don't, then why would asari or turians have those rights?

Or maybe they don't either?

Turians and Asari have similar limitations as humans.  Geth do not.  Its not a human/geth split as much an organic/synthetic split

So synthetics don't have rights because reasons.

OK. What reasons? What's the actual argument?

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 août 2013 - 08:36 .

[Ruadh]

'The last 300 years, we slaughtered every organic that got close, but we only wanted peace. Honest.' - Legion

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think it's fair to expect Shepard to prioritize based on future events. He's got no way of knowing that sending Legion for study = no peace at Rannoch.

Turning down a priceless diplomatic first contact opportunity for cash is idiocy, plain and simple.

Implying that cash is the only motivation.  Its a technological marvel that could have massive effects on humanity's own technological advancement.

How? It's not like Cerberus couldn't build its own intact geth with geth parts if it tried, as demonstrated quite well in Tali's loyalty mission.

.  they could still uncover numerous technological break throughs in not just engineering, but cyber warfare

[Br3admax]

Or we could continue the discussion. That works too, I guess.

[Steelcan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Geth are humans too? Really? At this point, there is really no reason to continue this discussion.

They have human rights, don't they? Or if they don't, then why would asari or turians have those rights?

Or maybe they don't either?

Turians and Asari have similar limitations as humans.  Geth do not.  Its not a human/geth split as much an organic/synthetic split

So synthetics don't have rights because reasons.

OK. What reasons? What's the actual argument?

I never said they don't deserve rights, I said that giving them the same rights as a human is wrong.

[Xilizhra]

. they could still uncover numerous technological break throughs in not just engineering, but cyber warfare

If it's hardware, you can get that by analyzing the parts. If it's information, you can get that off of a living geth.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

. they could still uncover numerous technological break throughs in not just engineering, but cyber warfare

If it's hardware, you can get that by analyzing the parts. If it's information, you can get that off of a living geth.

If I shoot my computer I can't analyze what its like when running.

The geth have so far been unwilling to talk with organics.

[KaiserShep]

jtav wrote...

It doesn't have a soul. It's no more alive than the enemy AI in the game. AI can only ever simulate life.

As one who denies the existence of such a thing, that kind of makes the question of whether or not a synthetic possesses one somewhat irrelevant for some. 

And while I'm at it, we're alone in the universe and we;re not leaving the solar system.

No one on earth knows this for certain. 

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

. they could still uncover numerous technological break throughs in not just engineering, but cyber warfare

If it's hardware, you can get that by analyzing the parts. If it's information, you can get that off of a living geth.

If I shoot my computer I can't analyze what its like when running.

The geth have so far been unwilling to talk with organics.

And this one saved your life. Additionally, the geth aren't too hard to put back together.